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Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps in the
low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low 50s. I waited
until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since April was just way too
cold. This tiome of year the days should be mid 80s and nights around low
60s. So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. Now they have all begun to yellow. All of them are
distinctly yellow at this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not
grown like they usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is
just too cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits salvageable or
should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal growing season is
pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine by the time August roles
around I won't have any at all. So this is a hard call for me to make. If
there is hope for them I can wait otherwise I have to replant and now.




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On 6/1/11 3:23 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps in the
low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low 50s. I waited
until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since April was just way too
cold. This tiome of year the days should be mid 80s and nights around low
60s. So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. Now they have all begun to yellow. All of them are
distinctly yellow at this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not
grown like they usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is
just too cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits salvageable or
should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal growing season is
pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine by the time August roles
around I won't have any at all. So this is a hard call for me to make. If
there is hope for them I can wait otherwise I have to replant and now.


Are you in a coastal area? Where I live (near Thousand Oaks), May had
10 Days with temperatures at or above 80, reaching 94 on 5 May. We had
18 nights at 50 or above, when tomatoes will set fruit.

In my neighborhood, May has an average nighttime low of 53 and an
average daytime high of 78. Our nights and days this May were
definitely cooler than average.

We did have 0.39 inchs of rain, which is quite a lot for May in southern
California. It's possible that your cucurbits got too much water.

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On 6/1/11 3:23 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps in the
low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low 50s. I
waited
until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since April was just way too
cold. This tiome of year the days should be mid 80s and nights around
low
60s. So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. Now they have all begun to yellow. All of them are
distinctly yellow at this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not
grown like they usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is
just too cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great
but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits salvageable
or
should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal growing season is
pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine by the time August roles
around I won't have any at all. So this is a hard call for me to make.
If
there is hope for them I can wait otherwise I have to replant and now.


Are you in a coastal area? Where I live (near Thousand Oaks), May had
10 Days with temperatures at or above 80, reaching 94 on 5 May. We had
18 nights at 50 or above, when tomatoes will set fruit.

In my neighborhood, May has an average nighttime low of 53 and an
average daytime high of 78. Our nights and days this May were
definitely cooler than average.

We did have 0.39 inchs of rain, which is quite a lot for May in southern
California. It's possible that your cucurbits got too much water.


I'm zone 9B. So too much water will stunt them and turn them yellow? Are
they salvageable or are they dying? I have not watered them but 2 times in
10 days.

Paul


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On Jun 1, 3:23*pm, "Paul M. Cook" wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. *May saw day temps in the
low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low 50s. *I waited
until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since April was just way too
cold. *This tiome of year the days should be mid 80s and nights around low
60s.


Yup, it's FUBAR. Freezing today, with strong wind. Good only for
drying clothes.
And they say Global Warming is a myth! I've been watching this
weather (So Calif coastal) for [censored] years, and I'm here to tell
you this is NOT normal!
May/Gray and June/Gloom are familiar phenomena, but not this COLD!

*So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. *All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. *Now they have all begun to yellow. *All of them are
distinctly yellow at this point, actually. *And the cotyledons have not
grown like they usually do, they are still quite small. *I am sure it is
just too cool for them. *The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great but
they are doing something. *


Mine have plenty tomatoes on board; keep my fingers crossed.

My question is are the cucurbits salvageable or
should I plan on starting all over again? *The SoCal growing season is
pretty short. *


WHAAATTT???!!! Whachewtallkinbout! I grow all year. Just rotate the
crops according to the season.

If I don't have fruit on the vine by the time August roles (rolls)
around I won't have any at all. *So this is a hard call for me to make. *If
there is hope for them I can wait otherwise I have to replant and now.


I'm just putting melon seeds in now. But that's because I'm good at
putting off clearing the ground for new crops.

HB

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Paul M. Cook wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps in
the low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low
50s. I waited until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since
April was just way too cold. This tiome of year the days should be
mid 80s and nights around low 60s. So far my cucurbits have
completely stalled out. All of them, the zukes, the cukes and the
melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny first leaves. Now
they have all begun to yellow. All of them are distinctly yellow at
this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not grown like they
usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is just too
cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits
salvageable or should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal
growing season is pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine by
the time August roles around I won't have any at all. So this is a
hard call for me to make. If there is hope for them I can wait
otherwise I have to replant and now.


Make a plastic cover for the plants - a cloche. That will help a lot, and is how
early gardeners here in seattle get started.




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On 6/1/11 7:45 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
"David E. Ross" wrote in message
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On 6/1/11 3:23 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps in the
low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low 50s. I
waited
until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since April was just way too
cold. This tiome of year the days should be mid 80s and nights around
low
60s. So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. Now they have all begun to yellow. All of them are
distinctly yellow at this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not
grown like they usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is
just too cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great
but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits salvageable
or
should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal growing season is
pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine by the time August roles
around I won't have any at all. So this is a hard call for me to make.
If
there is hope for them I can wait otherwise I have to replant and now.


Are you in a coastal area? Where I live (near Thousand Oaks), May had
10 Days with temperatures at or above 80, reaching 94 on 5 May. We had
18 nights at 50 or above, when tomatoes will set fruit.

