"Cereoid+10+" wrote in message
.. .
He is also an idiot so I wouldn't take the dude seriously.

Wouldn't be surprised if he makes a scene everywhere he goes and is
constantly being thrown out of stores.

Wouldn't be surprised if he would even throws a tantrums in resturants
over
his glass of water!!!


What makes you so sure he is an idiot? Can you characterize him based on one
post? Do you know him personally. I do not, but I am not about to judge his
entire character based on one news posting. I do not agree with his view, as
I noted in my response to him, but I don't believe you can judge him based
on one news posting that may have been penned in haste.

I have not been reading this particular newsgroup for very long, but in that
time I have noticed that most of your responses are similar. Either an
insult, a response with no useable information, or a snooty correction
(corrections are good, but the manner in which we correct others is very
important).

If you have nothing constructive to say, why bother posting? Does it make
you feel good to insult people?

By the way, I would suggest that you try to refrain from stop top-posting.
Usenet etiquette is to bottom post, which makes threads far easier to. I can
provide some links if you would like.

--
Shadow
Made In Canada, eh.

On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:39:59 GMT, Pam wrote:


BTW, when a plant label goes missing at my nursery and we are unable to be sure of
the particular plant/cultivar in question, it is sold at a significant discount.
The 'mystery plant' area is extremely popular with bargain hunters.

pam - gardengal


Umm I love that, mystery plant specials for a dollar. Poor looking
woodland plants baking in the September sun or perennials which
summered in the Bermuda Triangle portion of the nursery. Got
spiderwort and lungwort last year for 10 dollars, 10 plants for ten
dollars, one died. Sometime chaos can work for me.

Houseplants types are often the most secretive. The other day while
asking what a plant was I was told "it's a succulent!". How about the
"topical plant care tag"? Makes it hard to collect plants and
impossible to follow special advice.

Last year I bought a plant called Crawfordia, that was labeled, but no
one knew a thing about it. Treated it as a rock plant but I think it
died (cats?). Much happier knowing what died, in spite of all.

TK

I bought some pepper plants that were supposed to be "sweet" but 2.5 months
later found out that they set your mouth on fire.

That may not be really mislabeling. Sweet peppers occasionally sport to hot
peppers. You were entitled to a refund.
How old is the dogwood now? It may take a couple of years for a pink dogwood to
bloom pink. If it is still white, you should take a flowering branch back to
the store with your receipt & the label. In the future, that type of plant
should be purchased at a reputable nursery, even if you have to pay a little
more.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

In article , "Cereoid+10+"
wrote:

The problem is that nowadays they all tend to purchase their plants from the
same wholesalers who don't give a fig about the proper identification of
plants. It is much cheaper to buy the plants from wholesalers than for them
to grow the plants themselves and there is little incentive to take the time
to bother to properly label the plants because the vast majority of people
who buy plants are uninformed and don't care what the names are. Most people
throw away the labels as soon as they stick the plants in soil.

It would be easy to avoid places like Lowes & Home Depot, & support the
independent nurseries. Find a nursery (or a half-dozen favorite nurseries)
that for the most part have knowledgeable owners & employees, most of
which will keep copies of handy garden guides out for customers to thumb
through & look things up before settling on a purchase. Now & then for
something really common but likeable it's fine to save some money getting
it at Lowes for cheapo, but for trustworthy tags & helpful information &
for plants not already too bloody overused elsewhere in your neighborhood,
stick to the better nurseries. Whenever I do get something from Lowes I
feel like I've deprived the better nursery owners who've done me a lot of
good favors over time. And if you're not looking for the 20 most
mass-produced plants of all time, which are rightly low-priced, you soon
discover that better plants from better sources don't really cost a great
deal more -- often the better stock costs the same, even if independent
nurseries can't beat a Lowe's one-dollar sale price on gallon pots of
mass-produced stuff.

