An area of my St Augustine lawn cooked last summer and died. I raked the
dead grass up and planted Bermuda seed. How long does it take to show
evidence of growth? It's been a week and nothing much has happened. Yes,
between rain and watering the soil has been kept moist.

Thanks for any advice,
crabshell

"crabshell" wrote in message
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An area of my St Augustine lawn cooked last summer and died. I raked the
dead grass up and planted Bermuda seed. How long does it take to show
evidence of growth? It's been a week and nothing much has happened. Yes,
between rain and watering the soil has been kept moist.

Thanks for any advice,
crabshell

Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara version)
grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level to
see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same time.
Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there must be a "dry
spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast and famine water
afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth letting up on the
water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun
goes down.

How do you rake up St. Augustine? Hopefully you meant a bow rake.

My St. Augustine was miserable last year. Thought all was dead. Its
finally making a comeback last week or so.

Bermuda grass here is on virgin soil I brought in. Front yard was primarily
rock and caliche. 6" of soil seems to have done wonders.
--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins

"Dave" wrote in message
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"crabshell" wrote in message
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Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara version)
grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level to
see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same
time. Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there must
be a "dry spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast and
famine water afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth
letting up on the water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening
around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.

"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
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Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet
by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.

Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.

learned that one the hard way.

Bud said:

"Dave" wrote in message
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"crabshell" wrote in message
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[...]

Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.

Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.

--

Eggs

Are part-time band leaders semi-conductors?

"Bud" wrote:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
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Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the
morning. you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow.
keep it wet by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.

Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.

learned that one the hard way.

Water in the evening is still better than no water at all.

--
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Steveo said:

"Bud" wrote:
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
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Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the
morning. you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow.
keep it wet by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.

Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.

learned that one the hard way.

Water in the evening is still better than no water at all.

Hell ya. But, I wouldn't do it as my scheduled watering time. =)

--

Eggs

- The Lady of the Lake-- her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held
aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine
providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your
king!

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Bud said:

"Dave" wrote in message
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"crabshell" wrote in message
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[...]

Water the grass in the evening around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet
by
watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.

Yup. Good catch. The "water in the evening" was awful advice.

--

Eggs

How cum I didn't see any fungus or mold or any other similar growth here?
Maybe the coolness of the weather is my guess. I relied mostly on natural
rain/drizzle most of the time.
--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins

"Bud" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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"crabshell" wrote in message
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Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara version)
grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level to
see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same
time. Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there must
be a "dry spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast and
famine water afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth
letting up on the water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening
around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet
by watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.




So you take off work for a few weeks to keep the ground wet strictly in the
morning by renewing moisture 2-3 times at that time of day? Now I really
don't understand keeping the soil wet in only the morning. What about the
heat of the late afternoon drying stuff up, then the ground/soil is dry all
night? Seed generally germinate overnight. Is morning here right after
midnight, at sunrise, when the sun creeps over the trees to provide direct
sunlight? Your area, and the backpatters agreeing with you must live in a
terribly humid environment to have all that trouble with "pesky" mold and
stuff. Never seen algae grow but in standing water. You guys must not
irrigate, but drown instead. Unless of course your soil has poor drainage.
--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins

Eggs Zachtly wrote:

[....]

You'll see golf courses water at night. They can't very well water during
the day, when the course is full of golfers, now can they? They also put
down thousands of dollars in fungicides on a regular basis. Ask any of them
though, and they'll /ALL/ tell you that they'd much rather irrigate in the
daytime. I'm sure if you ask politely, they'll tell you why.


I know this would be extremely mean, hateful and down right
ugly but I just can't seem to put the idea, of turning on the
golf course irrigation system while the course is full of golfers,
out of my mind. watching them scurry around so as to avoid being
irrigated would be pretty funny but the real LOL would be watching
them lodge their complaints with management.

Dave said:

"Bud" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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"crabshell" wrote in message
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Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara version)
grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level to
see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same
time. Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there must
be a "dry spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast and
famine water afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth
letting up on the water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening
around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it wet
by watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.




So you take off work for a few weeks to keep the ground wet strictly in the
morning by renewing moisture 2-3 times at that time of day?

Ever hear of a timer, smartass?

