We have a vegetable garden, our neighbor has a large lawn. We now have
grubs in our food garden. Has anyone heard of " Milky Spore"? Is it
safe to use in a vegetable garden? Where can I find it? From Sue in
San Rafael, Ca.

On 7 Mar 2004 19:19:17 -0800, (Sue Clotere)
wrote:

We have a vegetable garden, our neighbor has a large lawn. We now have
grubs in our food garden. Has anyone heard of " Milky Spore"? Is it
safe to use in a vegetable garden? Where can I find it? From Sue in
San Rafael, Ca.

I saw (our) farmer's co-op sells Milky Spore. It is safe to use
anywhere. I've heard conflicting stories about its effectiveness.

"Sue Clotere" wrote in message
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We have a vegetable garden, our neighbor has a large lawn. We now have
grubs in our food garden. Has anyone heard of " Milky Spore"? Is it
safe to use in a vegetable garden? Where can I find it? From Sue in
San Rafael, Ca.

Milky spore is considered an organic control (biocontrol, actually) and
should be perfectly safe to use on a vegetable garden, however I would
question your need. California and the rest of the west coast is not yet
plagued by Japanese beetle (praise the Lord!) and not all grubs are harmful
or will result in adults that are harmful. Ground beetles, perhaps the most
common in our area, are very benign and helpful creatures, consuming all
manner of less desireable pests. I'd investigate what these grubs grow into
before wiping them all out.

pam - gardengal

"Sue Clotere" wrote in message
om...
We have a vegetable garden, our neighbor has a large lawn. We now have
grubs in our food garden. Has anyone heard of " Milky Spore"? Is it
safe to use in a vegetable garden? Where can I find it? From Sue in
San Rafael, Ca.

Milky spore is considered an organic control (biocontrol, actually) and
should be perfectly safe to use on a vegetable garden, however I would
question your need. California and the rest of the west coast is not yet
plagued by Japanese beetle (praise the Lord!) and not all grubs are harmful
or will result in adults that are harmful. Ground beetles, perhaps the most
common in our area, are very benign and helpful creatures, consuming all
manner of less desireable pests. I'd investigate what these grubs grow into
before wiping them all out.

pam - gardengal

"Pam - gardengal" wrote in message news:Fj%2c.523389$na.1180846@attbi_s04...
"Sue Clotere" wrote in message
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We have a vegetable garden, our neighbor has a large lawn. We now have
grubs in our food garden. Has anyone heard of " Milky Spore"? Is it
safe to use in a vegetable garden? Where can I find it? From Sue in
San Rafael, Ca.

Milky spore is considered an organic control (biocontrol, actually) and
should be perfectly safe to use on a vegetable garden, however I would
question your need. California and the rest of the west coast is not yet
plagued by Japanese beetle (praise the Lord!) and not all grubs are harmful
or will result in adults that are harmful. Ground beetles, perhaps the most
common in our area, are very benign and helpful creatures, consuming all
manner of less desireable pests. I'd investigate what these grubs grow into
before wiping them all out.

pam - gardengal

Thanks Pam, Last year we caught one of the beetles & took it to the
local extension, but they could'nt tell us what type of beetle it was.
We had it in an airtight jar, & it was still alive 2 weeks later. Can
you tell me if the "Milky Spore" will kill the earthworms.? We don't
want that either.

"Pam - gardengal" wrote

Milky spore is considered an organic control

Being organic doesn't have anything to do with being safe. Yes Milky
spore is safe and is organic. However, anthrax and rat feces are
natural organic materials and neither is safe. They occur naturally in
grain when it is improperly stored. Synthetic table salt and water are
not organic and are safe. Synthetic salt and water are more pure than
natural salt and water. Organic and safe are not equivalent. Synthetic
and unsafe are not equivalent. There is no correlation.

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(Sue Clotere) wrote:

Last year we caught one of the beetles & took it to the
local extension, but they couldn't tell us what type of beetle it was.
We had it in an airtight jar, & it was still alive 2 weeks later. Can
you tell me if the "Milky Spore" will kill the earthworms.? We don't
want that either.

Most grubs grow into Japanese Beetles or June Bugs. No, milky spore
will not harm earthworms.