In my neighborhood, May has an average nighttime low of 53 and an
average daytime high of 78. Our nights and days this May were
definitely cooler than average.

We did have 0.39 inchs of rain, which is quite a lot for May in southern
California. It's possible that your cucurbits got too much water.


I'm zone 9B. So too much water will stunt them and turn them yellow? Are
they salvageable or are they dying? I have not watered them but 2 times in
10 days.

Paul



It's been too many years since I had a vegetable garden, so I can't be
sure of what you should do. Yellowing is often a sign of root rot cause
by excessive water. I don't think you can undo the damage by allowing
the soil to dry somewhat.

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Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary
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On 6/2/11 7:32 AM, Bob F wrote:
Paul M. Cook wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps in
the low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low
50s. I waited until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since
April was just way too cold. This tiome of year the days should be
mid 80s and nights around low 60s. So far my cucurbits have
completely stalled out. All of them, the zukes, the cukes and the
melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny first leaves. Now
they have all begun to yellow. All of them are distinctly yellow at
this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not grown like they
usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is just too
cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits
salvageable or should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal
growing season is pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine by
the time August roles around I won't have any at all. So this is a
hard call for me to make. If there is hope for them I can wait
otherwise I have to replant and now.


Make a plastic cover for the plants - a cloche. That will help a lot, and is how
early gardeners here in seattle get started.



Do that, and the first sunny day will give you cooked vegetables.

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Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary
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On 6/1/11 8:03 PM, Higgs Boson wrote [in part]:
On Jun 1, 3:23 pm, "Paul M. Cook" wrote [also in part]:

My question is are the cucurbits salvageable or
should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal growing season is
pretty short.


WHAAATTT???!!! Whachewtallkinbout! I grow all year. Just rotate the
crops according to the season.


Oops! I missed this.

HB is very correct. Produce is grown on the Oxnard Plain (about 50
miles from downtown Los Angeles) year round, merely adjusting what is
grown by the expected amount of heat and cold.

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"David E. Ross" wrote in message
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On 6/1/11 8:03 PM, Higgs Boson wrote [in part]:
On Jun 1, 3:23 pm, "Paul M. Cook" wrote [also in part]:

My question is are the cucurbits salvageable or
should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal growing season is
pretty short.


WHAAATTT???!!! Whachewtallkinbout! I grow all year. Just rotate the
crops according to the season.


Oops! I missed this.

HB is very correct. Produce is grown on the Oxnard Plain (about 50
miles from downtown Los Angeles) year round, merely adjusting what is
grown by the expected amount of heat and cold.


I should have saidd short season for what I grow.

Anyway, I yanked them all. I'll start over again. This time I'm using a
dwarf melon called Minnesota Midget for the chilly SoCal summer weather.
Hopefully the weather will be more agreeable to this next attempt. No sign
of root rot. Just very yellow stunted plants.

Paul



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David E. Ross wrote:
On 6/2/11 7:32 AM, Bob F wrote:
Paul M. Cook wrote:
Weather here in SoCal has been freakishly cool. May saw day temps
in the low 70s, many days of cloudy skies and nights in the very low
50s. I waited until May 1st to get everyone in the ground since
April was just way too cold. This tiome of year the days should be
mid 80s and nights around low 60s. So far my cucurbits have
completely stalled out. All of them, the zukes, the cukes and the
melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny first leaves. Now
they have all begun to yellow. All of them are distinctly yellow at
this point, actually. And the cotyledons have not grown like they
usually do, they are still quite small. I am sure it is just too
cool for them. The four tomatoe varieties are not doing great but
they are doing something. My question is are the cucurbits
salvageable or should I plan on starting all over again? The SoCal
growing season is pretty short. If I don't have fruit on the vine
by the time August roles around I won't have any at all. So this
is a hard call for me to make. If there is hope for them I can wait
otherwise I have to replant and now.


Make a plastic cover for the plants - a cloche. That will help a
lot, and is how early gardeners here in seattle get started.



Do that, and the first sunny day will give you cooked vegetables.


People do it all the time.




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On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:23:42 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
60s. So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. Now they have all begun to yellow. All of them are


Replant the cucurbits -- if they're still with cotyledons, you can get
new seedlings to that stage in a week.

We're having Junuary up here near Portland again this year. 42oF when I got
up this morning; doesn't feel like it's made 55 today. I think we've broken
70o once this year.


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On Wed, 1 Jun 2011 15:23:42 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
60s. So far my cucurbits have completely stalled out. All of them, the
zukes, the cukes and the melon are still just cotyledons with very tiny
first leaves. Now they have all begun to yellow. All of them are


Replant the cucurbits -- if they're still with cotyledons, you can get
new seedlings to that stage in a week.

We're having Junuary up here near Portland again this year. 42oF when I got
up this morning; doesn't feel like it's made 55 today. I think we've broken
70o once this year.


http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article...609902/1350?Ti
tle=Weather-interfering-with-grape-pollination
Weather interfering with grape pollination

The late-season downpour hitting Northern California is threatening to
devastate this year's grape crop, making it potentially the third
weather event in the last four years to wreak havoc on vineyards.
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