Now I really don't understand keeping the soil wet in only the morning.

Which is evident by your posts about watering lawns, your knowledge of
Bermuda grass germination habits, and about turfgrass management in
general.

It's not about "keeping the soil wet only in the morning". It's about
giving the exposed parts of the plant (which don't need the water on them
at all), the rest of the day to dry off. If you've watered properly, the
soil won't be dry by nightfall, except on the surface. But, the exposed
parts of the plant will be dry, which is the way they like.

What about the
heat of the late afternoon drying stuff up, then the ground/soil is dry all
night?

You must have missed the part about watering 2-3 times a day until it
germinates. And, if your lawn is dry by afternoon, then you aren't giving a
thorough watering, rather just wetting the surface.

Seed generally germinate overnight.

Overnight? Bermuda seed won't germinate until the soil has sufficiently
warmed (above 65F). This time of year, it may take a month of warm weather
before the soil temps are right. With Bermuda, it also depends on if the
seed is hulled, or not. You didn't bother to find out that key point,
before you spewed your misinformation and guesses, did you.

Is morning here right after midnight,

Technically, sure; but not for watering purposes.

at sunrise,

Now you're talking!

when the sun creeps over the trees to provide direct sunlight?

Were that the case, I suppose it's never morning in the jungle, huh?

Your area, and the backpatters agreeing with you must live in a
terribly humid environment to have all that trouble with "pesky" mold and
stuff.

Unless you're living in a very arid climate, fungus /will/ grow if you keep
watering at night. Mold /will/ grow if you continue to water at night. It's
only a matter of time. You're probably not diligent enough to recognize a
fungal/mold/disease problem in turfgrass, anyway. I suppose that if you
don't recognize something, it can't possibly exist.

Never seen algae grow but in standing water.

That may be the first tidbit you've mentioned, that held some truth to it.

Your first reply was full of misinformation and guesses, yet you seem to
think you're some sort of irrigation/turfgrass specialist. What education
have you received, that qualifies your watering schedule above the industry
standards for turfgrass management?

You'll see golf courses water at night. They can't very well water during
the day, when the course is full of golfers, now can they? They also put
down thousands of dollars in fungicides on a regular basis. Ask any of them
though, and they'll /ALL/ tell you that they'd much rather irrigate in the
daytime. I'm sure if you ask politely, they'll tell you why.

You guys must not irrigate, but drown instead.

You must not understand irrigation and plant needs at all.

Unless of course your soil has poor drainage.

Unless of course you're another of Stubby's siblings, which seem to
frequent this place.

--

Eggs

-A little bit of pain never hurt anyone

Jim said:

Eggs Zachtly wrote:

[....]

You'll see golf courses water at night. They can't very well water during
the day, when the course is full of golfers, now can they? They also put
down thousands of dollars in fungicides on a regular basis. Ask any of them
though, and they'll /ALL/ tell you that they'd much rather irrigate in the
daytime. I'm sure if you ask politely, they'll tell you why.


I know this would be extremely mean, hateful and down right
ugly but I just can't seem to put the idea, of turning on the
golf course irrigation system while the course is full of golfers,
out of my mind. watching them scurry around so as to avoid being
irrigated would be pretty funny but the real LOL would be watching
them lodge their complaints with management.

Oh, it happens. All of our heads can be put up remotely, via a keypad on
our radios. Once in a while the wrong number gets pushed, inadvertently.
They /do/ scurry, but rarely bitch about it. It's only a matter of seconds
before the head can be put back down, so they don't that all /that/ wet.
=)

--

Eggs

Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone.

"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
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Never seen algae grow but in standing water.

That may be the first tidbit you've mentioned, that held some truth to it.

I'm no pro but I had some stuff that I thought was an algael [sp] scum for
awhile till I stopped water at nite and watered less than other areas, and
got some yearly aeration, now its as good as it gets. there is a lot of
clay in that area too.

The guy was trying to get the grass to germinate and sprout. You meander
off to after that fact, not the process. Its been drizzly now for almost a
week here. Very humid. No sign of any the the "bad things" you cited.
Germinated, sprouted, and grass that's been going for a few weeks from seed.
You are full of it from what I observe here vs. what you say. Consider
writing a book on the non-existence of global warming per your charming
replies.

