I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune trees are
caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few pounds of epson salts
under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.

What kind of store wound I go to for a good price on 50 or 100 lb bags of epson
salt?

Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune
trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few
pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency cause leaf
yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide a photo?

What kind of store wound I go to for a good price on 50 or 100 lb
bags of epson salt?

A few pounds per tree seems quite excessive to me, this is a trace element
not a major nutrient. If you over-do it you won't have a problem with
curling leaves 'cause you wont have any leaves at all. Another problem is
that epson salts is very soluble and unless it binds to humus or clay
colloids it will leach out quickly.

Here is another method that may be work if it is Mg deficiency. Treat some
(or all) trees with a foliar spray of epson salts, possibly repeated in a
week, if it is Mg deficiency they will recover quite quickly, that is within
weeks. For the longer term treat with dolomite which will slow release Mg
over time.

Another possibility is that the soil is very acid which tends to lock up
some minerals like Mg so liming or adding dolomite will raise the pH and
release Mg. A dye-indicator to test pH is cheap and sufficiently accurate
for gardening and can be used in many situations.

David

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune trees
are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few pounds of
epson salts under each tree.

Your search might be easier if you looked for it using the correct name
which is 'Epsom salts'. It is named after the town of Epsom in the UK.

I would be extremely suspicious of taking any advice to use that amount of
Epsom salts under any tree.

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:36:02 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote:

I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune trees are
caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few pounds of epson salts
under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.

What kind of store wound I go to for a good price on 50 or 100 lb bags of epson
salt?

For bulk epsom salt you will pay between $1-$1.50/pound... my local
Walmart has 1 pound containers for $1. Amazon.com sells 20 pound
containers for $20 but then there's shipping. The San Fransico Salt
Company sells bulk at wholesale but you need to phone them for rates.
http://www.sfbsc.com/wholesale-bath-salt-manufacturing
I wouldn't use epsom salt for gardening purposes, check further about
plum tree + magnesium deficiency, sounds like BS to me... some web
sites say yea, some nay, none give details so it's a crap shoot...
you'd do better to literally add bull shit.... instead of a truckload
of salts invest in a composter.

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune
trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few
pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide a
photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/


What kind of store wound I go to for a good price on 50 or 100 lb
bags of epson salt?

A few pounds per tree seems quite excessive to me, this is a trace
element not a major nutrient. If you over-do it you won't have a
problem with curling leaves 'cause you wont have any leaves at all. Another
problem is that epson salts is very soluble and unless it
binds to humus or clay colloids it will leach out quickly.

Here is another method that may be work if it is Mg deficiency. Treat some (or
all) trees with a foliar spray of epson salts,
possibly repeated in a week, if it is Mg deficiency they will recover
quite quickly, that is within weeks. For the longer term treat with
dolomite which will slow release Mg over time.

Another possibility is that the soil is very acid which tends to lock
up some minerals like Mg so liming or adding dolomite will raise the
pH and release Mg. A dye-indicator to test pH is cheap and
sufficiently accurate for gardening and can be used in many
situations.
Acid soil is common here in Seattle I believe, and it's been a long time since I
limed the lawn, so maybe that's a better idea

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FarmI wrote:
"Bob F" wrote in message
...
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune
trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few
pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Your search might be easier if you looked for it using the correct
name which is 'Epsom salts'. It is named after the town of Epsom in
the UK.
I would be extremely suspicious of taking any advice to use that
amount of Epsom salts under any tree.

Thanks for both comments. Maybe that explains all the ink cartridges I found in
my search. Ooops!

On 10/7/11 7:12 AM, Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune
trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few
pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide a
photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/


What kind of store wound I go to for a good price on 50 or 100 lb
bags of epson salt?

A few pounds per tree seems quite excessive to me, this is a trace
element not a major nutrient. If you over-do it you won't have a
problem with curling leaves 'cause you wont have any leaves at all. Another
problem is that epson salts is very soluble and unless it
binds to humus or clay colloids it will leach out quickly.

Here is another method that may be work if it is Mg deficiency. Treat some (or
all) trees with a foliar spray of epson salts,
possibly repeated in a week, if it is Mg deficiency they will recover
quite quickly, that is within weeks. For the longer term treat with
dolomite which will slow release Mg over time.

