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J Kolenovsky wrote in
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They do, sprocket master. Carbon sequestration into soil and bio-mass
can reduce it from the atmoshere and alleviate warming in addition to
other factors. Why can't we convince the profiteers that?

haha, I think you answered your own question. Repeat what you just
wrote to your average Captain of Industry and observe as he stares
blankly at you for several minutes before suddenly announcing he's
late for his fund raising luncheon with Senator Bling-blang.

Anyway, I think it took the Civil War and thousands of soldiers
crapping into rivers for people to figure out indoor plumbing is a
good thing. Unfortunately, global warming doesn't have such a clearly
defined cause- effect. Not as clear as "doody water + you downstream
= cholera = bad" anyway.


oops, I meant clearly demonstrated cause-effect

Salty Thumb wrote:

haha, I think you answered your own question. Repeat what you just wro=
te
(oops, watch it - Ha Ha Budys Here might be lurking)
to your average Captain of Industry and observe as he stares blankly at=
you
for several minutes before suddenly announcing he's late for his fund
raising luncheon with Senator Bling-blang.

Yeah, I know a gearhead who tunes Maserati's and Lamborghini's. He's got
a Senator as a customer. A Senator driving a $300,000 car? Right. I'm
glad I'm a landscaper. At least, that's honest owrk.
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Anyway, I think it took the Civil War and thousands of soldiers crappin=
g
into rivers for people to figure out indoor plumbing is a good thing.
Unfortunately, global warming doesn't have such a clearly defined cause=
-
effect. Not as clear as "doody water + you downstream =3D cholera =3D =
bad"
anyway.

Yeah, I keep telling people who live north of me on the watershed to
quit dumping toxins into the watershed which ends up in Galveston Bay
and the Gulf. That's my shrimp and fish that I eat swimming in that
stuff.

http://www.onegulf.org/repair.html
http://gbep.tamug.tamu.edu/right.html
http://www.urban-nature.org/publications/sprawl.htm
http://www.watersmart.cc/ - this is awesome for little children to study
and read

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Oh absolutely. I didn't mean to imply otherwise (just doing things on the
short and dirty). There are actually those who think that if we could get
enough green stuff growing that it would help a great deal.... My only real
point is that what is called "global warming" is real and it doesn't mean
San Diego temperatures for us all but extreme weather variance for at least
the short term (in geological time).... The rocky mountains are part of the
whole climate issue (the eastside of the mountain is going to get less rain
giving you deserts since as the air gets pushed up it cools and the water
condenses...) but that is a local effect more or less... weather
complicated, yeah it is...... DK
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"D Kat" wrote in
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I'll try this again (I should write a book called "Global Warming for
DUMMIES"... I don't mean that as an insult by the by).

Most of the earth is covered in water. The oceans and great lakes are
heat sinks and it is the large bodies of water that drive our weather.
For all practical purposes ALL of our weather. If you have heard of
El Nino (unusual weather for the year because part of the Pacific is
warmer than usual), think of it in those terms only think SUPER El
Nino that never ends. The last ice age occurred because of just a 5-9
degree weather change. Having your yearly average temperature drop
only a few digress is not going to give you massive glaciers if all
you're talking about is the earth's air temperature dropping a few
degrees. It is the change in the oceans that change the climate.
What keeps the West coast so much warmer than the East coast is the
pattern of the ocean's currents. The storms we get are from high and
low pressure, water in the atmosphere, etc. - all of which come from
the ocean. Scientist from several different fields (geology,
paleontology, biology, etc.) all concur that the earth is warming at a
faster rate than seen before and that it is due to man's production of
chemicals that he is putting in the air. At this point you are not
seeing anyone disagree with the data or the theory (none that have
gone through peer review that is.... those papers are all most all
coming from the industries that will be hurt if we ever get the balls
to put things right or by nuts that say the earth is flat).

I have no vested interest in supporting the theory. I in fact don't
care much that it is happening. Life in geological time frame will do
just fine. For humans it will mean more disease of the tropical form,
plants and animals will go extinct which is already happening at the
fastest rate since Dinosaurs because we are destroying their habitat,
we will more than likely have to give up eating meat (I already have),
etc. I will find it sad to see animal types disappear but others will
take their place..... they just may be all of the cockroach, rat,
tumbleweed, etc. variety (those that thrive under adverse
conditions..)

Yeah... we need spring soon before I continue with these long winded
monologs....

Well most of what you said sounds reasonable, but I guess my point about
water is probably more or less your point without the geologic scale.
I'm guessing the ridiculously high specific heat of water will moderate
the temperature extremes of any local climate a lot better and therefore
someone (like me) who lives in a coastal region is more likely (but not
like me) to say "global warming? what global warming" even though the
weather is nutty, but because of the moderating effect of the ocean, not
as nutty as it could be.

