On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:39:35 -0400, Ann opined:

Salty Thumb expounded:

P.S. If I offered to sell a gun to a veteran, does that mean I'm implying
that killing people is okay? I just want to know, I wouldn't want to do
something that is morally bankrupt and I'm obviously not good at thinking
for myself.

Now, just.....how.....is selling a gun to a veteran implying that
killing people is OK? Where is *that* connection coming from? It
isn't immoral for veterans to own guns, nor have all veterans killed
anyone while in our (your!) service. You've proven your last phrase,
unfortunately.

If you read it all, I was accused of being a proponent of pot smoking because I
made the comment about Tommy Chong being in jail for selling bongs. Bongs in
and of themselves are completely safe to sell. Because one sells them, does
that imply everyone should use it to smoke pot with? That's what the gun to the
veteran analogy was explaining.

Putting people in jails for selling bongs is, well, assinine. Not putting
people who are caught buying illegal drugs, doctor shopping, and using illegal
drugs (some call them prescription, I don't if they are bought on the street)
into jail is also pretty silly...when you see bong sellers in jail.

escapee wrote in
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:39:35 -0400, Ann opined:

Salty Thumb expounded:

P.S. If I offered to sell a gun to a veteran, does that mean I'm
implying that killing people is okay? I just want to know, I
wouldn't want to do something that is morally bankrupt and I'm
obviously not good at thinking for myself.

Now, just.....how.....is selling a gun to a veteran implying that
killing people is OK? Where is *that* connection coming from? It
isn't immoral for veterans to own guns, nor have all veterans killed
anyone while in our (your!) service. You've proven your last phrase,
unfortunately.

If you read it all, I was accused of being a proponent of pot smoking
because I made the comment about Tommy Chong being in jail for selling
bongs.

Exactly, here is the quote:

cacahuates wrote in :

A perfect example of why liberals are morally bankrupt. A few minutes
ago you lamented Tommy Chong's being arrested for selling a bong,
thereby implying that smoking illegal herbs was somehow OK. Now you

p-nut logic:
if
selling bong to someone who may or may not have used drugs: implies
smoking illegal herbs is okay
then
selling gun to someone who may or may not have killed somebody: implies
killing people is okay
?

Now you may accept any those conclusions as a logical consequence, but
personally I don't accept either (sarcasm aside) therefore I draw the
conclusion that what p-nut said isn't a perfect example of anything
(unless it's an example of McCarthyist logic).

Aside from that, what I said wasn't a criticism or an endorsement of the
military and was strictly for analogy. For my next trick I will attempt
to walk through Compton wearing the wrong color.

escapee wrote:

Rush Limbaugh did indeed do something illegal, and immoral.

What exactly has this Rush Limbaugh been charged with?

It's the one about FBI Agent John O'Neill. He died in the Twin Towers. Richard
Clark dedicated his book to him.

V


On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 13:41:23 GMT, opined:

no frontline was on in our market, but here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/
I found streaming video for several shows.
which one was it? Ingrid

escapee wrote:
I don't suppose you watched Frontline last night? If not, go to www.pbs.org and
read the transcript. Mind boggling.


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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:00:54 GMT, Salty Thumb
opined:

escapee wrote in
news
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 08:39:35 -0400, Ann opined:

Salty Thumb expounded:

P.S. If I offered to sell a gun to a veteran, does that mean I'm
implying that killing people is okay? I just want to know, I
wouldn't want to do something that is morally bankrupt and I'm
obviously not good at thinking for myself.

Now, just.....how.....is selling a gun to a veteran implying that
killing people is OK? Where is *that* connection coming from? It
isn't immoral for veterans to own guns, nor have all veterans killed
anyone while in our (your!) service. You've proven your last phrase,
unfortunately.

If you read it all, I was accused of being a proponent of pot smoking
because I made the comment about Tommy Chong being in jail for selling
bongs.

Exactly, here is the quote:

cacahuates wrote in :

A perfect example of why liberals are morally bankrupt. A few minutes
ago you lamented Tommy Chong's being arrested for selling a bong,
thereby implying that smoking illegal herbs was somehow OK. Now you

p-nut logic:
if
selling bong to someone who may or may not have used drugs: implies
smoking illegal herbs is okay
then
selling gun to someone who may or may not have killed somebody: implies
killing people is okay
?

Now you may accept any those conclusions as a logical consequence, but
personally I don't accept either (sarcasm aside) therefore I draw the
conclusion that what p-nut said isn't a perfect example of anything
(unless it's an example of McCarthyist logic).

Aside from that, what I said wasn't a criticism or an endorsement of the
military and was strictly for analogy. For my next trick I will attempt
to walk through Compton wearing the wrong color.

Uh, are you implying that gangs wear colors and you would be attacked for
wearing the wrong color? Ooops, I told my mother it was okay to wear teal. I
hope that wasn't my way of giving permission to the gangs for attacking her.

sarcasm off.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:06:23 -0400, cacahuates opined:



escapee wrote:

Rush Limbaugh did indeed do something illegal, and immoral.

What exactly has this Rush Limbaugh been charged with?

A salary of 40 million dollars for being a big fat idiot on the radio. Oh,
that's what I charged him with. He is still under investigation for drugs and
how he attained them. Of course, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit.

escapee wrote:
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:06:23 -0400, cacahuates opined:



escapee wrote:


Rush Limbaugh did indeed do something illegal, and immoral.

What exactly has this Rush Limbaugh been charged with?


