"Sue" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 01:42:26 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

"Don" wrote:

Here's the deal Richard.
I will have any gun I want, whether I *need* it or not and there isn't a
goddamn thing you can do about it.
Jesus christ you're a ****ing idiot.

Here's the deal, idiot....I don't give a flying **** what gun you want
or need or have and you shouldn't about me, either. The point was
that some idiot above suggested that *I* should have one that he
suggested and I asked why he thinks that *I* need it in his opinion?

Is English not your first language or are you just ****ing stupid?

It's been my experience with him that your second suggestion is
correct.
Sue

I hope someone kills you, soon.

"Richard Lewis" wrote in message
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Sue wrote:

It's been my experience with him that your second suggestion is
correct.
Sue

Sorry to say it Sue, but I am beginning to believe so, too.

I mean, an idiot suggests that *I* should go out and buy a .35 cal

Lying ****ing asshole.
YOU asked him (Jim Dauven) why he *needs* such a gun.
I chastised you for asking such a stupid question.
You got mad and started stamping your feet.
Now, you're lying again, to a socialist.
Both of you should be horse whipped publicly.

"Sue" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:00:19 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

Sue wrote:

It's been my experience with him that your second suggestion is
correct.
Sue

Sorry to say it Sue, but I am beginning to believe so, too.

I mean, an idiot suggests that *I* should go out and buy a .35 cal
rifle with no explanations given, I ask "why should I", and this idiot
goes off on some tangent about how he can buy anything he wants. Like
anyone has suggested that he can't?

I mean, sheeesh, it was asking why someone suggested that *I* need it
that got it started and he says "buy it anyway, you don't have the
right to ask why you need it".

Hey, Sue, Merry Christmas!

Thanks. Happy New Year to you. I killfiled don a long time ago. He
is the worst debater ever. Gets really confused, writes dumb stuff
and then ignores any comment about the stupidity of what he wrote.

Suck a horse dick, slut.

"Don" wrote in message
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I see you know as much about diet as you do about *ownership* of parks, eh
Rick? LOL
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And I see you know even less. But then, that's not unexpected for the
ignorant troll, eh little boy?





snippage....

"Don" wrote in message
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"rick etter" wrote
You're wrong, as usual...

LOL
There's something wrong with that boys circuit board.
=====================
I see you have nothing, again. But then, that's all we've come to expect
from you little boy...

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"Sue" wrote in message
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:00:19 GMT, (Richard
Lewis) wrote:

Sue wrote:

It's been my experience with him that your second suggestion is
correct.
Sue

Sorry to say it Sue, but I am beginning to believe so, too.

I mean, an idiot suggests that *I* should go out and buy a .35 cal
rifle with no explanations given, I ask "why should I", and this
idiot
goes off on some tangent about how he can buy anything he wants.
Like
anyone has suggested that he can't?

I mean, sheeesh, it was asking why someone suggested that *I* need it
that got it started and he says "buy it anyway, you don't have the
right to ask why you need it".

Hey, Sue, Merry Christmas!

Thanks. Happy New Year to you. I killfiled don a long time ago. He
is the worst debater ever. Gets really confused, writes dumb stuff
and then ignores any comment about the stupidity of what he wrote.

snip vulgar and insulting comment from Don

Wow. I am in awe of your masterful debating style! You really
defended your position with wit and elegance, THERE!

FW

"Don" wrote in message
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snippage...


I see you have absolutely nothing to add to any conversation, eh troll?

rick etter wrote:


"Don" wrote in message
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"rick etter" wrote
You're wrong, as usual...

LOL
There's something wrong with that boys circuit board.
=====================
I see you have nothing, again. But then, that's all we've come to expect
from you little boy...


PEBKAC
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Robert Sturgeon wrote:

It only takes 600 calories (assumning that is correct) if
there is no division of labor. It certainly doesn't take
600 calories to put a loaf of bread on a modern American's
table.

Assuming for a moment that the (highly speculative) figure of 600 calories
is a good one, it takes 600 calories whether one hand or many does the
planting, harvesting, grinding, baking. But the figure of 600 calories is
grossly distorted.

I make $8 an hour, gross, so it takes me about 15 minutes labor to put a
loaf of bread on the table. I am poorly paid, for most people it takes even
less effort. I don't think I expend 2,400 calories an hour on my job ...
almost no one does (19kCal a day? Not.) Frankly, once I do the math
(divvying up how much I eat in a day by 24 and applying 15 minutes worth to
the goal of putting a loaf of bread on the table), I would say that it
takes about 15-20 calories to produce a loaf of bread. This includes all
the plowing, all the planting, all the tending, all the harvesting, all the
transportation, all the grinding, all the cooking, and all the delivery to
the shelves of my local store ... because that's what my 15 minutes buys,
cash on the barrel head.

