Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted
but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all the
parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN.
John
Saint Charles,MO

"John Prokovich" wrote in message
...
Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted
but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all the
parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN.
John
Saint Charles,MO


Assume nothing in this day and age. But let me ask - which would you
prefer - that it be made in Mexico - or in the USA by illegal Mexican
immigrants ?

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 12:23:29 -0600, John Prokovich wrote:

Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted
but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all the
parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN. John
Saint Charles,MO

I know the very mower that you speak of. I picked one of these up slightly
used and rather cheap. As far as I can tell, these are mostly american
made but as far as being made by toro is just a dream. They have been
"licensed" by toro and most likely made by mdt. This was told to me by my
local toro dealer. The toro and lawnboys from home depo are really the
very same mower made by the very same plant. All that seems to be
different is the color of the machines and the motors. The lawnboy has a
honda and I'm unsure what the toro has. The honda motor was the reason I
bought the lawnboy. I like having spare motors around if my commercial
honda goes tits up on me for some reason.

Things that I don't like about the lawnboy a
1 The stupid handle bar. It's super cheap metal. The lawnboy is set up so
you can step on a bar that makes it so you can fold the handle up as to
get to the bagger. This is a terrible design. My handle is already bent.

2 The rear drive wheels are plastic. When you have a metal drive gear and
plastic wheel gear, things tend to get striped real quick. I've replaced
the left wheel already.

Understandably the issues I have with this mower may not be issues that
home owners would have. I'm rather abusive to this machine. I use it to do
my thatching mows (bagging the crumbs after a thatching job), or mowing
two foot tall grass with the side discharge. I must admit that the honda
motor starts on the first pull everytime.

--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:56:48 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:


"John Prokovich" wrote in message
...
Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted
but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all the
parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN. John
Saint Charles,MO


Assume nothing in this day and age. But let me ask - which would you
prefer - that it be made in Mexico - or in the USA by illegal Mexican
immigrants ?

I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in
china.

--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

"Timothy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 19:56:48 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:


"John Prokovich" wrote in message
...
Looking to buy a new walk behind. Saw a LB at HD that had what I wanted
but on the carton were the words"assembled in mexico". I assume all
the
parts were made in the US? LB is owned by Toro located in MN. John
Saint Charles,MO


Assume nothing in this day and age. But let me ask - which would you
prefer - that it be made in Mexico - or in the USA by illegal Mexican
immigrants ?

I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in
china.


What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish at this
point.

Happy Year of the Rooster

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in
china.


What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish at
this point.

Happy Year of the Rooster

At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our debt.
At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs than all
of south america combined. Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market. China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions of
dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy just
15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still to this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and pro-chinese.

--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

Timothy wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:

I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in
china.



What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish at
this point.

Happy Year of the Rooster


At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our debt.
At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs than all
of south america combined. Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market. China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions of
dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy just
15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still to this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and pro-chinese.

20 years ago a westerner would have been called a liberal pinko fag for
doing business the way we do with China. Now they have the money and the
power so you better cower down to their wants because the USA is toast
economically. They can now rule the world, which is something that 'W'
wants to do but is doing a very pathetic job of it. Wait till the
Chinese think the time is right. They will pull the rug off from under
our economy and you will have to be a Chinese slave or a western
'terrorist' freedom fighter.

"Timothy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in
china.


What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish at
this point.

Happy Year of the Rooster

At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our debt.
At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs than all
of south america combined.

We openned the door to them about 8 or 10 years ago (forget the name of the
treaty) so it's not their fault.

Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market.

Like we have insisted that the other countries learn English to survive in
the past. Now it's somebody elses turn - sounds fair to me.

China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions of
dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy just
15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still to this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and pro-chinese.

It doesn't make sense to me to be anti-communist to begin with. Actually I
think it's our "capitalism" vs their "socialism". But since we have more
murders than any other country and more lawsuits and more lawyers and weaker
school systems and more people trying to make it on "networking" than
talent - I can't feel too superior to some other approach. Plus our society
is becoming more and more socialistic and less and less capitalist every
day - and BTW aren't the Chinese just being capitalistic in taking advantage
of an open market ?

I never could understand why we are being pricks to Cuba.

"Srgnt Billko" wrote in message
...