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"Pam - gardengal" wrote

Milky spore is considered an organic control

Being organic doesn't have anything to do with being safe. Yes Milky
spore is safe and is organic. However, anthrax and rat feces are
natural organic materials and neither is safe. They occur naturally in
grain when it is improperly stored. Synthetic table salt and water are
not organic and are safe. Synthetic salt and water are more pure than
natural salt and water. Organic and safe are not equivalent. Synthetic
and unsafe are not equivalent. There is no correlation.

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(Sue Clotere) wrote:

Last year we caught one of the beetles & took it to the
local extension, but they couldn't tell us what type of beetle it was.
We had it in an airtight jar, & it was still alive 2 weeks later. Can
you tell me if the "Milky Spore" will kill the earthworms.? We don't
want that either.

Most grubs grow into Japanese Beetles or June Bugs. No, milky spore
will not harm earthworms.

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"Pam - gardengal" wrote

Milky spore is considered an organic control

Being organic doesn't have anything to do with being safe. Yes Milky
spore is safe and is organic. However, anthrax and rat feces are
natural organic materials and neither is safe. They occur naturally in
grain when it is improperly stored. Synthetic table salt and water are
not organic and are safe. Synthetic salt and water are more pure than
natural salt and water. Organic and safe are not equivalent. Synthetic
and unsafe are not equivalent. There is no correlation.

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(Sue Clotere) wrote:

Last year we caught one of the beetles & took it to the
local extension, but they couldn't tell us what type of beetle it was.
We had it in an airtight jar, & it was still alive 2 weeks later. Can
you tell me if the "Milky Spore" will kill the earthworms.? We don't
want that either.

Most grubs grow into Japanese Beetles or June Bugs. No, milky spore
will not harm earthworms.

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"Pam - gardengal" wrote

Milky spore is considered an organic control

Being organic doesn't have anything to do with being safe. Yes Milky
spore is safe and is organic. However, anthrax and rat feces are
natural organic materials and neither is safe. They occur naturally in
grain when it is improperly stored. Synthetic table salt and water are
not organic and are safe. Synthetic salt and water are more pure than
natural salt and water. Organic and safe are not equivalent. Synthetic
and unsafe are not equivalent. There is no correlation.

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(Sue Clotere) wrote:

Last year we caught one of the beetles & took it to the
local extension, but they couldn't tell us what type of beetle it was.
We had it in an airtight jar, & it was still alive 2 weeks later. Can
you tell me if the "Milky Spore" will kill the earthworms.? We don't
want that either.

Most grubs grow into Japanese Beetles or June Bugs. No, milky spore
will not harm earthworms.

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"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in newsighash-
:

"Pam - gardengal" wrote

Milky spore is considered an organic control

Being organic doesn't have anything to do with being safe. Yes Milky
spore is safe and is organic. However, anthrax and rat feces are
natural organic materials and neither is safe. They occur naturally in
grain when it is improperly stored. Synthetic table salt and water are
not organic and are safe. Synthetic salt and water are more pure than
natural salt and water. Organic and safe are not equivalent. Synthetic
and unsafe are not equivalent. There is no correlation.


Thanks for pointing that out. I would also like to point out that being a
groundhog doesn't have anything to do with being made of dirt or of bacon.

Similarly, "organic control" has a specific meaning unless you are a
literalist, have an agenda, or just plain don't get the vernacular
of 'organic gardeners' (who are also usually made of natural organic
materials, but not always safe, especially when angry and armed with a
shovel ... the shovel not necessarily being 100% organic, but we'll let it
slide).

"Stephen M. Henning" wrote in newsighash-
:

"Pam - gardengal" wrote

Milky spore is considered an organic control

Being organic doesn't have anything to do with being safe. Yes Milky
spore is safe and is organic. However, anthrax and rat feces are
natural organic materials and neither is safe. They occur naturally in
grain when it is improperly stored. Synthetic table salt and water are
not organic and are safe. Synthetic salt and water are more pure than
natural salt and water. Organic and safe are not equivalent. Synthetic
and unsafe are not equivalent. There is no correlation.


Thanks for pointing that out. I would also like to point out that being a
groundhog doesn't have anything to do with being made of dirt or of bacon.

Similarly, "organic control" has a specific meaning unless you are a
literalist, have an agenda, or just plain don't get the vernacular
of 'organic gardeners' (who are also usually made of natural organic
materials, but not always safe, especially when angry and armed with a
shovel ... the shovel not necessarily being 100% organic, but we'll let it
slide).