From: "Warren"
Organization: Poor to Fair
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:42:12 -0800
Subject: Little pieces of stained glass


2. People on dial-up, especially those that pay by the minute, may
find themselves paying for crap they didn't want in the first place.


i happen to be on dial-up, sweetums, and if i see a posting that has an
attachment with .jpg, .mpg, .wav, etc., i DO NOT HAVE TO OPEN IT UNLESS I
WANT TO!!!!!

madgardener's description was so wonderful i JUST HAD TO SEE IT!!! even at
56K!!!!!

SKYlark wrote:
i happen to be on dial-up, sweetums, and if i see a posting that has
an
attachment with .jpg, .mpg, .wav, etc., i DO NOT HAVE TO OPEN IT
UNLESS I
WANT TO!!!!!

So everyone is the same as you?

We had a discussion about off-line newsreading a couple of weeks ago. In
case you missed that one, one of the ways people deal with dial-up is to
automatically download the whole group, and then read it off-line. The
advantage is that you don't tie-up the phone line while you're reading,
and deciding what messages to download.

If someone goes and posts a binary to a non-binary group, it will
automatically be queued-up with the rest of the messages for download.
The options are to either put up with some self-centered person who
doesn't understand that their binary file doesn't belong in a discussion
group, or take the time every, single day to manually choose which
messages to download, and which messages not to download.

In other words just because you've found a way to lessen the impact of
selfish posters that works for you doesn't mean that your method will
work for everyone, or even anyone, else. It's like saying I'm a good
enough driver that I can avoid getting hit by a drunk driver, so why
can't everyone else?

Please don't justify the selfish actions of others by blaming the
victims..

--
Warren H.

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Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
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response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
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Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
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"Travis" wrote in message
news:KT4Yd.78529$uc.61627@trnddc08...
Lady Blacksword wrote:
I'd love to see the honeybee pic Maggie. Send it on over.
Murri

It is bad form to post in HTML.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

PLONK-idiot

From: "madgardener"
Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:40:36 -0500
Subject: Little pieces of stained glass

I mean, whattaya gonna do, break my trowel?

I fell off my chair on that one! Thanks for the chuckle; I really needed
that! Loved the picture. I'm on dial-up at 26400 kbs but it was worth it.

Also, thanks to the others for pointing out how all this usenet crap works.
I must admit, I had no idea what the reasons were for not posting pictures
or HTML. I just thought it was some control-freak moderator type stuff.
Now I understand. Gracias!
--
"I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican
friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will
stop telling the truth about them." Adlai Stevenson

figaro wrote:
From: "madgardener"
Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com)
Newsgroups: rec.gardens
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:40:36 -0500
Subject: Little pieces of stained glass

I mean, whattaya gonna do, break my trowel?

I fell off my chair on that one! Thanks for the chuckle; I really
needed that! Loved the picture. I'm on dial-up at 26400 kbs but
it was worth it.

Also, thanks to the others for pointing out how all this usenet
crap works. I must admit, I had no idea what the reasons were for
not posting pictures or HTML. I just thought it was some
control-freak moderator type stuff. Now I understand. Gracias!

Unless moderator in in the name of a newsgroup it is not moderated.

--

Travis in Shoreline (just North of Seattle) Washington
USDA Zone 8b
Sunset Zone 5

figaro wrote:
Also, thanks to the others for pointing out how all this usenet crap
works.
I must admit, I had no idea what the reasons were for not posting
pictures
or HTML. I just thought it was some control-freak moderator type
stuff.
Now I understand. Gracias!

There are too many people out there who only know how they work, and
what they want. They flaunt the conventions, and post binaries in
non-binary groups, use html, top-post replies, fail to trim quotations,
or don't quote at all. They do this because they don't see how the
conventions, customs, and societal rules are relevant, and unilaterally
decide to ignore them. Reactions to those folks are why sometimes the
reaction to someone who honestly didn't know seems overly strong.

There are actually some good reasons behind all of the "rules". Not
everyone is using the newest version of some feature-bloated Windows
software, yet because so many people are, it's sometimes easy to forget
about client-side issues such as usenet software that doesn't like html.
And since most people have never been a server admin, they have little
frame of reference of the server-side issues involved.

There are relatively few moderated newsgroups. The majority of newgroups
exist only because people follow conventions. There are some newsgroups
out there where convention was ignored to the point that the name of the
group has become meaningless. They now are nothing but spam and punks
who think their anarchists. They got that way because the neighbors
didn't care.

