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21-06-2003, 09:32 PM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:59:26 -0400, Gary Hancock
wrote: All are individually owned domains and the administrator is www.sellsonic.com "Sellsonic builds and operates a suite of managed business services that enable established retailers, distributors and manufacturers to sell more products to more end-customers with less effort and greater profitability." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.awbrown.com http://www.bayportflower.com http://www.berkshirenursery.com http://www.chnursery.com http://www.countrygardensinc.com http://www.cousinsgardencenter.com http://www.daysgarden.com http://www.forthillnursery.com http://www.gardenist.com http://www.gloriasgardencenter.com http://www.great-gardeners.com http://www.harborgardens.com http://www.hitherbrook.com http://www.homegardendirect.com http://www.hoosierlandscapes.com http://www.igardenworld.com http://www.laddsgardencenter.com http://www.maxwellturf.com http://www.mcardles.com http://www.mcnaughtonsgardens.com http://www.riverside-nursery.com http://www.russellsgardencenter.com http://www.shannonflorist.com http://www.thegardenspot.com http://www.tomsgarden.com http://www.tripleoaks.com http://www.twomblynursery.com http://www.zergott.com "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson tomj |
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21-06-2003, 10:08 PM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
Gary Hancock wrote in
: While looking for some gardening supplies online today, I discovered several different retailers, all claiming to be different businesses with different locations and contact info. However, every single one of them had the exact same site structure, the same scripting, and the items offered at each site are exactly the same. If one site is out of something, every other site is also out. What is going on? Is this some sort of scam? It's not necessarily a scam. If you take business courses you probably learn about it. I forget what it's called though. -- Salty |
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21-06-2003, 10:32 PM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
Having worked for a service like this before, I think I recognise it
as a cookie-cutter operation. Sellsonic (note the "Powered By" at the bottom of the first page of the sites) obviously uses the same formula for all the sites to save money and sells ready-made websites to smaller gardening businesses. We did the same thing with insurance companies. Instead of having to charge for orginal artwork, site design, etc., most places like this let you choose from a portfolio of site designs and ready made graphics. Keeps the costs down, but still allows the business to have a nice looking site. I seriously doubt it's a scam. Casey On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:59:26 -0400, Gary Hancock wrote: While looking for some gardening supplies online today, I discovered several different retailers, all claiming to be different businesses with different locations and contact info. However, every single one of them had the exact same site structure, the same scripting, and the items offered at each site are exactly the same. If one site is out of something, every other site is also out. What is going on? Is this some sort of scam? Here is a list of all of the sites I have found like this so far: http://www.awbrown.com http://www.bayportflower.com http://www.berkshirenursery.com http://www.chnursery.com http://www.countrygardensinc.com http://www.cousinsgardencenter.com http://www.daysgarden.com http://www.forthillnursery.com http://www.gardenist.com http://www.gloriasgardencenter.com http://www.great-gardeners.com http://www.harborgardens.com http://www.hitherbrook.com http://www.homegardendirect.com http://www.hoosierlandscapes.com http://www.igardenworld.com http://www.laddsgardencenter.com http://www.maxwellturf.com http://www.mcardles.com http://www.mcnaughtonsgardens.com http://www.riverside-nursery.com http://www.russellsgardencenter.com http://www.shannonflorist.com http://www.thegardenspot.com http://www.tomsgarden.com http://www.tripleoaks.com http://www.twomblynursery.com http://www.zergott.com |
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21-06-2003, 11:08 PM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
In article ,
Gary Hancock wrote: While looking for some gardening supplies online today, I discovered several different retailers, all claiming to be different businesses with different locations and contact info. However, every single one of them had the exact same site structure, the same scripting, and the items offered at each site are exactly the same. If one site is out of something, every other site is also out. What is going on? Is this some sort of scam? Go to: http://gardenwatchdog.com/whoownswhat.php It tells which companies own which companies. For example: Gardens Alive! owns: * Gardens Alive! * Audubon Workshop * Breck's Bulbs * Flower of the Month Club * Gurney Seed & Nursery * Henry Field Seed & Nursery * Michigan Bulb * mySEASONS Garden Solutions * Spring Hill Nurseries International Garden Products owns: * International Garden Products * Briggs Nursery, Inc. * Langeveld Bulb Co Inc * Little Valley Wholesale Nursery * Skagit Gardens * Thompson and Morgan (UK) * Vandenberg Bulbs * Weeks Wholesale Roses Grower, Inc -- Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to Cheers, Steve Henning in Reading, PA USA http://www.users.fast.net/~shenning |
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22-06-2003, 12:08 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in news
 ighash-: http://gardenwatchdog.com/whoownswhat.php It tells which companies own which companies. I think it's more of a case where company A is a distributor for companies B, C, D. The distributor gets a steady cash stream, while the retailers handle sales and advertising and are usually free to set prices as they see fit. Of course it's also entirely possible, as you (or gardenwatchdog) say, that the distributor owns all the outlets. - Salty |
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22-06-2003, 01:08 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:59:11 GMT, Salty Thumb
wrote: Of course it's also entirely possible, as you (or gardenwatchdog) say, that the distributor owns all the outlets. Follow the link I posted and it's very clear. If you do a whois search you'll find that EVERY web address is owned by DIFFERENT people. Sheesh.... "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson tomj |
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22-06-2003, 01:20 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
des weges wrote in
