Posted previously.

" I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" W.C. Fields

I am sure that no one feels inferior. Accordingly, no name used can
offend in anyway. To assume I would be upset would also presume my
inferiority~~that I would resent [or represent] but not be annoyed. Unless,
of course, there might be some pecuniary advantage!
Best Wishes~~ Limey
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
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"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
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In article , Darren
Garrison wrote:

So, I'm assuming that you insist that people not use the word
"cretin" to
describe an idiot because
it is an insult to people from Crete, not use "vandal" to describe
someone
who damages property
because it might offend descendants of the Vandal people?

And "bugger" derives from the word from Bulgarian (it really does)

I was so sceptical that I cracked my OED. Bugger me, you are right.

Franz

:L

--
Remover the rock from the email address

This is a most interesting discussion. Would the following phrase be
offensive: "That's like the pot calling the kettle Black"

In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

dumbass ugly Dutch *******s

Oh come on!

Be careful - Martin Sykes wasn't involved. Anyway, "kaffir" in
Africa was never as offensive a word as it is made out to be by
the Politically Correct in Europe. Its origin is Arabic, by way
of Swahili, and simply means "unbeliever", though it was used to
mean "the blacks" by "the whites". Strictly, both are kaffirs.

Anyway, if you want to wind up the more informed of the Politically
Correct, use the term "munt" - they will go through the roof. But
all it means is "man" in a generic Bantu language. Ch'bemba, the
Bemba language, M'Bemba, a Bemba person.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
Mary Fisher wrote:

"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Martin Sykes"
wrote:

dumbass ugly Dutch *******s

Oh come on!

Be careful - Martin Sykes wasn't involved.

I don't know who wrote the phrase I left in.

What I do feel is that what that phrase says is at least as offensive as
what the writer is objecting to.

The Fisher family is the only true English (whatever that means) family in
this street. We're not the only white family but that doesn't seem to matter
to the poster I replied to.

We've lived in this street for over forty years. We have non-English
(whatever that means) members of the family.

I believe that referring to anyone as the poster I replied to did is as
offensive as the poster suggested was referring to Kaffirs, as I understood
the post. The poster laid him/herself wide open by saying that.

That was my point, I should have made it more clearly.

It's a very silly subject for a thread and I shan't contribute to it any
more.

Mary

Salty Thumb expounded:

Erzrzore, vg'f bayl vafhygvat vs lbh xabj jung vg zrnaf. Sbeghangryl, lbh
qba'g, ohg jul lbh xrrc tbvat bhg bs lbhe jnl gb gel naq bssraq lbhefrys vf
orlbaq zr.

Nu, tbbq byr EBG13. V qb fcrnx gung! T

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

Ann wrote in
:

Salty Thumb expounded:

Erzrzore, vg'f bayl vafhygvat vs lbh xabj jung vg zrnaf. Sbeghangryl,
lbh qba'g, ohg jul lbh xrrc tbvat bhg bs lbhe jnl gb gel naq bssraq
lbhefrys vf orlbaq zr.

Nu, tbbq byr EBG13. V qb fcrnx gung! T


bu ab! zl frperg pbqr unf orra oebxra! cyrnfr gryy zr gurpvn.arg vf gur
phyvanel vafgvghgr bs nzrevpn, fb V jvyy abg unir gb fxvc gur pbhagel!

Salty Thumb expounded:

bu ab! zl frperg pbqr unf orra oebxra! cyrnfr gryy zr gurpvn.arg vf gur
phyvanel vafgvghgr bs nzrevpn, fb V jvyy abg unir gb fxvc gur pbhagel!

Lbhe frperg vf fnsr jvgu zr!

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

"There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on ******s, kikes,
wops or greasers. Here, you are all equally worthless."
- Gunnery Sergeant Hartman

In article , "Mary
Fisher" wrote:

dumbass ugly Dutch *******s


I don't know who wrote the phrase I left in.

What I do feel is that what that phrase says is at least as offensive as
what the writer is objecting to.

The Fisher family is the only true English (whatever that means) family in
this street. We're not the only white family but that doesn't seem to matter
to the poster I replied to.

It was my phrase used in satiric politicizing, as one kaffir-buggered
slitlicking bulldagger to a bunch of micks krauts guineas & general
peckerwoods, including even the occasional "true English" which is to say,
a gobbertoothed kidneypie-sucking limey *******s. And if I was objecting
to anything it was to people who would ban words, thereby increasing
their power to cause harm. Which you weren't smart enough to follow, thus
you made a few red-herring prattlings that made small sense indeed. But
you were endearingly foolish, therefore I'll repost these "Lyrics of
Pride" for you (to be sung to half a dozen Woody Guthrie tunes):

"Let your voice be heard, even though you're stupid
You can have a word, like any other fool
You've got as big a right
As anyone who's bright
So let your voice be heard."

