I live in Ne P.A and would like to plant some things without the deer
population eating them. I could fence them in but decided I don't like the
whole fence thing,


What kind of flowers, shrubs, bushes can be planted without fear of deer
eating them? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Pluckey-

What kind of flowers, shrubs, bushes can be planted without fear of deer
eating them? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 16:44:28 GMT, "pluckey" wrote:

I live in Ne P.A and would like to plant some things without the deer
population eating them. I could fence them in but decided I don't like the
whole fence thing,

I've seen that around. Big half-million dollar homes with gardens
and front yards that look like prisons.

What kind of flowers, shrubs, bushes can be planted without fear of deer
eating them? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Chop down some norway maples. The deer will eat the maple leaves and
leave your own garden alone. N-maples are exotic invasives in the
northeast, and I'm sure you have at least a few around the house.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to tell apart sugar maples from norways.
Norways have a much pointier leaf ends, and many more points in
general than sugar maple leaves. Norways also grow in very dense
shade. The bark of a norway maple is beige when young to gray when
older, whereas a sugar maple's bark is a lot darker. The best time to
tell them apart is fall, when norways become brown & gold, with no
red. Sugar maples have at least a tinge of red in the leaves, but
chopping norways in fall doesn't exactly help plants now during the
summertime Makes for good winter firewood, though....

Leaving flat chicken wire 6"-12" high in a radius around your plants
will also deter deer. They cannot escape quickly, and their legs
could be trapped in the chicken wire, so they avoid it (unless there's
unnaturally large (20-30) herds of starving deer walking around your
area, in which case they'll risk just about anything).

Black plastic netting on the plant itself will also help, but the
netting drags down the plant itself. Just about any repellant will
eventually wash off, nor will new growth be protected from being
eaten.

Dan

"pluckey" wrote:

What kind of flowers, shrubs, bushes can be planted without fear of deer
eating them?

Plastic ones. I am not kidding. When hungry enough deer will eat
anything. The only things in my yard they have spared is spruce trees,
but others have reported problems there also.

My problem is mainly in the winter. I use deer netting on my evergreen
plants such as rhododendrons and conifers. I have to remove it in the
spring before they start growing or they grow through it. The deer
netting works for me. The deer are always trying to get under the fence
and I am always find better ways to use the deer netting.

The best repellant is a good dog. All of the others work for a while
but when the deer get hungry, they don't stop them.

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Stephen M. Henning wrote:
"pluckey" wrote:


What kind of flowers, shrubs, bushes can be planted without fear of deer
eating them?


Plastic ones. I am not kidding. When hungry enough deer will eat
anything. The only things in my yard they have spared is spruce trees,
but others have reported problems there also.

My problem is mainly in the winter. I use deer netting on my evergreen
plants such as rhododendrons and conifers. I have to remove it in the
spring before they start growing or they grow through it. The deer
netting works for me. The deer are always trying to get under the fence
and I am always find better ways to use the deer netting.

The best repellant is a good dog. All of the others work for a while
but when the deer get hungry, they don't stop them.


I thought that the plastic "deer netting" was the answer until last
winter. Those ****ed deer chewed holes thru the netting and proceeded
to not-so-nicely prune my globe and emerald arbor vitae. By the way, a
staple food of our deer in the winter are the evergreens. I commonly
see them browsing on lower branches of my mature red pines. Also, they
completely destroyed a sunflower seed feeder outside my window. They
are getting as bad as the squirrels.

Bill in far NW Wisconsin

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a good BIG dog. deer went after my Papillion going to make toe jam outta him. we
got my mother a BB pistol to carry outside and protect her Pom, deer was acting like
she was going to attack my mothers dog too. Ingrid

"Stephen M. Henning" wrote:
The best repellant is a good dog. All of the others work for a while
but when the deer get hungry, they don't stop them.



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Oh... we got the extra problem the hunters are staying home cause of mad deer
disease. so the population is exploding. Ingrid

Bill and Nancy Weiler wrote:
I thought that the plastic "deer netting" was the answer until last
winter. Those ****ed deer chewed holes thru the netting and proceeded
to not-so-nicely prune my globe and emerald arbor vitae. By the way, a
staple food of our deer in the winter are the evergreens. I commonly
see them browsing on lower branches of my mature red pines. Also, they
completely destroyed a sunflower seed feeder outside my window. They
are getting as bad as the squirrels.

Bill in far NW Wisconsin



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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:34:48 GMT, wrote:

Oh... we got the extra problem the hunters are staying home cause of mad deer
disease. so the population is exploding. Ingrid

Bill in far NW Wisconsin

We've got the same problem in NJ...the "Governors 2002 Report on Deer
Management"cites an alarming increase in deer populations all over the
state. The report cited over a half dozen significant problems in
deterring deer population explosions from all corners of society.

For one, the suburban population is exploding, so deer tend to stay
near housings, a place hunters cannot go. Many other landowners
declare "wildlife refuges", so deer can camp out in these areas.
Legal obstacles include a 450 foot radius around every residential
structure forbidden to hunting, which, not including the above,
effectively wipes out two-thirds of NJ's land mass for hunting.
Rifle, muzzleloading AND bow hunting must be 450 ft away from
residential structures...the bow restriction is particularly absurd.

