animaux wrote:
: On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 07:18:41 -0700, "Dwayne" wrote:

: (...)

:Lowes, Wal Mart Etc. are all fine places to buy your plants. The only
:problem with them is that those located in my town might have plants that
:aren't for my area. I bought Thompson grapes one year and had them planted.
:Then took a pruning class at the university there. At the College I was
:told that Thompson grapes would not survive in that state. They never made
:it to the next summer.

: (...)

: People around here started to demand Lowes and Home Depot and other box stores
: have a Texas native plant table or ten. It took them a year, but they got it
: together and started shopping the local growers. The labels are excellent,
: giving cultural information, plant size at maturity, taxonomic information and
: Heat Zone information (which is key down here).

That's great! Whenever I venture outside of Illinois to visit relatives
in Texas, I'm always struck by the fact that's it's like a whole other
botany ;-)

One of the problems with large chains is that they don't pay enough
attention to what grows well locally and tend to sell a generic selection
of plants for a give zone.

There's a move here, too, towards offering more of our tallgrass prairie
native forbs and grasses, most of which are much better-suited than
furriners to the alternating deluges and droughts of our tropically hot
summers, our high winds, and our freeze/thaw, sometimes Arctic, winters
without reliable snow cover.

Cheers!

-- Karen

The Garden Gate http://garden-gate.prairienet.org
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shadow wrote:
....snippage..
: There are actually more than a few articles written on bottom posting vs
: top posting. Bottom posting is generally accepted as the preferred
: method as it makes the thread easier to read. There are proponents of
: the top-posting method, but they are vastly outnumered. If you'd like to
: have a look, here is a pretty good discussion on it.

: http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/usen.../faq_topp.html

The top- vs. bottom-posting 'debate' is right up there with the debates of
the Small-endians vs. the Big-endians and MIF vs. TIF. Only muich, much
less genteel ;-)

Of all the pointless USENET discussion (and flamewar) topics over the
years, this one is probably my pick for Most Pointless. I don't know if
this topic holds the USENET cumulative lifetime Longest Thread record but
it's probably in the Top Ten.

Cheers!

-- Karen

The Garden Gate http://garden-gate.prairienet.org
================================================== =================
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need."
^and cats -- Cicero
================================================== =================
On the Web since 1994 Forbes Best of Web 2002

The top- vs. bottom-posting 'debate' is right up there with the debates of
the Small-endians vs. the Big-endians and MIF vs. TIF. Only muich, much
less genteel ;-)

Agreed. I guess I'm just still feeling the February blahs (lasting well into
March). It took a pick-axe to clear away enough ice away from the doors of
my baby-barn so that I could get at my seed trays, etc. I started a few
peppers on the weekend, even though I'm still looking at my 5 foot
potentillia still buried under snow, and my driveway which could double as a
skating rink.

Thanks for the nudge

:-)

--
Shadow
Made In Canada, eh.

In the States, they started using labels ON the container. Even 4" pots
were
being labelled. I have no idea what happened.


This is OK but printed pots have to have a very large quantity and are
beyond all but the very large producer.
Stick on also good till the slugs/snails/ and other bugs find they like the
taste of paper.
I tried that with price tickets and had many chewed in less than a week.
Slug pellets you say. well many people are against them and will avoid you
if they see them


--
David Hill
Abacus Nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:30:58 GMT, wrote:

In Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

Haul all the vines to the checkout, ask to speak to the owner ...
and point out that having clearly different vines all labelled
the same has just put his nursery on your do-not-buy list.

Then abandon the plants and go somewhere where they do label
them.

You live in a city, don't you? You wouldn't burn your bridges like that
in a smaller town. But you also would likely be able to talk to the
owner without having to resort to Rambo tactics to get their attention.

"Teaching them a lesson" is very attractive sometimes. A kinder,
gentler approach ("why do all these different plants have the same
label?") may mark you as a knowledgable gardner, prospective good
customer, and even prod the business to be more careful about
labeling. Who knows? Maybe they came from the Plant Factory this way.