Most of the time seeing the conventions modeled is all newcomers need.
"Gee, I see 24,000 posts, and not one binary. I guess I shouldn't be
posting binaries here." But occasionally someone either decides to go
ahead and do something "just this once", or they do it because they
didn't even notice that no one else does that kind of thing. And that's
when huge threads like this pop-up.

Is it a distraction to spend so much time on the mechanics of Usenet,
and it's societal conventions? Maybe. But based on the number of posts
so quickly made on this subject, it's not something that isn't of
interest to many.

No one has done anything horrific. No one died because of a couple of
html posts, or because of a binary (that was filtered out of the feed
many people get) that was posted. It was the equivalent of walking down
the hall on the left instead of the right. No one is banished from the
hallway because they walked on the wrong side, even if there was a minor
collision. We all just continue on, a little more aware that we're not
the only one who's using the hallway.

--
Warren H.

==========
Disclaimer: My views reflect those of myself, and not my
employer, my friends, nor (as she often tells me) my wife.
Any resemblance to the views of anybody living or dead is
coincidental. No animals were hurt in the writing of this
response -- unless you count my dog who desperately wants
to go outside now.
Your Guide to the Care and Feeding of a Suburban Lawn:
http://www.holzemville.com/community...are/index.html

"Warren" wrote in message
If someone goes and posts a binary to a non-binary group, it will
automatically be queued-up with the rest of the messages for download.

Also, some people skim through newsgroups by hitting CTRL+U, which
automatically takes them to the next message. This is particularly helpful
when there are a lot of older posts on the server and you don't want to keep
scrolling to find the next unread one. If an HTML or binary post is among
them, the CTRL+U method will download it before the reader is even aware it
is an HTML/binary post.
--S.

"Warren" wrote in message
...
madgardener wrote:
And just when does posting a JPG of a gardening wonder constitute
being frowned upon?

The following things can happen when a binary is posted in a non-binary
group:

1. Some servers won't even accept the message.

2. People on dial-up, especially those that pay by the minute, may
find themselves paying for crap they didn't want in the first place.

3. Most servers allocate a certain amount of space for each group
based on whether the group is a discussion or binary group. Essentially
everytime someone posts a text message in a text group, an old message
is deleted. When someone posts a binary, a couple hundred old messages
may end up deleted. Not a big deal if there was three or four months
worth of messages there, but a big deal if the server in question only
had about a week's worth of messages. One big picture could delete a lot
of messages that people didn't get a chance to read yet.

4. Binary or HTML posts can sometimes cause older computers to freeze up.
This has happened to me occasionally--I've had to completely turn the
computer off and log on again.

I don't know why the simple netiquette rules should be so hard to follow. A
mistake now and then is expected, but the declarations of being able to do
exactly as one wants, regardless of the rest of the group, escapes me.
--S.

do you know where i will be able to purchase a 50ft garden knome to
sit next to my bill and ben the flower pot men statues

SKYlark wrote:
ok!!! i'm HOLLERING...could you .jpg me a pic?

I did a pile of gardening prep work this weekend and noted that my
fence has a bout had it. It is one of those ornamental things, just a
pile of logs trimming the edge of the walkway. It does serve no useful
purpose. Gave the house a kind of rustic feeling on one corner, even
though it is your average brick rancher of no note.

While driving around for supplies, I saw this one fence someone put up,
but I don't know what it is called. It is basically a bunch of logs
criss crossing reminiscent of forts made in childhood at camp. My
father said it is called a natural fence and is made of walnut but I
had disbelief to that. The name and the wood both. The length of the
logs would be too long for my corner of the world. But I wanted to
make one that is shorter of logs and cuter. Mostly because my dog died
recently and sticks was his favorite thing. So i Thought it would be
kind of cute. Does anyone have a clue what I am describing and whether
it is sane to do this. I remember in campe when we made these fences,
we sometimes did these 8 loops with rope to keep them stabler. I
thought maybe some pretty colors of braids would make it prettier
still.

mk5000

"I was conscious of putting on a smile that said Grad Student or
something safe, but with whatever had happened to my face, with the
peyote skating through my being, I just felt cockeyed and gravidly
insane.
The window was opened a crack and a voice boomed out. "--matthew
carnahan, serpent girl