"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in
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You really should keep this in mind when you start insulting
people and
calling them names etc as you so often do.
Is it this "momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that
they are
insulting someone " that gives you such a kick?

You so often exhibit a great knowledge of plants, and a great use
of
reference material in how you answer many questions raised here,
then next
minute you're like a 10 year old in the playground who cant get
their own
way and who dredges up all the insults and foul words they can
think of to
vent their pent up anger.
So why not consider other peoples feelings and practice what you
are
preaching, and consider peoples feelings in future.

The OP's been in my killfile for a long time so I don't see his
posts.

'Kaffir' is a perfectly proper name for several indiginous tribes of
South Africa (inc the Xhosa) and just because the word is abused by
some
as a blanket term of contempt for any black African it doesn't make
'Kaffir' an offensive word per se. It reflects on the misusers, not
on
the perceived target, just the same as other abusers of
nationalities/communities/ethnic groups such as Jew, Arab, Bohemian,
French (screwdriver), Dutch (courage) don't make the use of these
nationalities offensive.

It's the intent behind the use of a word which is important, not its
political correctness to well-meaning fools.

If a 'Kaffir lily' were the name for something obnoxious, I would
agree
that it was an offensive name. Since it isn't, I can only assume
that
the OP is trolling as usual.

Thanks for injecting some good sense into this thread.

Franz

And "bugger" derives from the word from Bulgarian (it really does)
BRBR

As well as from a Christian sect in that part of the world, the Bogomil, or
Lovers of God. Like many other hermetic or marginalizxed religion (think of
the Blood Libel) it was demonized with slanders of its practices, which
allegedly included buggery.

zemedelec

"I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" W.C. Fields
"no one" wrote in message
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:59:23 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
wrote:

I'm not surprised that you still are using the highly offensive racist
name
for the plants.
Gosh stevie THATS so much worse than "BITCH SLAP" YOU PHONY ASS!

" I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" W.C. Fields
"David Hill" wrote in message
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"...........I'm not surprised that you still are using the highly
offensive
racist name for the plants ..........."

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...with the names you use at
times????

Yes there is a lot of political correctness gone mad.I believe that you
still talk about "Black berries", Here some of the Politically correct
brigade insist that they be referred to now as "Bramble fruit".
Short people are "Vertically challenged"
People with a disability are not disabled they are "Differently able."
And it goes on and on



--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

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from (paghat) contains these words:


"All Japanese people have buck teeth & say 'so sahwee'" is a racist slur.
"All black people have smaller brains" is a racist slur. It doesn't take
words like Gook or ****** to be slurs, & I side with Lenny Bruce on this
issue entirely: You would EMPOWER words to do harm, then make the words
taboo. I would rob the words of power.

I understand the argument, I just happen to disagree with the tactic.
I'm not convinced that celebrities always believe, or personally
practise, the heartfelt personal credos they mention on stage during
paid performances..or consider the wider social implications for less
privileged, cushioned members of society who adopt a celebrity's
catch-phrase philosophy. His adult sophisticated response doesn't take
account of the fact that it may be applied by and to other, more
vulnerable people than himself, who may be less socially, emotionally or
intellectually equipped to cope with the consequences.

It MIGHT be just two reasonable
approaches, but I suspect not; I think you're just wrong. You can make the
personal decision to personally not use words, but when you decide that
the speech of others is inherently bad because they don't share your
desire to FURTHER EMPOWER words by making them taboo, well, we should all
respect each others' choices I guess, but I do believe you do the greater
harm spreading the power of words to do harm instead of undermining that
power.

I pointed out to some who didn't know, that the term is still actively
used as racial abuse in Britain and her old colonies; enabling such
posters to make an informed choice about using it. I'm neither
empowering the word nor creating a taboo for others.

Janet.

In article , "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

My personal bugbear is the use of 'coloured' as an p.c. alternative to
'black'. Coloured is a blanket term for anyone who isn't white so its
labelling someone by what they're not. If I was black I'd rather be called
black than 'not white'.

