On 4/5/04 4:21 PM, in article ,
"zxcvbob" wrote:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended. Not one single Bantu has spoken up
on this issue.

People in Quebec City find the entire English language offensive. Maybe we
should switch to French to avoid offending their sensibilities.

Sincèrement,
Bob
Isn't that what they are trying to do already?
C

Salty Thumb wrote:

Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du fouet.


You are welcome. Your cookie what?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Bob

The message
from zxcvbob contains these words:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended.

My point is, that it would be polite for Darren to show a little care
for the feelings of other posters than himself; even if they live
somewhere else.

For the record, I am offended by the use of racist slurs.

Janet.

Cereus-validus wrote "The last paragraph of my posting is the one that
should be most relevant to you in particular, David.

"Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program."

I doubt if even you can find an offensive name amongst any of the dahlias in
my catalogue.

And I would refer you to what you say in para. 4

"It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One
may have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are
insulting someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other
person will eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should
consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

You really should keep this in mind when you start insulting people and
calling them names etc as you so often do.
Is it this "momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are
insulting someone " that gives you such a kick?

You so often exhibit a great knowledge of plants, and a great use of
reference material in how you answer many questions raised here, then next
minute you're like a 10 year old in the playground who cant get their own
way and who dredges up all the insults and foul words they can think of to
vent their pent up anger.
So why not consider other peoples feelings and practice what you are
preaching, and consider peoples feelings in future.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

zxcvbob wrote in
:

Salty Thumb wrote:

Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du
fouet.


You are welcome. Your cookie what?

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Bob

ich sage nicht. die Wörter kann sein anstößig (???)

:-)

People in Quebec City find the entire English language offensive. Maybe we
should switch to French to avoid offending their sensibilities.


Nah, the Quebec City politicos need us maudites têtes carrées. We save
them the trouble of having to actually find something important to
blather on about :-)

BP

Darren Garrison wrote in
:

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:32:58 GMT, Salty Thumb
wrote:


Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du
fouet.

According to the miracles of www.altavista.com 's Babblefish, this
means "Yes, I agree entirely. Thank you very much, my biscuit of the
whip".

Sounds violent and/or kinky to me.


l'ordinateur ne pige pas, ma andouille, mais il est très poli. comprenez-vous? mais non.

Lisez:
il y a 10 (oui 10) genres de personnes dans le monde, ceux qui comprennent numeration
binaire et ceux qui ne comprennent pas.

pigez-vous?

Vous es un sac de merde.

zut! peut-être l'ordinateur comprend. Ribbit!

Gee Broccoli, you mean we are forced to include someone like yourself that
isn't of the human race too?


"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:


I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.

This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:32:58 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote:


Oui, je suis entièrement d'accord. Merci beaucoup, mon biscuit du fouet.

According to the miracles of www.altavista.com 's Babblefish, this means "Yes, I agree entirely.
Thank you very much, my biscuit of the whip".

Sounds violent and/or kinky to me.

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:21:36 GMT, Salty Thumb wrote:


ich sage nicht. die Wörter kann sein anstößig (???)

Again, thanks to Babelfish, we know that this means, in English,

"I legend not. the words can be anstoessig"

:-)

It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted racists among us
and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program.


"Lori S" wrote in message
...
Wow, such hostility in such a beautiful NG. No need for that, let's get
back to the topic! Spread the aloha spirit I always say...random acts of
kindness to replace the ugliest of things. Ignore and delete is the way
to
defeat! Lori )

"..........It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted
racists among us and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program. .........."

Balderdash!

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

Darren Garrison wrote in
:

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:50:13 GMT, Salty Thumb
wrote:


l'ordinateur ne pige pas, ma andouille, mais il est très poli.
comprenez-vous? mais non.

Lisez:
il y a 10 (oui 10) genres de personnes dans le monde, ceux qui
comprennent numeration binaire et ceux qui ne comprennent pas.

pigez-vous?

Vous es un sac de merde.

zut! peut-être l'ordinateur comprend. Ribbit!

Aaaaand, the http://babelfish.altavista.com/ translation:

the computer measuring rod not, my andouille, but it is very polished.
do you include/understand? but not. Read: there are 10 (yes 10) kinds
of people in the world, those which include/understand binary
numeration and those which do not include/understand. do you pigez?
You be a bag of shit. zut! perhaps the computer includes/understands.
Ribbit!

Rappelez-vous, il insulte seulement si vous savez ce que signifie il, ma
tête de mule. Heureusement, vous pas, mais pourquoi vous gardez sortir de
votre manière de juger et s'offenser est au delà de moi.

Traduit d'anglais-français par les poissons de Babel.

Voilà, c'est la bouteille à l'enc

Erzrzore, vg'f bayl vafhygvat vs lbh xabj jung vg zrnaf. Sbeghangryl, lbh
qba'g, ohg jul lbh xrrc tbvat bhg bs lbhe jnl gb gel naq bssraq lbhefrys vf
orlbaq zr.

The last paragraph of my posting is the one that should be most relevant to
you in particular, David.

"Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program."


"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"..........It is amazing how such a topic reveals who are the bigoted
racists among us and the clueless sycophants that empower them.

A truly enlightened individual would have admitted that such racist plant
names are offensive, vow never to use them again and enlighten other not
to
use them.

Instead we actually have had several who vainly try to justify lame
excuses
to continue to use racist and hateful names for plants. Such names spoil
the
garden of delights for the enjoyment others and have no place in the
modern
garden. There is not enough shame for these misguided trolls who continue
to
perpetuate hate and trick other into doing so in such subtle ways as using
hateful names for plants.

It doesn't matter whether those who are insulted are aware they are. One
may
have the momentary feeling of superiority in knowing that they are
insulting
someone without their immediately be aware of it but the other person will
eventually find out and still be hurt by such things. You should consider
the feelings of others as you would want others consider yours. Isn't that
the "golden rule" anyway?

Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program. .........."

Balderdash!

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

The message
from zxcvbob contains these words:

Janet Baraclough.. wrote:

The message
from Darren Garrison contains these words:



I do not CARE if the word is offensive in some distant country in some
way that is not meaningful in my own country. I don't CARE if the
word "kaffir" is a slur against ethnic Bantus in South Africa, because
I'm never going to go to South Africa and am most likely never going
to meet a Bantu.


This is an international newsgroup with contributors from other
countries and many races.

Janet


But what is your point? No one here has said they were personally
offended, only *vicariously* offended.

My point is, that it would be polite for Darren to show a little care
for the feelings of other posters than himself; even if they live
somewhere else.

For the record, I am offended by the use of racist slurs.

Janet.