Poor tagging & lousy information can certainly be had from some
independent nurseries as not all are run equally well. And occasionally a
very small nursery is run by an eccentric who can answer any question you
have, & about half the time get it wrong, though it's easy to avoid those
places too if it's annoying. One of my favorite nurseries for healthy
plants many of them locally uncommon is a total "no tags" nursery. The
woman who runs it follows you around eager tot answer questions, but
speaks mediocre English & sometimes can't quite tell you verbally what
something is. A lot of it she grows herself. Took me forever to find out
the spirea I obtained from her was an "Elf's Home Spirea" which I've never
seen in any other nursery around here. Right now I have something she told
me is "Korean watercress, we eat!" as she stuffed a piece of it in my
mouth. I brought it home though it most certainly is not any kind of
watercress or garden cress I've seen anywhere. It is vaiegated red white &
green, with deeply cut leaves, beautiful little groundcover. But I can
find no listing for "Korean watercress" & no photos of any bog cresses
that even slightly resemble it. As I like to know the names of everything
I have, this is a bit frustrating, but I enjoy that nursery a great deal &
have many nice things from her despite that little or no information comes
with them. Many a time I load up a cart & she tosses on one or two extra
things for free, which a lot of independent nursery owners will do when
they know you a while, but Lowes & Home Depot acts like you just asked to
steal them blind even for asking for permission to salvage bits of broken
bricks they put out back in the trash.

An added problem is the chain stores sell bulbs stripped from the wild. I
have a growing collection of cyclamens for instance, mostly nursery-grown
through Ashland Nursery & Heronswood. But some while ago I obtained tubors
from one of the chains, before I knew these are frequently wild-gathered &
the trade in them harms natural populations. And often mislabeled besides
since the hasty collectors can't tell them apart. Plus the tubors are so
stressed from being root-shaved & dried out, they really don't produce a
nice clump any sooner than nursery-grown two-year-old seedlings that do
much better much faster.

I do always saunter through the nursery sections of chain stores, & if
something seems really nice I won't overcome my desire to have it just
because it's in a chainstore, but if I know I could get pretty much the
same thing (or an improved cultivar) from a good nursery, I'll hold back.
Once, though, when I decided I wanted a very upright rosemary, I saw the
perfect specimen dirt-cheap at Lowes. I left it there & went to four
nurseries where they had only prostrate or unusual forms, which just
wasn't what I wanted, so I ended up getting it at Lowes after all. I
remember also when mass-produced mahonias arrived en masse in four species
on sale for something like $2 per gallon pot, I got a mess of those for a
dark miserable corner on a steep slope where nothing else would grow, &
they've done dandy; I would never have risked anything expensive on that
slope. So in all I would never orchestrate a boycott. I just think it's
best to support the independent nurseries first & foremost, & if the lousy
level of knowledge at the chain stores is annoying, all the more reason to
go look at better choices from better companies.

-paghat the ratgirl


Tony wrote in message
news:8E67F3DFDDCD7E8E.655309D77E3FB574.7C0E9686A62 ...
I'm frustrated about something and thought I'd vent here a bit, so excuse
me....

Where I live there seem to be 3 types of places where I can buy plants:

--Places like Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, etc. that have "garden centers"
but that isn't the main thing they focus on.
--Mid-size to large commercial nurseries that specialize in plants.
--Small "mom-and-pop" type places.

Of those 3, I'd really prefer to patronize the last two figuring that I'll
get better plants.

BUT, at least in our area the last 2 places are very bad about labelling
their plants well. Meaning, they give you the general name of the plant,
but not the particular name or variety. Generally, places like Lowes,
etc.
actually have tags on their plant that give all the information one could
desire, so why can't the local nurseries? I understand that they often
raise the plants themselves, but I'd think that would make it more
important
for their own sake to track these things better.

Example, earlier today I was looking for a Passion Vine. There are many
different varieties of this plant. One large local nursery had quite a
selection in their greenhouse. This nursery is the premier nursery in
this
area with several locations and friendly, helpful stuff. They had at
least
5 different varieties of what I was looking for. All of them labelled
"Red
Passion Vine." Never mind that several of them had different leaf shapes
and other differences were obvious. They were all grouped together as if
they were the same. A very nice staff lady tried to describe the blooms,
but that's not very helpful and it doesn't account for how obviously
different plants would have the same bloom.

Another local nursery, owned by two very nice people that have sold me
many
very nice plants, had a similar selection of diverse plants all bearing
tags
that simply had their color--no other information.

I WANT to buy from the local nurseries, but I also want to know exactly
what
I'm buying. I wish I had the experience to look at a plant and
immediately
know what variety it is, but I don't--especially if the plant isn't in
bloom. I wish nurseries in my area would do a better job with this.