A salary of 40 million dollars for being a big fat idiot on the radio. Oh,
that's what I charged him with. He is still under investigation for drugs and
how he attained them. Of course, if the glove don't fit, you must acquit.

So, he's never been arrested, never been indicted, never even been
charged with anything, but you claim he did something illegal.
Interesting logic. You seem to know more than the Palm Beach State's
Attorney even knows.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:24:40 -0400, cacahuates opined:

So, he's never been arrested, never been indicted, never even been
charged with anything, but you claim he did something illegal.
Interesting logic. You seem to know more than the Palm Beach State's
Attorney even knows.

Uh, that would be no. I know what Rush himself has said. It's not that
important, dude. Let go...

A perfect example of why liberals are morally bankrupt. A few minutes
ago you lamented Tommy Chong's being arrested for selling a bong,
thereby implying that smoking illegal herbs was somehow OK. Now you
imply that Rush Limbaugh, who had a problem with prescription drugs, is
unfit to be on the air. Are you saying drugs are fine if Tommy Chong
partakes, but bad if Limbaugh does?


Indeed. These same people who are becoming increasingly strident in
their demands to ship American political and judicial sovereignty
overseas are shocked and furious that American businesses (excepting
Heinz, of course) would consider moving their operations there. A
gliberal acquaintance of mine rages on about how GW cannot possibly be a
Christian because he opposes gay marriage - heaven help us all - and
then expounds with equal fever on the man's blatant disregard for
"constitutionally" mandated separation of church and state. For years,
leftist mutts of the Gore/Kerry stripe have been pushing punishing euro
style taxes on gasoline for the specific purpose of forcing the American
boobeoisie out of their SUVs and onto public transportation but are now
howling about GW's responsibility for the recent gas price increases.
Speaking of petroleum products, consider which political ideology
ruminates endlessly on what "we" did wrong to incite peaceful Islam to
attack - it must be Oy! Oy! Oil! - even as they work tirelessly to pump
up their amusement sodden homo-erotomaniac vaginoid pustule of a culture
whose imperial metastasis prefaces every mullah's nightmare about the
US. We saw how seamlessly the "greed of the eighties" became the Clinton
prosperity of the nineties but even more smoothly has the Vietnam War
era's deranged babykilling military provided the left with two shiny new
combat heroes for their recent presidential primary. True to form and
their current fave minority group, pinkos take it both ways. Today,
we're seeing the party that devised and instigated the legal schemes to
hamstring America's intelligence services (extra-domestic services
forbidden to recruit "unsavory" characters as field operatives;
electronic information gathering techniques prevailing to the near
extinction of human agentry; and, domestically, the FBI forbidden to
gather intelligence at all) complaining loudest that these services
failed...all under GW, without doubt. Considering what democrats proudly
claim to hate most about Bush, they've characteristically managed to
find a silver-spoon botox billionaire war criminal to represent their
team in the next election. Perfect! America's vichy left talks a good
morals game alright. Problem is, morality for them doesn't mean the
Golden Rule, it means political rule.


"I did it because they tricked me."

- John F. Kerry

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:45:41 GMT, opined:

A perfect example of why liberals are morally bankrupt. A few minutes
ago you lamented Tommy Chong's being arrested for selling a bong,
thereby implying that smoking illegal herbs was somehow OK. Now you
imply that Rush Limbaugh, who had a problem with prescription drugs, is
unfit to be on the air. Are you saying drugs are fine if Tommy Chong
partakes, but bad if Limbaugh does?


Indeed. These same people who are becoming increasingly strident in
their demands to ship American political and judicial sovereignty
overseas are shocked and furious that American businesses (excepting
Heinz, of course) would consider moving their operations there. A
gliberal acquaintance of mine rages on about how GW cannot possibly be a
Christian because he opposes gay marriage - heaven help us all - and
then expounds with equal fever on the man's blatant disregard for
"constitutionally" mandated separation of church and state. For years,
leftist mutts of the Gore/Kerry stripe have been pushing punishing euro
style taxes on gasoline for the specific purpose of forcing the American
boobeoisie out of their SUVs and onto public transportation but are now
howling about GW's responsibility for the recent gas price increases.
Speaking of petroleum products, consider which political ideology
ruminates endlessly on what "we" did wrong to incite peaceful Islam to
attack - it must be Oy! Oy! Oil! - even as they work tirelessly to pump
up their amusement sodden homo-erotomaniac vaginoid pustule of a culture
whose imperial metastasis prefaces every mullah's nightmare about the
US. We saw how seamlessly the "greed of the eighties" became the Clinton
prosperity of the nineties but even more smoothly has the Vietnam War
era's deranged babykilling military provided the left with two shiny new
combat heroes for their recent presidential primary. True to form and
their current fave minority group, pinkos take it both ways. Today,
we're seeing the party that devised and instigated the legal schemes to
hamstring America's intelligence services (extra-domestic services
forbidden to recruit "unsavory" characters as field operatives;
electronic information gathering techniques prevailing to the near
extinction of human agentry; and, domestically, the FBI forbidden to
gather intelligence at all) complaining loudest that these services
failed...all under GW, without doubt. Considering what democrats proudly
claim to hate most about Bush, they've characteristically managed to
find a silver-spoon botox billionaire war criminal to represent their
team in the next election. Perfect! America's vichy left talks a good
morals game alright. Problem is, morality for them doesn't mean the
Golden Rule, it means political rule.


"I did it because they tricked me."

- John F. Kerry


"...nukeular..." -George W. Bush