On 09 Mar 2003 15:04:59 GMT, (Iris Cohen) wrote:

In some states, like California, there are laws governing the information that
must be included on plant labels. Unfortunately, this only applies to outdoor
plants. Therefore, nursery stock which originates in California, like anything
from Monrovia, will be properly labeled.
The local nurseries are not going to do anything they are not forced to do by
law.

I beg to differ. I don't think reputable garden outlets have to be
"forced" to do anything. Many of even the largest businesses
originated with a small operation and 1 or 2 plant enthuiasts. Big Box
stores may be totally uncaring and ignorant, but some 'benefit of the
doubt' should be given to local stores.

And the mom-and-pop nurseries can't afford the time to research the
subject.

One would think smaller operations were just the ones who'd spend time
choosing their wares carefully .

If you want named cultivars of a particular plant, you probably have to
patronize the specialist mail-order houses & pay the extra cost.

This is probably true. Most generic, Big Box or local, gardening
outlets supply common versions of plants most in demand. Thank
goodness we have the web now to get in touch with tomato or tropical
plant or exotic herb specialty outlets.

Yeah. Why shoot the messenger?

The plants came mislabeled from the wholesaler. The local dealer has no
control over that.

Tsu Dho Nimh just like to carry on like a tantrum throwing prima-donna
queen so he can be thrown out of stores and be banned for life!!!! They
probably see Rambolina coming from miles away!!! Yo, where's the pansies?


Frogleg wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:30:58 GMT, wrote:

In Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

Haul all the vines to the checkout, ask to speak to the owner ...
and point out that having clearly different vines all labelled
the same has just put his nursery on your do-not-buy list.

Then abandon the plants and go somewhere where they do label
them.

You live in a city, don't you? You wouldn't burn your bridges like that
in a smaller town. But you also would likely be able to talk to the
owner without having to resort to Rambo tactics to get their attention.

"Teaching them a lesson" is very attractive sometimes. A kinder,
gentler approach ("why do all these different plants have the same
label?") may mark you as a knowledgable gardner, prospective good
customer, and even prod the business to be more careful about
labeling. Who knows? Maybe they came from the Plant Factory this way.

Frogleg wrote:

On 09 Mar 2003 15:04:59 GMT, (Iris Cohen) wrote:

In some states, like California, there are laws governing the information that
must be included on plant labels. Unfortunately, this only applies to outdoor
plants. Therefore, nursery stock which originates in California, like anything
from Monrovia, will be properly labeled.
The local nurseries are not going to do anything they are not forced to do by
law.

I beg to differ. I don't think reputable garden outlets have to be
"forced" to do anything. Many of even the largest businesses
originated with a small operation and 1 or 2 plant enthuiasts. Big Box
stores may be totally uncaring and ignorant, but some 'benefit of the
doubt' should be given to local stores.

And the mom-and-pop nurseries can't afford the time to research the
subject.

One would think smaller operations were just the ones who'd spend time
choosing their wares carefully .

If you want named cultivars of a particular plant, you probably have to
patronize the specialist mail-order houses & pay the extra cost.

This is probably true. Most generic, Big Box or local, gardening
outlets supply common versions of plants most in demand. Thank
goodness we have the web now to get in touch with tomato or tropical
plant or exotic herb specialty outlets.

It depends on the region. Here in the gardening paradise of the PNW, even the
little mom & pop's carry an interesting array of not-so-common plants, and most
larger retail nurseries specialize to some degree on unusual, hard to find or brand
new introductions. It is a very competitive business here and carrying only the
stock stuff will not get you the customer base you need to outperform the
competition.

Living amongst this plant bounty, it is sometimes hard to remember that the rest of
the country is not necessarily as fortunate. I never cease to be surprised at the
amount of mail order and internet plant sales that exist and are discussed so
frequently here on wreck.gardens. I have yet to order anything other than some
specialty bulbs by mail order - everything else you could want is available with no
more difficulty than just a short drive.

pam - gardengal

When I was still drinking, over 20 years ago, I was banned from Howard Johnsons!

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:55:43 GMT, "Cereoid+10+" wrote:

Yeah. Why shoot the messenger?