Tony



--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article , "Mike Gilmore"
wrote:

The problem of poorly labelled plants can originate from several possible
sources. It is a problem but if you visit a place which does supply you with
good quality plants, with a healthy root ball at a fair price and your gripe
is with their labelling alone. Then I'd recommend that you bring your gripe
to the owner's attention and see how they react. There is no point
abstaining from an otherwise good plant source if you know the labels are
poor kind of shooting yourself in the foot. Buy the healthy plant at modest
price with a poor label, do some research and correct the label when you put
it in your own back yard.

A common miss-labelling problem which I do object to and which I regularly
come across at locations which buy-in in bulk is due to the meddling effects
of the marketing professionals. In an age when new homes and gardens for
first-time buyers are getting smaller, when such people have not the desire
or the time to research their garden plants as enthusiasts may do, they
simply want to buy plants of a certain size that does not crowd their living
area. As a result it is very hard to find a plant carrying a labels that
honestly declares the plant's ultimate size as 20 feet, that it will do so
in five years. Otherwise such plants would never be sold. Consequently most
advertised sizes are 4-5 feet height and spread or less.

I've seen this kind of "marketing" approach in even the most informational
tags, like those produced by Monrovia. A male shrub that produces no
berries, for instances, will nowhere mention it is a male plant, obviously
for fear of not being able to sell it to someone who wants it to have
berries. At the same time the female shrub's tag won't mention it needs a
male partner in order to fruit -- for fear some new gardener with a small
space, having insufficient room for two shrubs that'll get big, might
decide not to buy one at all since they'd actually have to buy two. Then
the new gardener wonders why the nice berries that were on that thing when
they bought it never again appeared. Exaggerating appropriate zones is
also common from growers who ship lots of stock great distances. One of
the local nurseries puts on auxillary tags correcting Monrovia
misinformation. Another nursery stopped carrying Monrovia product because
sales personel lied to them so often & it's a bummer to find out even the
nursery owner better research everything carefully before trusting a sales
pitch for a bunch of stuff that's going to drop dead at first frost &
seriously displease some customers. As we gardeners should support our
best independent nurseries, the retailers should support the best local
region growers first & foremost -- if grown right here, then it will more
certainly continue to do so.

-paghat the ratgirl

Regards,
Mike Gilmore
www.winsfordwalledgarden.freeserve.co.uk

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

and to jump in here, Karen, since I not only shop regularly at my local
Lowes, here in Eastern Tennessee in MOrristown, the trucks are arriving
daily. I know this because I now work in the nursery/greenhouse part of Lawn
and Gardening at this Lowes GBSEG
madgardener
"Karen Fletcher" wrote in message
...
Tony wrote:
: I'm frustrated about something and thought I'd vent here a bit, so
excuse
: me....

: Where I live there seem to be 3 types of places where I can buy plants:

: --Places like Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, etc. that have "garden
centers"
: but that isn't the main thing they focus on.
: --Mid-size to large commercial nurseries that specialize in plants.
: --Small "mom-and-pop" type places.

: Of those 3, I'd really prefer to patronize the last two figuring that
I'll
: get better plants.

Actually, places like Lowe's order from the same large wholesale nurseries
that many smaller nurseries and garden centers do. Labelling comes with
the plant and is thus often better and more accurate than that at places
that grow their own. Their turnover is high, so if your timing is right,
you can get plants fresh off the truck from the grower that are still in
peak condition.

Signage is a significant cost for a nursery or garden center and many will
trim costs that way. But failure to label informatively and accurately is
one of the surest ways to lose customers. Good signage helps customers buy
the right plants for their growing conditions and learn enough about its
care to keep it from croaking. If you're selling the Top Twenty annuals,
this isn't such a big deal but if you're trying to offer less commonly
known plants, it's absolutely crucial. Nothing will kill a standalone
garden center/nursery faster than poor and inaccurate signage and
uninformed staff.

-- Karen

The Garden Gate http://garden-gate.prairienet.org
================================================== =================
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need."
^and cats -- Cicero
================================================== =================
On the Web since 1994 Forbes Best of Web 2002

Actually, places like Lowe's order from the same large wholesale nurseries
that many smaller nurseries and garden centers do.