My grandfather ran a family farm and didn't eat the calories the
survivalists are claiming. Grannie was a little on the thin side, but
Gramps was pretty hefty. I've seen what he ate. It was long in carbs, and
veggies, but had some meat, too. Breakfast was normally a few small boiled
potates with fresh butter, a bowl of oatmeal and a couple eggs. Lunch was a
full meal of dinner leftovers and dinner was an event. He was
self-suficient on 25 acres of WV hillside. That included woodlot, ponds
(two), milk cows, a few pigs, a hen house and a horse or two. In the early
days (until the trees were cleared off enough of the land), it included an
ox but no horses.

I've stolen eggs from the hens and slaughtered them ,too. I never got in on
any of the larger livestock slaughtering, but Gramps had a boiling pit for
getting the hair off pigs and a smokehouse for curing them. They made their
own soap and canned a BOATLOAD of chickens, pork and beef for the winter.

Never underestimate the power of a bean. Down on the farm, they ate
sparingly of animal protein but heavily of beans, green and dried. They
were pretty healthy.

Someone has made a very good point a couple of times. If a 'survivalist'
doesn't already plant at least a garden, in the event of a disaster, he may
not live long enough to see his first harvest. Gardens / farms take time.
You have to plant BEFORE the troubles start. Even if the current garden
does nothing but stave off starvation for a year ... that is enough. In a
year you could have the larger plot planted, harvested and in the root
cellar. There will be a lot of people heading into the fields with guns.
Even Michigans abundant deer herds would not survive that sort of pressure
for a second season.

Plant now and, if you are planning on being self-sufficient in an
environment of widespread scarcity, plan on being a generalist.

Just my 2 cents worth. G'night.

Bill
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Zone 5b (Detroit, MI)
I operate my own mail server (Postfix on Mandrake Linux). The above address
is filtered out and rejected.

Offbreed wrote:

Going to a plant only diet would result in an absurd waste of
resources as the parts of the plants not usable by humans end up in
the compost heap instead of being fed to animals. Not to suggest that
the present methods used by the meat industry is all that economical
of resources. I wouldn't know.


You were on a roll there, what happened to putting the parts that the human
cannot eat back into the soil and also the parts he HAS eaten? Human manure
is very rich and composts readily.

Bill
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Zone 5b (Detroit, MI)
I operate my own mail server (Postfix on Mandrake Linux). The above address
is filtered out and rejected.

"rick etter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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I see you know as much about diet as you do about *ownership* of parks,
eh
Rick? LOL
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And I see you know even less. But then, that's not unexpected for the
ignorant troll, eh little boy?

You still don't know anything about ownership, Rick.
That's why you look foolish. LOL
Talk about trolling.....

"rick etter" wrote in message
news

"Don" wrote in message
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"rick etter" wrote
You're wrong, as usual...

LOL
There's something wrong with that boys circuit board.
=====================
I see you have nothing, again.

Looks like I hit a nerve. LOL

But then, that's all we've come to expect
from you little boy...

What is it with you and little boys?

"rick etter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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snippage...


I see you have absolutely nothing to add to any conversation, eh troll?

Still own those parks, Rick?
Do you own anything at all? LOL
Keep trolling.....

"Don" wrote in message
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"rick etter" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote in message
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I see you know as much about diet as you do about *ownership* of
parks,
eh
Rick? LOL
=================
And I see you know even less. But then, that's not unexpected for the
ignorant troll, eh little boy?

You still don't know anything about ownership, Rick.
=====================
Wow, what a coinsidence, neither do you. At least you can't seem to answer
the question, now can you troll?


That's why you look foolish. LOL
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Nope. Just making you look the idiot you are.

Talk about trolling.....
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Yes, you are. Now, answer the question, if you can.

"Don" wrote in message
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"rick etter" wrote in message
news

"Don" wrote in message
. ..

"rick etter" wrote
You're wrong, as usual...

LOL
There's something wrong with that boys circuit board.
=====================
I see you have nothing, again.

Looks like I hit a nerve. LOL
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Nope, Apparently I have, since all you have are these little two-bit troll
bites. just can't answer the question, can you dolt?


But then, that's all we've come to expect
from you little boy...

What is it with you and little boys?
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They're jst like you. Claim something they can't back up. And then come
back with nah nah nah.
Does mommy know you are so stupid?