I disagree it is worthy of being anyone's bugbear, but the use of
"colored" is a good example of why one shouldn't attempt a universal PC
language that attempts to ban or promote words on the basis of how they
are used on completely different continents. In many parts of the world
"coloured" actually means mixed race, & would exclude black per se;
elsewhere it means East Indians as distinct from black or white; but in
the US it is an old-fashioned word which was once the "correct" term of
alleged politeness -- but which black folk pretty jettisoned decades ago
in favor of Black or African American, though the NAACP was sort of stuck
with it by then. If there are black folk on another continent who would
today LIKE to be called "coloured" I never heard about that, but it's an
old Dick Gregory joke that white people should be called the Colorlesses.

In any case, Colored means totally different things in different
countries, just as kaffir means a beautiful flower to American gardeners,
no matter how it would be used by some dumbass ugly Dutch *******s
rejected by their own actual homeland as just too skanky. Isn't it nice
that honkys care enough to even think about it though.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article , "Franz Heymann"
wrote:

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
. com...

Rubbish.

I suppose we then also ought not to talk about boerewors either
Or murphies
Or sauerkraut
Or a Hottentotsgod (Praying mantis)
Or Boesmanboude (Gibbaeum sp., esp nebrownii)
And the Kaffir beer brewed by my father was a superb drink.
Or Frogs legs
Stuff political correctness and replace it by intelligent
understanding and respect

Franz

I've heard "Franz" used as an insult against Germans. "Saluted your furer
lately, FRAAAANZ?" Only by illiterate dirtbags who never heard of Kafka of
course. Still, just to be on the safe side so everyone is nice & polite, I
vote we ban the name Franz.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:17:23 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
wrote:
Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program.
Who's program, yours? Will you sit on the tribunal that passes
judgement on all others? Will you be the one that decides what is
hateful and what isn't? Not it I can help it.

Swyck

In article ,
pamfree (Zemedelec) wrote:

And "bugger" derives from the word from Bulgarian (it really does)
BRBR

As well as from a Christian sect in that part of the world, the Bogomil, or
Lovers of God. Like many other hermetic or marginalizxed religion (think of
the Blood Libel) it was demonized with slanders of its practices, which
allegedly included buggery.

zemedelec

Alleged schmalleged. Both buggery & lesbianism among the gnostics is an
important part of gay history, not an allegation of gay history.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
om...
In article , Darren
Garrison wrote:

So, I'm assuming that you insist that people not use the word
"cretin" to
describe an idiot because
it is an insult to people from Crete, not use "vandal" to describe
someone
who damages property
because it might offend descendants of the Vandal people?

And "bugger" derives from the word from Bulgarian (it really does)

I was so sceptical that I cracked my OED. Bugger me, you are right.

Franz

:L

--
Remover the rock from the email address

"I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" W.C. Fields
"no one" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:59:23 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
wrote:

I'm not surprised that you still are using the highly offensive racist
name
for the plants.
Gosh stevie THATS so much worse than "BITCH SLAP" YOU PHONY ASS!

" I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" W.C. Fields
"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"...........I'm not surprised that you still are using the highly
offensive
racist name for the plants ..........."

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...with the names you use at
times????

Yes there is a lot of political correctness gone mad.I believe that you
still talk about "Black berries", Here some of the Politically correct
brigade insist that they be referred to now as "Bramble fruit".
Short people are "Vertically challenged"
People with a disability are not disabled they are "Differently able."
And it goes on and on



--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
om...
In article , Darren
Garrison wrote:

So, I'm assuming that you insist that people not use the word
"cretin" to
describe an idiot because
it is an insult to people from Crete, not use "vandal" to describe
someone
who damages property
because it might offend descendants of the Vandal people?

And "bugger" derives from the word from Bulgarian (it really does)

I was so sceptical that I cracked my OED. Bugger me, you are right.

Franz

:L

--
Remover the rock from the email address

"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"..........It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted
racists among us and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not
to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame
excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil
the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the
modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue
to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One
may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are
insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program. .........."

Balderdash!

Hurrah!

Mary

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

dumbass ugly Dutch *******s

Oh come on!