This isn't strongly true around here, though your qualifier "smaller" is
perhaps important, because around here the independent nurseries are way
larger than any chain garden department -- & that same chain store's
garden department times 100 different stores is still far fewer varieties
of plants than are can be had from a single independent nursery.

Certainly Monrovia product turns up in nurseries good bad or chain, but
many specialty wholesale growers do not sell to the chains at all because
they don't produce their stocks by the thousands but only by the hundreds,
& they end up retailed only in really fine nurseries. Some buy inexpensive
plugs of rarer things or the newest cultivars, put them out back to grow
for a year, then sell them the next year when somewhat mature. A few like
Heronswood seed-grow much of their own stocks, including variants &
cultivars only they can provide. Most of the ferns offered locally are
grown right here in Washington state if obtained through independent
nurseries, but from California or elseswhere if obtained from chains,
which sometimes means the very same species die if obtained from chains
but do well bought from independent nurseries, because the specimens grown
right here in this climate do better here.

Some interesting growers such as Terra Nova do sell plugs to high-end
wholesale growers who service independent nurseries, PLUS they pump out
gallon-product for the Fred Meyers garden departments. So too the clematis
that turn up seasonally at Home Depot seem to come from the same British
Columbia source as the bigger healthier ones at Valley Nursery, but
clearly Valley Nursery is buying them a mite more mature so it's not the
same stock even if it's the same source.

Or the producty cheapy-ass rhododendrons sold annually at Lowes & Home
Depot all looking exactly alike with no character whatsoever -- don't see
the same type of rhodies at the independent nurseries. At Bainbridge,
Valley, Belfair, & some others, they have better & rarer hybrids &
species, & when they do have the same old standbys, they're specimens with
individuality. The "Red Red" imitation Hino Crimsons offered in gallon
pots by Lowes last year for $1.99 were so crappy looking they were just
unbelievable, never seen anything so feeble in the real nurseries, but
also never saw anything so cheap, so I guess it balances out. There is a
big nursery (the bigger Rosedales) that does sell producty-looking rhodies
(though bigger than average) & perhaps they do get them from the same
place Lowes does, i dunno, but most independent nurseries seem to have
better sources for shrubs with unique qualities, unless there's a single
source out there with a special truck marked "crummy stuff with no
character for chains only, not for self-respecting nurseries." For trees,
if the growers of unusual twisted or weeping cedars (for example) are the
same growers providing trees to Lowes, they're certainly serving the
independent nurseries at a far higher level of excellence.

So while the mass-produced producty stuff might be available for the
independent nurseries too, most of them around here really don't want to
sell cut-rate generic daisies & asters or look-alike rhodies, & so get
something better from somewhere else. Not that I've never gotten anything
really spiffy from a chain. I even got something cool at the lothesome K
Mart once -- a Cylamen persica cultivar that has actually flourished out
in the garden though usually that species doesn't last through winter --
they sold it because they really didn't give a shit if it died just so
long as it was sold profitably before it did so. I bought it because I
couldn't believe how pretty it was & I was willing to take the chance.
Lucky for me it adapted fine in our pleasant microclimate, but anyone who
tried it fifty miles inland or a hundred down the coast couldn't've kept
it alive, & for that reason the finer nurseries would've skipped carrying
what to me has been a rewarding garden plant even though from a lowly
chain.

I will also note positively that the local Fred Meyers nursery department
last year stocked in a far greater variety of deciduous azaleas than
usually seen in our independent nurseries, which focus on evergreen
rhodies & azaleas all but exclusively. So odd things happen (more often
happen at Fred Meyers than Lowes). As a general rule though, there are
better choices of better plants at independent nurseries. Chains are more
to be praised for good prices on common things, & often common things are
perfectly wonderful to have.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Iris Cohen wrote:
: In some states, like California, there are laws governing the information that
: must be included on plant labels. Unfortunately, this only applies to outdoor
: plants. Therefore, nursery stock which originates in California, like anything
: from Monrovia, will be properly labeled.
: The local nurseries are not going to do anything they are not forced to do by
: law. And the mom-and-pop nurseries can't afford the time to research the
: subject.

Given that this is the number one POS marketing tool for a small nursery,
they ignore signage at their own peril. Research isn't really in
question, since there are a number of companies who sell prefab labels for
a very wide range of plants. A serious nursery of any size, though, will
make the investment and develop and print its own signage.