I believe that referring to anyone as the poster I replied to did is as
offensive as the poster suggested was referring to Kaffirs, as I understood
the post. The poster laid him/herself wide open by saying that.

That was my point, I should have made it more clearly.

And, of course, it should have been apropos of something more than nothing!

-paghat the ratgirl


Mary

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

The message
from Ann contains these words:

Salty Thumb expounded:

bu ab! zl frperg pbqr unf orra oebxra! cyrnfr gryy zr gurpvn.arg vf gur
phyvanel vafgvghgr bs nzrevpn, fb V jvyy abg unir gb fxvc gur pbhagel!

Lbhe frperg vf fnsr jvgu zr!

Abg jvgu zr gubhtu. Fraq cvrf, be V gnyx.


anet

May I use my 'Spade' for digging or must I call it my 'bloody shovel'?
Either way my 'Dutch Hoe ' can get her own breakfast tomorrow!!
Best Wishes
"Brian" wrote in message
...
Posted previously.

" I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally" W.C. Fields

I am sure that no one feels inferior. Accordingly, no name used can
offend in anyway. To assume I would be upset would also presume my
inferiority~~that I would resent [or represent] but not be annoyed.
Unless,
of course, there might be some pecuniary advantage!
Best Wishes~~ Limey
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote in message
om...
In article , Darren
Garrison wrote:

So, I'm assuming that you insist that people not use the word
"cretin" to
describe an idiot because
it is an insult to people from Crete, not use "vandal" to describe
someone
who damages property
because it might offend descendants of the Vandal people?

And "bugger" derives from the word from Bulgarian (it really does)

I was so sceptical that I cracked my OED. Bugger me, you are right.

Franz

:L

--
Remover the rock from the email address

In our village we have some muleatoes

.........................Leslie


wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 23:17:23 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
wrote:
Maybe the only way to get the message across is by refusing to deal with
those nurseries who perpetuate hateful names of plants and not buying the
garden books that do the same? Its a new millennium and its about time
everyone finally got with the program.
Who's program, yours? Will you sit on the tribunal that passes
judgement on all others? Will you be the one that decides what is
hateful and what isn't? Not it I can help it.

Swyck

SNIP

Well said.

My personal bugbear is the use of 'coloured' as an p.c. alternative to
'black'. Coloured is a blanket term for anyone who isn't white so its
labelling someone by what they're not. If I was black I'd rather be
called black than 'not white'.

Yes, but ask yourself - have you ever actually met someone who is actually
black? The term is a collective approximation for a range of people with
skin colours which can vary from ivory through to very dark brown.

I personally do not like to describe people by a colour. Rightly or wrongly,
I am a bit uncomfortable with it. If I have to make any reference, I
generally try to describe in terms of geographical origin.

At least in the USA (and I thought here), I understood the term "Coloured"
was *not* politically correct...

Regards

Martin

(Pasty faced newbie gardener).


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Janet Baraclough.. expounded:

The message
from Ann contains these words:

Salty Thumb expounded:

bu ab! zl frperg pbqr unf orra oebxra! cyrnfr gryy zr gurpvn.arg vf gur
phyvanel vafgvghgr bs nzrevpn, fb V jvyy abg unir gb fxvc gur pbhagel!

Lbhe frperg vf fnsr jvgu zr!

Abg jvgu zr gubhtu. Fraq cvrf, be V gnyx.

Qeng! Fnygl, jr'ir orra bhggrq!

--
Ann, Gardening in zone 6a
Just south of Boston, MA
********************************

"Olushola" wrote in news:407324c6$0$1670
:

This is a most interesting discussion. Would the following phrase be
offensive: "That's like the pot calling the kettle Black"

Yes it is very offensive. Pot does not go with kettles. Try to put pot
and kettle together and pretty soon you'll hear such like 'Dude, what the
hell are you doing?' or 'Doris, get my bong'.

You should say, "That's similar to the mildly hallucinogenic controlled
substance referring to the metallic cooking paraphenalia as completely
absorptive of visible electromagnetic radiation"

Janet Baraclough.. wrote in
:

The message
from Ann contains these words:

Salty Thumb expounded:

bu ab! zl frperg pbqr unf orra oebxra! cyrnfr gryy zr gurpvn.arg
vf gur phyvanel vafgvghgr bs nzrevpn, fb V jvyy abg unir gb fxvc gur
pbhagel!

Lbhe frperg vf fnsr jvgu zr!

Abg jvgu zr gubhtu. Fraq cvrf, be V gnyx.


anet


V hetr lbh gb erpbafvqre. Boivbhfyl lbh ner abg snzvyvne jvgu zl sbbq
cercnengvba fxvyyf, bgurejvfr lbh jbhyq abg or nfxvat zr gb fzhttyr jrncbaf
bs zbhgu qrfgehpgvba bhg bs gur pbhagel.