"Timothy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made in
china.


What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish at
this point.

Happy Year of the Rooster

At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our debt.
At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs than
all
of south america combined.

We openned the door to them about 8 or 10 years ago (forget the name of
the
treaty) so it's not their fault.

Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market.

Like we have insisted that the other countries learn English to survive in
the past. Now it's somebody elses turn - sounds fair to me.

China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions of
dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy just
15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still to
this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and pro-chinese.

It doesn't make sense to me to be anti-communist to begin with. Actually
I
think it's our "capitalism" vs their "socialism". But since we have more
murders than any other country and more lawsuits and more lawyers and
weaker
school systems and more people trying to make it on "networking" than
talent - I can't feel too superior to some other approach. Plus our
society
is becoming more and more socialistic and less and less capitalist every
day - and BTW aren't the Chinese just being capitalistic in taking
advantage
of an open market ?




Don't forget that even poor people in the United States demand and get the
basic rights of cell phones, cable TV with HBO, game boys, CD players for
their rap and hip-hop, Cadillacs, air conditioning, computers, health
insurance, and $300 tennis shoes.

No one wants to work when the government provides it all to you anyway.

This country is going down the drain and it is all our own fault. China is
laughing as they clean our clock and watch us self-destruct.

Greedy and lazy American pigs is pretty much right on.

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:41:35 +0000, Oscar_Lives wrote:


"Srgnt Billko" wrote in message
...

"Timothy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made
in china.


What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish
at this point.

Happy Year of the Rooster

At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our
debt. At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing jobs
than all
of south america combined.

We openned the door to them about 8 or 10 years ago (forget the name of
the
treaty) so it's not their fault.

Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market.

Like we have insisted that the other countries learn English to survive
in the past. Now it's somebody elses turn - sounds fair to me.

China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions
of dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy
just 15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist still
to this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and
pro-chinese.

It doesn't make sense to me to be anti-communist to begin with.
Actually I
think it's our "capitalism" vs their "socialism". But since we have
more murders than any other country and more lawsuits and more lawyers
and weaker
school systems and more people trying to make it on "networking" than
talent - I can't feel too superior to some other approach. Plus our
society
is becoming more and more socialistic and less and less capitalist every
day - and BTW aren't the Chinese just being capitalistic in taking
advantage
of an open market ?




Don't forget that even poor people in the United States demand and get the
basic rights of cell phones, cable TV with HBO, game boys, CD players for
their rap and hip-hop, Cadillacs, air conditioning, computers, health
insurance, and $300 tennis shoes.

No one wants to work when the government provides it all to you anyway.

This country is going down the drain and it is all our own fault. China
is laughing as they clean our clock and watch us self-destruct.

Greedy and lazy American pigs is pretty much right on.

Sounds like someone has selfimage issues 'round here 80) .....
Don't get me wrong, America has dropped the ball, but IMHO, it's just
plain silly to blame the american people as a whole. Poor people want what
the middle class have and corporate america say's we all need. The
American worker is one of the most efficent, hardest laboring workers on
the planet. We work longer hours with less vaction time than any other
industrialized country in the world.

I was told that you can tell how good a country is by how they treat their
elderly and their children. America abandons their old and under educates
their young. This is the root of our social ills imho.

Corprate America has abandon America and sold us to the highest bidder.
This is shown to use by the wal-marts and the big box monsters. There was
a time in this country were that wasn't true at all, but now were
exporting our greatest minds abroad along with our innovation.... But I
digress. We will have to agree to disagree.


--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

"Timothy" wrote in message
news:1108402149.4a1047ddab01c1fd32ba531d7bfa926b@t eranews...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 04:41:35 +0000, Oscar_Lives wrote:


"Srgnt Billko" wrote in message
...

"Timothy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:14:46 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
I personaly would prefer either of those options over it being made
in china.


What do we have against Chinese at this point ? They are the
fastest
growing economic force - seems smarter to learn Chinese than Spanish
at this point.

Happy Year of the Rooster

At this point in time, the chinese goverment holds over 40% of our
debt. At this point china has taken over more of our manufacturing
jobs
than all
of south america combined.

We openned the door to them about 8 or 10 years ago (forget the name of
the
treaty) so it's not their fault.

Soon we will have to learn chinese just to do
business in this global market.