-- Karen

The Garden Gate http://garden-gate.prairienet.org
================================================== =================
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need."
^and cats -- Cicero
================================================== =================
On the Web since 1994 Forbes Best of Web 2002

madgard wrote:
: and to jump in here, Karen, since I not only shop regularly at my local
: Lowes, here in Eastern Tennessee in MOrristown, the trucks are arriving
: daily. I know this because I now work in the nursery/greenhouse part of Lawn
: and Gardening at this Lowes GBSEG
: madgardener

LOL! If Lowe's were smart, it would offer a pager notification service
for people who want to know when the trucks come in ;-)

I am an equal opportunity purchaser in this town that has only a few
locally-run nurseries and most of those are either very limited,
poorly-run, overpriced or all of the above. If Lowe's wants to sell me,
for example, a healthy, well-grown 6' red oak tree for peanuts, who am I
to argue? As much as I believe in supporting the local economy, it
doesn't extend to buying the same tree from a local nursery at four times
the price.

Some of my best bargains have been mystery plants from places like Lowe's
and Wal-Mart. I have a knack for plant ID from leaf, so even if it has
but one leaf, I can usually hazard a pretty good guess ;-)

Cheers!

-- Karen

The Garden Gate http://garden-gate.prairienet.org
================================================== =================
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need."
^and cats -- Cicero
================================================== =================
On the Web since 1994 Forbes Best of Web 2002

On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 22:27:29 -0500, Tony wrote:



I WANT to buy from the local nurseries, but I also want to know exactly
what I'm buying. I wish I had the experience to look at a plant and
immediately know what variety it is, but I don't--especially if the plant
isn't in bloom. I wish nurseries in my area would do a better job with
this.

Tony


You have a choice. Either don't buy an un-named plant or buy it because
you really like it. Just inform the owner that you wish their plants were
properly tagged. If enough people did that the problem would be fixed.

I hate when plants aren't properly tagged as well but if I like a plant
enough I really don't care which variety the plant is.

Tony, you are perfectly within the limits of being dead on. For many, many
years the floriculture industry has be moaning about this, as well. I don't
know, nor do I understand how to fix the problem, but I can tell you that in all
the greenhouse growing trade magazines, this is a discussion which enters the
picture every year.

Just when you think the plants are being labeled by their correct taxonomy, the
taxonomy changes. Or there are not enough plants in that particular variety to
warrant individual labeling. It's truly the bane of the industry, but there is
not valid excuse for it.

I ONLY shop at garden centers if they have correct labels OR if the clerks know
what I'm buying. I always have a white wax pencil with me because sometimes
they label a tray of plants, but not individual plants.

I do this because I am a plant collector. I have zinc labels on each plant,
engraved with what it is. I'm in full agreement with you. I don't have good
news for you or a way to fix it.

You may want to forward your post to www.greenhousegrower.com and as a consumer
let them hear your exasperation.

Victoria


On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:27:29 -0600, "Tony" wrote:

I'm frustrated about something and thought I'd vent here a bit, so excuse
me....

Where I live there seem to be 3 types of places where I can buy plants:

--Places like Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, etc. that have "garden centers"
but that isn't the main thing they focus on.
--Mid-size to large commercial nurseries that specialize in plants.
--Small "mom-and-pop" type places.

Of those 3, I'd really prefer to patronize the last two figuring that I'll
get better plants.

BUT, at least in our area the last 2 places are very bad about labelling
their plants well. Meaning, they give you the general name of the plant,
but not the particular name or variety. Generally, places like Lowes, etc.
actually have tags on their plant that give all the information one could
desire, so why can't the local nurseries? I understand that they often
raise the plants themselves, but I'd think that would make it more important
for their own sake to track these things better.

Example, earlier today I was looking for a Passion Vine. There are many
different varieties of this plant. One large local nursery had quite a
selection in their greenhouse. This nursery is the premier nursery in this
area with several locations and friendly, helpful stuff. They had at least
5 different varieties of what I was looking for. All of them labelled "Red
Passion Vine." Never mind that several of them had different leaf shapes
and other differences were obvious. They were all grouped together as if
they were the same. A very nice staff lady tried to describe the blooms,
but that's not very helpful and it doesn't account for how obviously
different plants would have the same bloom.

