I can't see pictures posted to rgo via my Verizon service, so while I don't
care if people post there, I will not be able to see them. I will however
be able to see all text based flame wars that surround them.

That message from Verizon is stupid in many ways, chiefly stupid because
they tell you to UNSUBSCRIBE and try using guilt to make you do it; I
paraphrase: "other people may experience slow throughput if you don't
unsubscribe... which is a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy." Why not
just disable the hierarchies they want to get rid of. Or better yet, just
drop the ones that get reported for porn? They certainly have the authority
and ability to not serve up services they don't want us to use. But I guess
my outrage at this stupidity is unproductive.

Is it just Verizon customers that will be affected or everyone. I would
just die
if I couldn't post here. I love this group.
Cheers Wendy
"Joan F (MI)" wrote in message
...
You can easily create a Google group and you can post images to them now,
a
friend just created one that I joined and you can either follow it on the
group site or receive new posts in email. I am reading mine in gmail on
the
web to keep it separate from my regular email, but you can use any email
address. The image appears as a thumbnail in the message and when you
click
View you get it full sized. I've always hated web based groups but must
say
this works quite well.

tbell wrote:
| On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:33:38 -0700, Ray B wrote
| (in article S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07):
|
|
| I pay for Giganews, but appreciate the squeeze that others are in.
|
| I think the suggestion of starting a new photo group within one of the
| "Big 8" titles is reasonable if its possible. Where do you find out
| about the limits on a binary group?
|
| The idea of posting to a website, and posting the URL to RGO is a
| possibility, but I suspect a lot of folks would be unwilling/unable to
| establish their own websites, and that would make commentary pretty
| cumbersome.
|
| So let's have some more information and ideas from you young squirts
| who know computing inside and out.
|
| Tom

Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and
rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups using
our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that your
use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you may
experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds. Failure
to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the Verizon
network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a violation
of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you in
the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos? If
anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and
rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

Basically, only a binaries group should have files posted to it under the
rules that were established when usenet was created many decades ago. Those
rules are now a part of netiquette and many people get irate when they are
broken.

I created abpo because there were people posting photos to rgo and a great
many flame wars were being started by it.

Kye

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos?
If anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back
when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images, some
ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has anyone
seen it?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos?
If anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back
when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

Most likely!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and
rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about some
important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service and
Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

Will start getting it organised then for you

Kye.

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44033$lE3.41957@trnddc05...
Most likely!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed below.
The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be available.
Users will not be able to post or download from any other newsgroups
using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will need
to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note that
your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of Service
and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and the
0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains how to
subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is a
violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

I haven't seen it, Ray.

Diana

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
There you are, Kye. Why did we need a separate group from rgo for photos?
If anyone can explain it, you can, since you set this one up way back
when.

Diana

"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed
below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be
available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other
newsgroups using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will
need to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note
that your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of
Service and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and
the 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains
how to subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is
a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

Don't be in a hurry. I'm headed on vacation this weekend, so won't even
consider being online until about 7/1

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Will start getting it organised then for you

Kye.

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44033$lE3.41957@trnddc05...
Most likely!

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"BIO-Dex Consulting" wrote in message
...
Ray,

I have been looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo
and rgo archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that
alleviate the pressures for you???

Kye

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:S4W5k.6520$Mu.6482@trndny07...
Dear Verizon Online Customer,

As a Verizon Newsgroup service user, we wanted to let you know about
some important changes that we will soon be making to our Newsgroup
service.

On June 24, 2008, we will be modifying our Newsgroup offerings to only
offer groups in the Big-8 Newsgroup hierarchies, which are listed
below. The 0.verizon.* newsgroup hierarchy will also continue to be
available. Users will not be able to post or download from any other
newsgroups using our Newsgroup service.

comp.*
humanities.*
misc.*
news.*
rec.*
sci.*
soc.*
talk.*

More details regarding the Big 8 newsgroup hierarchies is available at:
http://www.big-8.org/.

This change will not affect your Internet access service. If you would
like to subscribe to newsgroups other than those we offer, you will
need to subscribe to a separate commercial news service. Please note
that your use of any such service is still subject to our Terms of
Service and Acceptable Use Policy.

There are no changes required to your software, but you will need to
unsubscribe from all Newsgroups other than the Big 8 hierarchies and
the 0.verizon.* hierarchy noted above. The following link explains
how to subscribe and unsubscribe in Outlook Express:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190

IMPORTANT: If you continue to subscribe to unsupported newsgroups, you
may experience poor computer performance and slow throughput speeds.
Failure to unsubscribe may also interfere with the functioning of the
Verizon network or use of the network by other Verizon users, which is
a violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

We appreciate your business and look forward to continuing to serve you
in the future.

Sincerely,


Verizon Online

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!

Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

Its not that they will get stripped universally, but that some servers will
not allow binaries to transmit through on non-binary groups, therefore
limiting their users ability to view them

Kye

"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

Thanks for the clarification, Kye.

OK so it is blocked from even getting onto Usenet! That makes life
difficult. Please explain in more detail your proposal, "I have been
looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and rgo archives.
As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the pressures for
you???"

There are archives already available e.g.
http://www.usenet-replayer.com/group...2Eorchids.html

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05...
My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--

John,

Yes there are already archives available in a great many formats and payment
options. But I have been toying with the idea for a few years now (since
before I made abpo) and now havethe facility to build a news-server to serve
abpo and rgo to people. Basically, I will be building the server with a
"never delete messages" option for myself, Rays (and a few others) dilemma
just causes me to want to make it go public a few years earlier than I had
intended.

Kye

"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Thanks for the clarification, Kye.

OK so it is blocked from even getting onto Usenet! That makes life
difficult. Please explain in more detail your proposal, "I have been
looking at setting up a news-group server for hosting abpo and rgo
archives. As it would be publicly accessible, would that alleviate the
pressures for you???"

There are archives already available e.g.
http://www.usenet-replayer.com/group...2Eorchids.html

Cheers

John




"Ray B" wrote in message
news:haL6k.44069$lE3.347@trnddc05...
My guess is that Verizon, my ISP, blocked me from posting it on their
servers, so there is nothing to be copied to yours.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies. Books, Artwork, and lots of Free Info!


"John Varigos" wrote in message
om...
Haven't seen it yet Ray.

I have in the past accidentally posted photos to RGO and these have
appeared, so not sure that they will necessarily get stripped off.

John

"Ray B" wrote in message
news:rxC6k.44032$lE3.22121@trnddc05...
As was mentioned yesterday, as such groups are not intended for images,
some ISP's block them.

I posted a message on RGO yesterday with an image (via Verizon), has
anyone seen it?

--