--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins
"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
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Dave said:

"Bud" wrote in message
.. .

"Dave" wrote in message
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"crabshell" wrote in message
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Lucky day for you. I've been working on getting Bermuda (Sahara
version)
grass from seed since middle of March. Here's what I've seen:
Ten days or so, have to look along the bare soil almost a ground level
to
see some "needles" popping from the soil. Overhead, will see nothing.
Obvious sprouts around 3 weeks. Not all seed will sprout at the same
time. Some slower than others. My take of what's going on is there
must
be a "dry spell" of a few days for germination to occur. Then, feast
and
famine water afterwards. Don't keep it drowned. Promotes root growth
letting up on the water a day or two. Water the grass in the evening
around the time the sun goes down.

bad idea, promotes fungus and algea and mold etc. water in the morning.
you want your grass dry at nite so thatbad stuff won't grow. keep it
wet
by watering lightly 2 -3 times a day till it sprouts then 1 inch a week.




So you take off work for a few weeks to keep the ground wet strictly in
the
morning by renewing moisture 2-3 times at that time of day?

Ever hear of a timer, smartass?

Now I really don't understand keeping the soil wet in only the morning.

Which is evident by your posts about watering lawns, your knowledge of
Bermuda grass germination habits, and about turfgrass management in
general.

It's not about "keeping the soil wet only in the morning". It's about
giving the exposed parts of the plant (which don't need the water on them
at all), the rest of the day to dry off. If you've watered properly, the
soil won't be dry by nightfall, except on the surface. But, the exposed
parts of the plant will be dry, which is the way they like.

What about the
heat of the late afternoon drying stuff up, then the ground/soil is dry
all
night?

You must have missed the part about watering 2-3 times a day until it
germinates. And, if your lawn is dry by afternoon, then you aren't giving
a
thorough watering, rather just wetting the surface.

Seed generally germinate overnight.

Overnight? Bermuda seed won't germinate until the soil has sufficiently
warmed (above 65F). This time of year, it may take a month of warm weather
before the soil temps are right. With Bermuda, it also depends on if the
seed is hulled, or not. You didn't bother to find out that key point,
before you spewed your misinformation and guesses, did you.

Is morning here right after midnight,

Technically, sure; but not for watering purposes.

at sunrise,

Now you're talking!

when the sun creeps over the trees to provide direct sunlight?

Were that the case, I suppose it's never morning in the jungle, huh?

Your area, and the backpatters agreeing with you must live in a
terribly humid environment to have all that trouble with "pesky" mold and
stuff.

Unless you're living in a very arid climate, fungus /will/ grow if you
keep
watering at night. Mold /will/ grow if you continue to water at night.
It's
only a matter of time. You're probably not diligent enough to recognize a
fungal/mold/disease problem in turfgrass, anyway. I suppose that if you
don't recognize something, it can't possibly exist.

Never seen algae grow but in standing water.

That may be the first tidbit you've mentioned, that held some truth to it.

Your first reply was full of misinformation and guesses, yet you seem to
think you're some sort of irrigation/turfgrass specialist. What education
have you received, that qualifies your watering schedule above the
industry
standards for turfgrass management?

You'll see golf courses water at night. They can't very well water during
the day, when the course is full of golfers, now can they? They also put
down thousands of dollars in fungicides on a regular basis. Ask any of
them
though, and they'll /ALL/ tell you that they'd much rather irrigate in the
daytime. I'm sure if you ask politely, they'll tell you why.

You guys must not irrigate, but drown instead.

You must not understand irrigation and plant needs at all.

Unless of course your soil has poor drainage.

Unless of course you're another of Stubby's siblings, which seem to
frequent this place.

--

Eggs

-A little bit of pain never hurt anyone

Clay, poor drainage. Already thought that. Thought it odd all the
backpatters had similar soil.

--
Dave

Apathy and denial are close cousins
"Bud" wrote in message
...

"Eggs Zachtly" wrote in message
...
Never seen algae grow but in standing water.

That may be the first tidbit you've mentioned, that held some truth to
it.

I'm no pro but I had some stuff that I thought was an algael [sp] scum for
awhile till I stopped water at nite and watered less than other areas, and
got some yearly aeration, now its as good as it gets. there is a lot of
clay in that area too.