Another local nursery, owned by two very nice people that have sold me many
very nice plants, had a similar selection of diverse plants all bearing tags
that simply had their color--no other information.

I WANT to buy from the local nurseries, but I also want to know exactly what
I'm buying. I wish I had the experience to look at a plant and immediately
know what variety it is, but I don't--especially if the plant isn't in
bloom. I wish nurseries in my area would do a better job with this.

Tony

In the States, they started using labels ON the container. Even 4" pots were
being labeled. I have no idea what happened.

Victoria


On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 08:24:22 -0000, "david"
wrote:

For the small nursery it can be a problem, over 90% of customers don't want
to know the "Proper" name of a plant, and would rather buy it in flower or
from a picture.
You have those customers that remove labels to read then just stick them
back in the nearest pot, I have seen a plant with 5 different labels in it.
Easy when Thymus label is in rosemary, but much harder when different
varieties of the same plant, Mint cam be fairly easy to re label, but the
different forms of Michelmass Daisy can be almost impossible till around
flowering time like the idea I came across on one nursery where they have
bed labels well fastened down and if you want your plants labelled you pick
up a pencil and labels and write them yourself.
But this still doesn't stop those who pick up a plant and put it down
somewhere else. (We've all seen the cans of baked beans amongst the cans of
meat or fruit where someone had changed their mind and cant be bothered to
take them back to the place they got them from).

On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 07:18:41 -0700, "Dwayne" wrote:

(...)

Lowes, Wal Mart Etc. are all fine places to buy your plants. The only
problem with them is that those located in my town might have plants that
aren't for my area. I bought Thompson grapes one year and had them planted.
Then took a pruning class at the university there. At the College I was
told that Thompson grapes would not survive in that state. They never made
it to the next summer.

(...)

People around here started to demand Lowes and Home Depot and other box stores
have a Texas native plant table or ten. It took them a year, but they got it
together and started shopping the local growers. The labels are excellent,
giving cultural information, plant size at maturity, taxonomic information and
Heat Zone information (which is key down here).

You are right, though. I learned very quickly when I first moved here from Long
Island how I needed to get lists of native and adapted plants from experienced
gardeners, or the Extension. Consumers need to take some responsibility, IMO.
There is still no getting around this problem of labeling.

This is utterly untrue. I shop at all the local mom and pop nurseries in and
around Austin, Texas and not one of them fails to have accurate and significant
labeling. At the same time, on any given Saturday or Sunday, these small garden
centers are packed with people who collect plants. They are forever ordering new
and different or hard to get species.

It's not fair to say they won't do something because they aren't mandated.


On 09 Mar 2003 15:04:59 GMT, (Iris Cohen) wrote:

In some states, like California, there are laws governing the information that
must be included on plant labels. Unfortunately, this only applies to outdoor
plants. Therefore, nursery stock which originates in California, like anything
from Monrovia, will be properly labeled.
The local nurseries are not going to do anything they are not forced to do by
law. And the mom-and-pop nurseries can't afford the time to research the
subject.
If you want named cultivars of a particular plant, you probably have to
patronize the specialist mail-order houses & pay the extra cost.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Cereoid+10+ wrote:
He's been posting stupid things long before you joined the group,
Sonny boy.

I see. I just assumed that since you had a less than civil response to
my earlier questions, and that most of your postings seemed simliliar,
that it was a common theme of yours. Perhaps I took offence where none
was intended, If so, please accept my appologies.


If top posting bothers you, I will continue to do so!!!! A neophyte dweeb
like you isn't going to take over the group.

I certainly was not attempting to exercise any control over the group. I
hardly have the power to do that. I was simply attempting to point out
usual usenet ettiquette, which I find the majority of the posters to
this newsgroup adhere to.


Actually bottom posting makes threads more of a chore to read the message
because you need to do unnecessary scrolling down the page to find a
reply
like yours that isn't worth the effort.


There are actually more than a few articles written on bottom posting vs
top posting. Bottom posting is generally accepted as the preferred
method as it makes the thread easier to read. There are proponents of
the top-posting method, but they are vastly outnumered. If you'd like to
have a look, here is a pretty good discussion on it.

http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/usen.../faq_topp.html

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