Another possibility is that the soil is very acid which tends to lock
up some minerals like Mg so liming or adding dolomite will raise the
pH and release Mg. A dye-indicator to test pH is cheap and
sufficiently accurate for gardening and can be used in many
situations.
Acid soil is common here in Seattle I believe, and it's been a long time since I
limed the lawn, so maybe that's a better idea

Epsom salts are acidic -- magnesium sulfate. If acidic soil is your
problem, this will only make it worse.

In any case, insufficient magnesium in the soil requires only a small
dose to correct. I put about 2 tabslespoonsful around each rose bush in
my garden only once a year. For roses, magnesium promotes the sprouting
of new canes. I corrected chlorosis in an Australian tea tree
(Leptospermum laevigatum) with a half-handful of Epsom salts without
ever repeating the dose; I merely continue to feed the tea tree with
acidic fertilizer (ammonium sulfate).

I buy Epsom salts at a local drug store. A small carton (about the size
of a half-pint of milk) lasts several years.

--
David E. Ross
Climate: California Mediterranean, see
http://www.rossde.com/garden/climate.html
Gardening diary at http://www.rossde.com/garden/diary

On Oct 6, 4:36*pm, "Bob F" wrote:


...I should apply a few pounds of epson salts
under each tree.


Don't do it!

Location is Seattle.

There are so many misdiagnosed problems associated w/ Mg, especially
here in the PNW. These guys are there to help, use em: WSU Master
Gardener Program, Seattle,
http://county.wsu.edu/king/gardening.../e-clinic.aspx

Here is the general info you should read before talking to them:

http://www.puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda%2...om%20salts.pdf

More WSU info on nutrient sprays:

http://www.tfrec.wsu.edu/Horticulture/nutspray.html

PNW Fruit trees:
http://cru.cahe.wsu.edu/cepublicatio...e/pnw0121e.pdf

Gotta argee w/ David, 1/2 gal should do most garden for a season or
two. a dollar two ninety eight at the RiteAid store or any drug
store.

What kind of store wound I go to for a good price on 50 or 100 lb bags of epson
salt?

The internet can get you sources for 25-50 lb bags if you still feel
the need.

Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian prune
trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply a few
pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide a
photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/



I got a login screen and I don't have an account.

D

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian
prune trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply
a few pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide a
photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/



I got a login screen and I don't have an account.

It's the first time I tried it. I'll try to figure out the problem.

In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian
prune trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply
a few pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide a
photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/



I got a login screen and I don't have an account.

It's the first time I tried it. I'll try to figure out the problem.

Just change the privacy settings for the photo.

Amos Nomore wrote:
In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian
prune trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply
a few pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide
a photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/



I got a login screen and I don't have an account.

It's the first time I tried it. I'll try to figure out the problem.

Just change the privacy settings for the photo.

OK - settings changed. Can anyone see it now?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/

In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

Amos Nomore wrote:
In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian
prune trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should apply
a few pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide
a photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/



I got a login screen and I don't have an account.

It's the first time I tried it. I'll try to figure out the problem.

Just change the privacy settings for the photo.

OK - settings changed. Can anyone see it now?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/

Yes. Have you ruled-out aphids and whiteflies, etc.?

Bob F wrote:
Amos Nomore wrote:
In article , "Bob F"
wrote:

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
David Hare-Scott wrote:
Bob F wrote:
I've just been told that the curled under leaves on my italian
prune trees are caused by magnesiom deficiency and I should
apply a few pounds of epson salts under each tree.

Is the diagnosis likely to be accurate? Location is Seattle.


I don't know about leaves curling, I thought magnesium deficiency
cause leaf yellowing especially in older leaves. Can you provide
a photo?

Photo here (I hope)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/



I got a login screen and I don't have an account.

It's the first time I tried it. I'll try to figure out the problem.

Just change the privacy settings for the photo.

OK - settings changed. Can anyone see it now?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68364065@N07/6220401824/

Yes. I doubt even more that it is magnesium deficiency but I cannot help
with what it is.

D