Like we have insisted that the other countries learn English to survive
in the past. Now it's somebody elses turn - sounds fair to me.

China will be the next global super power
and we will be the ones to fund their abillity to become that. At
least
mexico is a democracy (for what it's worth), but yet we ship millions
of dollars to a communist country everyday. Wasn't communism the enemy
just 15 years ago? Don't we still punish cuba for being communist
still
to this
day? I just doesn't make sense to me to be anti-mexican and
pro-chinese.

It doesn't make sense to me to be anti-communist to begin with.
Actually I
think it's our "capitalism" vs their "socialism". But since we have
more murders than any other country and more lawsuits and more lawyers
and weaker
school systems and more people trying to make it on "networking" than
talent - I can't feel too superior to some other approach. Plus our
society
is becoming more and more socialistic and less and less capitalist
every
day - and BTW aren't the Chinese just being capitalistic in taking
advantage
of an open market ?




Don't forget that even poor people in the United States demand and get
the
basic rights of cell phones, cable TV with HBO, game boys, CD players
for
their rap and hip-hop, Cadillacs, air conditioning, computers, health
insurance, and $300 tennis shoes.

No one wants to work when the government provides it all to you anyway.

This country is going down the drain and it is all our own fault. China
is laughing as they clean our clock and watch us self-destruct.

Greedy and lazy American pigs is pretty much right on.

Sounds like someone has selfimage issues 'round here 80) .....
Don't get me wrong, America has dropped the ball, but IMHO, it's just
plain silly to blame the american people as a whole. Poor people want what
the middle class have and corporate america say's we all need. The
American worker is one of the most efficent, hardest laboring workers on
the planet. We work longer hours with less vaction time than any other
industrialized country in the world.

snip --

Don't make me laugh - "most efficient, hardest laboring" - LOL I can show
you dozens of the least competent, most likely to bs you workers on the
planet. My favorite is when I ask a specific question and get a reply, "As
far as I know it is." Just lip service that helps nothing and just wastes
time. You can get that a dozen times per day around here. You can do it,
we can help ? Ask the "associate" a question about a product and he or she
starts reading the label back to you. WTH do they think I need help with -
reading ?

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:33 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
snip --

Don't make me laugh - "most efficient, hardest laboring" - LOL I can
show you dozens of the least competent, most likely to bs you workers on
the planet. My favorite is when I ask a specific question and get a
reply, "As far as I know it is." Just lip service that helps nothing and
just wastes time. You can get that a dozen times per day around here.
You can do it, we can help ? Ask the "associate" a question about a
product and he or she starts reading the label back to you. WTH do they
think I need help with - reading ?

So your not a hard working and/or efficient worker? Or are you just
special? As my grandma would say, it's useless to argue with the facts.
Americans invented the 40 hour work week and many of us work more than
that. Americans invented the assembly line and the modern manufacturing
model which has been the engine of development for the whole world. We
make the best tools, the best cars, the highest grade steel...ect. The
american corps are striping the machines out of the factories and are
selling it off to the highest bidding third world nation.

Sorry that the big box store workers can answer your questions. It's not
in the best intrest of home depo to have an informed public, their in the
shit business. They sell you cheap shit and they don't give a shit about
you. Try shoping more locally for your products and be willing to pay more
for competent customer service.

Before you send off some post refuting my position, remember this:
If you don't like it here, if you don't like the workers here, feel free
to get on a plane and make a better life somewhere else. I'm sure china
will great you with open arms ;0)

--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

"Timothy" wrote in message
news:1108429592.3c4805c7d41d512ed79dafd0378aa775@t eranews...


As my grandma would say, it's useless to argue with the facts.
We
make the best tools, the best cars, the highest grade steel...ect.

Are you smoking crack?
US cars are shit compared to even the Koreans.
US tools suck compared to Japans and even Europeans.
Japan's steel is much better and cheaper than ours.


The
american corps are striping the machines out of the factories and are
selling it off to the highest bidding third world nation.

Where people aren't so ****ing greedy to demand $50,000 plus benefits a year
for a no-skill job like American workers do.


Sorry that the big box store workers can answer your questions. It's not
in the best intrest of home depo to have an informed public, their in the
shit business. They sell you cheap shit and they don't give a shit about
you. Try shoping more locally for your products and be willing to pay more
for competent customer service.