The only things I would disagree with are, it's not just the pumping up
of CO2 and other chems, that are screwing things up, it's also the
deforestation. I imagine forests not only act as a significant heat sink
on land but also have the added benefit of locking away any excess CO2
and maybe even some chemicals.

The other thing is why the west coast is warmer. Maybe the ocean
currents have something to do with it (and the larger surface area of the
Pacific), but having the Rocky Mountains to block warm ocean air from
moving east has got to have some effect, too.

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Salty Thumb wrote:


Well most of what you said sounds reasonable, but I guess my point about
water is probably more or less your point without the geologic scale.
I'm guessing the ridiculously high specific heat of water will moderate
the temperature extremes of any local climate a lot better and therefore
someone (like me) who lives in a coastal region is more likely (but not
like me) to say "global warming? what global warming" even though the
weather is nutty, but because of the moderating effect of the ocean, not
as nutty as it could be.

Sorry to pour cold water on your hopes, but you've missed one of the
points that DKat made in her excellent explanation. She said " What
keeps the West coast so much warmer than the East coast is the pattern
of the ocean's currents."

As well as being vulnerable to atmospheric changes over the ocean
affecting wind-speed and rainfall, coastal climates (even on a large
continent) depend on the temperature and direction of adjacent ocean
currents.

Global warming is melting the polar icecaps fast, and a flood of cold
water with a different specific gravity, running into an ocean from one
direction, is thought likely to change the temperature and/or direction
of existing currents. Those changes would affect coastal regions first.

Janet. (Isle of Arran, west Scotland, at present warmed by Gulf Stream)

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from J Kolenovsky contains these words:

Salty Thumb wrote:


Well most of what you said sounds reasonable, but I guess my point about
water is probably more or less your point without the geologic scale.
I'm guessing the ridiculously high specific heat of water will moderate
the temperature extremes of any local climate a lot better and therefore
someone (like me) who lives in a coastal region is more likely (but not
like me) to say "global warming? what global warming" even though the
weather is nutty, but because of the moderating effect of the ocean, not
as nutty as it could be.

Sorry to pour cold water on your hopes, but you've missed one of the
points that DKat made in her excellent explanation. She said " What
keeps the West coast so much warmer than the East coast is the pattern
of the ocean's currents."

As well as being vulnerable to atmospheric changes over the ocean
affecting wind-speed and rainfall, coastal climates (even on a large
continent) depend on the temperature and direction of adjacent ocean
currents.

Global warming is melting the polar icecaps fast, and a flood of cold
water with a different specific gravity, running into an ocean from one
direction, is thought likely to change the temperature and/or direction
of existing currents. Those changes would affect coastal regions first.

Janet. (Isle of Arran, west Scotland, at present warmed by Gulf Stream)

grrrrrrrrrr. You had to rub it in, huh? Sitting in a cold NC
with projected 15F tonight.

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:31:23 -0000, "Brian"
wrote:

In the UK this has been an exceptionally mild winter and feel so sorry for
those of you in the US with such freezing weather.
Locally [Cornwall SW] we had 250 out-of-season species flowering on New
Year's day [figures from local paper] not counting those remaining from last
year~~ Roses,fuchsias, chrysanthemums, cyclamens and lilies etc. Roadsides
have miles of full flowering gorse.
All of the UK is well above the 50 degree latitude and without the Gulf
Stream would be similar to mid Canada~~ though without Polar Bears!
I hope your Spring is not too far away.
Best Wishes.

Janet Baraclough .. wrote in
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from J Kolenovsky contains these words:

Salty Thumb wrote:


Well most of what you said sounds reasonable, but I guess my point
about water is probably more or less your point without the
geologic scale. I'm guessing the ridiculously high specific heat of
water will moderate the temperature extremes of any local climate
a lot better and therefore someone (like me) who lives in a coastal
region is more likely (but not like me) to say "global warming?
what global warming" even though the weather is nutty, but because
of the moderating effect of the ocean, not as nutty as it could be.

Sorry to pour cold water on your hopes, but you've missed one of the
points that DKat made in her excellent explanation. She said " What
keeps the West coast so much warmer than the East coast is the pattern
of the ocean's currents."

I saw that, but I question whether ocean currents is the main factor in the
temperature difference. After all, you note that the east coast (well,
east coast of US) has its own well known current, the Gulf Stream (although
it may be famous for historical reasons and not because of the temperature
gradient). To me, having a large mountain mass blocking air (and therefore
heat) from escaping east makes more sense, (the Rockies being significantly
higher than the Appalachians).

"Pour cold water on ...", haha very punny.

As well as being vulnerable to atmospheric changes over the ocean
affecting wind-speed and rainfall, coastal climates (even on a large
continent) depend on the temperature and direction of adjacent ocean
currents.

Global warming is melting the polar icecaps fast, and a flood of cold
water with a different specific gravity, running into an ocean from
one direction, is thought likely to change the temperature and/or
direction of existing currents. Those changes would affect coastal
regions first.

Well like DKat said, weather is complicated