: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 22:59:11 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote: Of course it's also entirely possible, as you (or gardenwatchdog) say, that the distributor owns all the outlets. Follow the link I posted and it's very clear. If you do a whois search you'll find that EVERY web address is owned by DIFFERENT people. Sheesh.... Sorry, too lazy and really not that important to me. But thanks for sharing. - Salty |
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22-06-2003, 02:44 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:16:17 GMT, Salty Thumb
wrote: Sorry, too lazy and really not that important to me. But thanks for sharing But not to lazy to share an unfounded opinion? :) "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson tomj |
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22-06-2003, 03:20 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
des weges wrote in
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:16:17 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote: Sorry, too lazy and really not that important to me. But thanks for sharing But not to lazy to share an unfounded opinion? :) hmm, let's 60 sec to whipout sassy reply, vs. search for whois client on computer and if not found search internet for one, go to website download client, compile if necessary, run program, go to plant website, systematically look up each address, cut and paste results into editor for easy comparisons, report findings, include caveat that results may not be certified if listed addresses have not been validated by some trusted system. I've had asparagus grow fast than that. :^) - Salty |
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22-06-2003, 03:56 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:17:39 GMT, Salty Thumb
wrote: des weges wrote in news
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:16:17 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote: Sorry, too lazy and really not that important to me. But thanks for sharing But not to lazy to share an unfounded opinion? :) hmm, let's 60 sec to whipout sassy reply, vs. search for whois client on computer and if not found search internet for one, go to website download client, compile if necessary, run program, go to plant website, systematically look up each address, cut and paste results into editor for easy comparisons, report findings, include caveat that results may not be certified if listed addresses have not been validated by some trusted system. I've had asparagus grow fast than that. :^) - Salty And not much for internet skills apparently. :) "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson tomj |
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22-06-2003, 04:08 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
des weges wrote in
: And not much for internet skills apparently. :) and how would you know? - Salty |
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22-06-2003, 05:32 AM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:08:04 GMT, Salty Thumb
wrote: and how would you know? The degree of difficulty you assign the task is a give away. "As crude a weapon as a cave man's club the chemical barrage has been hurled at the fabric of life." Rachel Carson tomj |
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22-06-2003, 01:08 PM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
des weges wrote in
: On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 03:08:04 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote: and how would you know? The degree of difficulty you assign the task is a give away. It's not difficult so much as unnecessary and uninteresting, and without the tools I normally would use for such searches, yes, it is more difficult. You could mulch your tomatoes with a blanket of AOL discs but why would you if you could pick up some nice red plastic later in the week. Or better yet, con some guy with too much time on his hands into delivering it for you. I suppose if you have kids that whine about mowing the lawn, you'd think they were incompetent at handling machinery. Aside from that, my Internet skills were good enough to present a paper on the subject of Internet transmissions at an international conference for computer professionals, so nah nah bhlaahthwppp. -- Salty P.S. [rec.garden-y remarks] Soak your disease free seeds overnight in a weak tea solution. The tannic acid will help weaken the seed coat and aid in germination. |
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22-06-2003, 02:20 PM
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Garden site operating as multiple "seperate" businesses - scam?
Gary Hancock wrote:
What is going on? Is this some sort of scam? Look the domains up at http://geektools.com/cgi-bin/proxy.cgi and you can see who owns them. From what I saw, Mr. Slater has been VERY busy. Technically it's not a scam ... it perhaps gives him some sort of an advntage in the search engines. I'm getting "connection refused" when I try to look at the sites, so they might be running an intrusive JavaScript or be on my list of obnoxious pop-up sites. Traceroute on AWBROWN.COM deadends with a DNS error at Exodus, whichleads me to believe it's all running off a home server on exodus, or on the other side of xodus. 8 208.173.57.21 bpr1-so-6-0-0.LosAngeles.cw.net 9 208.172.44.225 dcr2-so-4-0-0.Anaheim.cw.net 10 206.24.226.100 dcr2-loopback.Washington.cw.net 11 206.24.238.166 bhr1-pos-10-0.Sterling1dc2.cw.net 12 216.33.98.2 csr21-ve240.Sterling1dc2.cw.net [AS3967] Exodus Communications 13 216.33.99.2 DNS error [AS3967] Exodus Communications 14 204.71.0.13 DNS error Here is a list of all of the sites I have found like this so far: http://www.awbrown.com Registrant: A.W. Brown 144 Shaker Road East Longmeadow, MA 01028 US 413-525-2115 Admin: Slater, Andrew 10 Roberts Lane Ridgefield, CT 06877 US 203 894 9357 Fax:212 858 5778 (Slatre also owns the sellsonic.com domain) http://www.bayportflower.com http://www.berkshirenursery.com http://www.chnursery.com http://www.countrygardensinc.com http://www.cousinsgardencenter.com http://www.daysgarden.com http://www.forthillnursery.com http://www.gardenist.com Organization: iSCAPE Inc Andrew Slater 10 Roberts Lane Ridgefield, CT 06877 US Phone: 203 894 9357 Fax..: 203-778-5895 Email: http://www.gloriasgardencenter.com http://www.great-gardeners.com http://www.harborgardens.com http://www.hitherbrook.com http://www.homegardendirect.com http://www.hoosierlandscapes.com http://www.igardenworld.com http://www.laddsgardencenter.com http://www.maxwellturf.com http://www.mcardles.com http://www.mcnaughtonsgardens.com Administrative Contact: Slater, Andrew 10 Roberts Lane Ridgefield, CT 06877 US 203 894 9357 Fax:212 858 5778 http://www.riverside-nursery.com http://www.russellsgardencenter.com http://www.shannonflorist.com http://www.thegardenspot.com http://www.tomsgarden.com http://www.tripleoaks.com http://www.twomblynursery.com http://www.zergott.com Tsu -- To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection. - Jules Henri Poincaré |
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