Pay more for poor service and no selection is more like it.




Before you send off some post refuting my position, remember this:
If you don't like it here, if you don't like the workers here, feel free
to get on a plane and make a better life somewhere else. I'm sure china
will great you with open arms ;0)

Yeah, I could double my salary if I wanted a transfer to China. Too bad I
don't like cat.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:57:39 +0000, Oscar_Lives wrote:
Are you smoking crack?
US cars are shit compared to even the Koreans. US tools suck compared to
Japans and even Europeans. Japan's steel is much better and cheaper than
ours.

Umm, so what do you drive? Many forein car have major troubles after
100,000 mile while american cars are still chugging along. Your so far off
the map about japanese steel. The coke and coal that they get mostly comes
from china and it has so much sulfer in it that it creates **** poor
metal. Most all high quality steel in japan comes from our coke and ore.
You can try to argue, but the best steel in the world comes from usx and
weirton steel.


Where people aren't so ****ing greedy to demand $50,000 plus benefits a
year for a no-skill job like American workers do.

And what is soo bad that someone wants to be middle class and own their
own home, send their kids to college..etc? And *where* the hell can I find
one of these $50,000 a year no skilled jobs? Well? When the american
worker's pay has risen 20% in the past 30 years while the ceo's pay has
risen 2,600% in the past 30 year, I just don't see the room for these
magical 50K a year non-skilled jobs.


Pay more for poor service and no selection is more like it.

I get my tools from local sources and the selection is just as good if not
better that the big box stores. It's truely amazing how well you can talk
out your ass like that. Maybe you could take your show out on the road....
see if you can earn 50K a year plus bennies doing it...lol


Yeah, I could double my salary if I wanted a transfer to China. Too bad I
don't like cat.

So what is it that you do in this world where the chinese would pay you
double than you make here? Please don't leave me hanging, I just got to
know. How much you making now? I highly doubt that you would dare answer
that question or you would tip your hand and show us how your BS'ing
yourself and the rest of us.

Have a nice trip, hope you don't get jet lag too bad on your flight to
china.

--
Yard Works Gardening Co.
http://www.ywgc.com

"Timothy" wrote in message
news:1108429592.3c4805c7d41d512ed79dafd0378aa775@t eranews...
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:44:33 +0000, Srgnt Billko wrote:
snip --

Don't make me laugh - "most efficient, hardest laboring" - LOL I can
show you dozens of the least competent, most likely to bs you workers on
the planet. My favorite is when I ask a specific question and get a
reply, "As far as I know it is." Just lip service that helps nothing
and
just wastes time. You can get that a dozen times per day around here.
You can do it, we can help ? Ask the "associate" a question about a
product and he or she starts reading the label back to you. WTH do they
think I need help with - reading ?

So your not a hard working and/or efficient worker? Or are you just
special?

I'm special - retired - when I was working we were #1 - it's you youngsters
who have screwed it up.

As my grandma would say, it's useless to argue with the facts.
Americans invented the 40 hour work week and many of us work more than
that. Americans invented the assembly line and the modern manufacturing
model which has been the engine of development for the whole world.

Make that "HAD BEEN" - as MY grandma said, nothing lasts forever - and the
sooner you see the FACT of change the better.

We
make the best tools, the best cars, the highest grade steel...ect. The
american corps are striping the machines out of the factories and are
selling it off to the highest bidding third world nation.

Sorry that the big box store workers can answer your questions. It's not
in the best intrest of home depo to have an informed public, their in the
shit business. They sell you cheap shit and they don't give a shit about
you. Try shoping more locally for your products and be willing to pay more
for competent customer service.


It might help you to know that my son and I probably do more buying in a
month than most consumer's do in a year - and I was buying long before Home
Depot came on the scene - but most of their product is the same that is in
the local stores. Of the dozens of local stores I can only think of one
that has more helpful personel.

Before you send off some post refuting my position, remember this:
If you don't like it here, if you don't like the workers here, feel free
to get on a plane and make a better life somewhere else.

Tell you what - I'll go to China if you go to Chile or wherever the fruit
you are eating came from.
I'm not going to let incompetent workers displace me as long as I can buy
imported products right here.