The plants came mislabeled from the wholesaler. The local dealer has no
control over that.

Tsu Dho Nimh just like to carry on like a tantrum throwing prima-donna
queen so he can be thrown out of stores and be banned for life!!!! They
probably see Rambolina coming from miles away!!! Yo, where's the pansies?


Frogleg wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:30:58 GMT, wrote:

In Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

Haul all the vines to the checkout, ask to speak to the owner ...
and point out that having clearly different vines all labelled
the same has just put his nursery on your do-not-buy list.

Then abandon the plants and go somewhere where they do label
them.

You live in a city, don't you? You wouldn't burn your bridges like that
in a smaller town. But you also would likely be able to talk to the
owner without having to resort to Rambo tactics to get their attention.

"Teaching them a lesson" is very attractive sometimes. A kinder,
gentler approach ("why do all these different plants have the same
label?") may mark you as a knowledgable gardner, prospective good
customer, and even prod the business to be more careful about
labeling. Who knows? Maybe they came from the Plant Factory this way.

So you're the one that put them out of business!!!!!!

There will be no Howard Johnsons on the US space station thanks to you. (If
they ever build it.)



animaux wrote in message
...
When I was still drinking, over 20 years ago, I was banned from Howard
Johnsons!

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:55:43 GMT, "Cereoid+10+"
wrote:

Yeah. Why shoot the messenger?

The plants came mislabeled from the wholesaler. The local dealer has no
control over that.

Tsu Dho Nimh just like to carry on like a tantrum throwing prima-donna
queen so he can be thrown out of stores and be banned for life!!!! They
probably see Rambolina coming from miles away!!! Yo, where's the pansies?


Frogleg wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:30:58 GMT, wrote:

In Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

Haul all the vines to the checkout, ask to speak to the owner ...
and point out that having clearly different vines all labelled
the same has just put his nursery on your do-not-buy list.

Then abandon the plants and go somewhere where they do label
them.

You live in a city, don't you? You wouldn't burn your bridges like
that
in a smaller town. But you also would likely be able to talk to the
owner without having to resort to Rambo tactics to get their
attention.

"Teaching them a lesson" is very attractive sometimes. A kinder,
gentler approach ("why do all these different plants have the same
label?") may mark you as a knowledgable gardner, prospective good
customer, and even prod the business to be more careful about
labeling. Who knows? Maybe they came from the Plant Factory this way.

In article , "Cereoid+10+"
wrote:

Yeah. Why shoot the messenger?

Because the word for "messenger" is also the word for "devil," vis, Malach, nu?

-paghat

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

HA! Are the out of business? Who knew.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:08:16 GMT, "Cereoid+10+" wrote:

So you're the one that put them out of business!!!!!!

There will be no Howard Johnsons on the US space station thanks to you. (If
they ever build it.)



animaux wrote in message
.. .
When I was still drinking, over 20 years ago, I was banned from Howard
Johnsons!

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:55:43 GMT, "Cereoid+10+"
wrote:

Yeah. Why shoot the messenger?

The plants came mislabeled from the wholesaler. The local dealer has no
control over that.

Tsu Dho Nimh just like to carry on like a tantrum throwing prima-donna
queen so he can be thrown out of stores and be banned for life!!!! They
probably see Rambolina coming from miles away!!! Yo, where's the pansies?


Frogleg wrote in message
...
On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:30:58 GMT, wrote:

In Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

Haul all the vines to the checkout, ask to speak to the owner ...
and point out that having clearly different vines all labelled
the same has just put his nursery on your do-not-buy list.

Then abandon the plants and go somewhere where they do label
them.

You live in a city, don't you? You wouldn't burn your bridges like
that
in a smaller town. But you also would likely be able to talk to the
owner without having to resort to Rambo tactics to get their
attention.

"Teaching them a lesson" is very attractive sometimes. A kinder,
gentler approach ("why do all these different plants have the same
label?") may mark you as a knowledgable gardner, prospective good
customer, and even prod the business to be more careful about
labeling. Who knows? Maybe they came from the Plant Factory this way.