The last but not least factor in deer pop. explosions is the
decreasing number of hunters. They are either getting too old, or
don't feel like fighting PETA every step of the way for the rest of
their lives. Nor do they enjoy having fake-blood splattered on their
homes every time "Bambi" or "Smokey" comes back in their trunk.

Animal rights advocates are not "environmentalists". If they were
truly environmentalists, they would view overpopulation as a direct
threat to native plants and the ecosystem in general. Their view on
wildlife is distorted and threatens our environment.

Dan

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:33:27 GMT, wrote:

a good BIG dog. deer went after my Papillion going to make toe jam outta him. we
got my mother a BB pistol to carry outside and protect her Pom, deer was acting like
she was going to attack my mothers dog too. Ingrid

I've witnessed deer attempt to trample housecats that got too close.
They can be very aggressive.

Dan

We have a severe deer problem too. The local officials banned deer
hunting due to the 9-11 incident. Now we are seeing deer during the
day and they seem to know people are not going to hurt them. Last
week there were 9 deer grazing in the backyard and I'm in the middle
of the city.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:33:22 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:33:27 GMT, wrote:

a good BIG dog. deer went after my Papillion going to make toe jam outta him. we
got my mother a BB pistol to carry outside and protect her Pom, deer was acting like
she was going to attack my mothers dog too. Ingrid

I've witnessed deer attempt to trample housecats that got too close.
They can be very aggressive.

Dan

Yes. I was charged by a deer three weeks ago. I was shocked and
surprised by the incident. Later I determined the doe was hiding her
fawn in the wooded area and I got too close.

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In article ,
Phisherman wrote:

We have a severe deer problem too. The local officials banned deer
hunting due to the 9-11 incident. Now we are seeing deer during the
day and they seem to know people are not going to hurt them. Last
week there were 9 deer grazing in the backyard and I'm in the middle
of the city.


I guess I just dont understand the relationship to 9/11. We have a
horrendous overpopulation of deer here in Missouri too. We have to go
to great lengths to protect our garden and plantings. And yet, once
again, the the DNR decided not to thin the population again this year in
our area. And now people are getting so mad at the damage they are
starting to take matters into their own hands. I hear large caliber gun
shots a lot (not 22s) these days and it is not large game season.
Someone is going to get hurt.

The deer killed several of our yews this winter--- ate them nearly to
the ground. It is heartbreaking to watch these beautiful animals starve
because they have no natural predators (except man) and are severely
over-populated. And up in Wisconsin and in some other states, not many
want to hunt them now because of chronic wasting disease.

Bambi is turning into Rambo.

Phisherman wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:33:22 GMT, (dstvns) wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:33:27 GMT, wrote:

a good BIG dog. deer went after my Papillion going to make toe jam outta him. we
got my mother a BB pistol to carry outside and protect her Pom, deer was acting like
she was going to attack my mothers dog too. Ingrid

I've witnessed deer attempt to trample housecats that got too close.
They can be very aggressive.

Dan

Yes. I was charged by a deer three weeks ago. I was shocked and
surprised by the incident. Later I determined the doe was hiding her
fawn in the wooded area and I got too close.



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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:34:21 -0500, Phaedrine Stonebridge
wrote:

It is heartbreaking to watch these beautiful animals starve
because they have no natural predators (except man) and are severely
over-populated.

Even human hunters are distorting the population, taking the strongest
and leaving the weakest (inverse-darwinism). Introducing wildcats or
cougars back to the environment is out of the question, since they
cannot be trained to avoid adults as well as children...after all,
who's ever heard of an "obedient cat"? ;P Even so, I'm sure some
PETA extremists are working toward that goal (on the other hand, many
would look upon one animal killing another animal for food, especially
young, sick and old members, as "bad"...so predators are "bad"
according to the logic of "ethical" animal rights activists)

The only other predator of sick or weak deer would be wolves, and they
aren't very adaptable to human settlements, either...especially
livestock areas. It's ironic and hypocritical that we preach that
places such as Africa should keep their predators alive, whereas we've
virtually wiped ours off the face of the continent.

Dan

(dstvns) wrote:

Even human hunters are distorting the population, taking the strongest
and leaving the weakest (inverse-darwinism). Introducing wildcats or
cougars back to the environment is out of the question, since they
cannot be trained to avoid adults as well as children.

In Pennsylvania, the white-tailed deer, Odocoileus virginianus, herd has
gotten so overwhelming that doe and small bucks are being harvested than
bucks. Hunters usually aren't very selective. Hunters harvested 5 deer
from our property (10 acres) last fall and they didn't even make a dent
in the local number of deer. Each year hunters harvest about 500,000
deer in Pennsylvania (165,000 antlered and 350,000 antlerless).
Predators kill about 120,000 each year and automobiles kill about 30,000
each year in Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania has about 3,500 wildcat or bobcat (Lynx Rufus) and a few
Canada lynx (Lynx Canadensis), but they don't have a very large impact
on the deer population. Since food for the wildcat is so plentiful,
they don't bother man.

Fortunately we have the red fox (Vulpes vulpes) and the gray fox
(urocyon cinereoargenteus) and the eastern coyote (Canis latrans) also.
On the down side, these and other mammals help spread ticks. Perhaps
the deer is the worst offender in spreading ticks.

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