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Urgent advice needed
Hello readers,
I just went shopping and (again) couldn't resist to enter the local green discounter. There were two giant vandaceous orchids (almost 1 meter in length) for only €16,50 each ($20,-). They were full in leave from bottom to top and had been flowering many times according to the cut stalks in the leaf axils. The were in flower at the moment too, but there was something that puzzled me. The present flower stalk was at the top of the stem. The stem ended in a few smaller leaves and the stalk came out of the top leave, just like you see with reed-epidendrums. I had never seen a vandaceous flower that way. The flowers were a mauve purple with a tiny bit of reddish spotting. The sepals and petals were rather small and a bit inwards curved. So I think it was a bi- or multigeneric cross with in any case vanda and arachnis as parents. I fond a picture of Aranda Norah Alsagof / Noorah Alsakoff that resembles it very much (I will post that on abpo). Can anyone tell me if it is normal for these kind of plants to flower from the top? And if not so, is it still a healthy plant? Should I run back to the store and buy it, before someone else does? Please help me! Grtz. Niek |
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I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously
low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Niek Hanckmann" wrote in message . .. Hello readers, I just went shopping and (again) couldn't resist to enter the local green discounter. There were two giant vandaceous orchids (almost 1 meter in length) for only €16,50 each ($20,-). They were full in leave from bottom to top and had been flowering many times according to the cut stalks in the leaf axils. The were in flower at the moment too, but there was something that puzzled me. The present flower stalk was at the top of the stem. The stem ended in a few smaller leaves and the stalk came out of the top leave, just like you see with reed-epidendrums. I had never seen a vandaceous flower that way. The flowers were a mauve purple with a tiny bit of reddish spotting. The sepals and petals were rather small and a bit inwards curved. So I think it was a bi- or multigeneric cross with in any case vanda and arachnis as parents. I fond a picture of Aranda Norah Alsagof / Noorah Alsakoff that resembles it very much (I will post that on abpo). Can anyone tell me if it is normal for these kind of plants to flower from the top? And if not so, is it still a healthy plant? Should I run back to the store and buy it, before someone else does? Please help me! Grtz. Niek |
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Well if a spike is coming out from the crown, then that means the plant
is dead pretty much, unless it grows some keiki. But given the size of the plant, that may be very possible. All vandaceous plants are monopodial right? And yes, as mentioned, the top leaves should be as large, at least, as the lower leaves. Smaller leaves usually suggest root problems at the time of growth.... Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, |
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Thank you both for your advice, but it came too late... I already went
back to the store to buy it because searching on the Internet I came across this topic on the UK Orchid forum: http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=880. There they stated that it is indeed not a healthy sign when a monopodial is flowering from the lead, but that a strong plant will survive. It is possible that it will grow further, but more likely it will make side shoots. So in the that case I will have to wait two or three years until it flowers again. (and in the worst case I end up with a nice vase which appeared to be included in the price of €16,50!) Pictures on abpo! Grtz. Niek Xi Wang schreef: Well if a spike is coming out from the crown, then that means the plant is dead pretty much, unless it grows some keiki. But given the size of the plant, that may be very possible. All vandaceous plants are monopodial right? And yes, as mentioned, the top leaves should be as large, at least, as the lower leaves. Smaller leaves usually suggest root problems at the time of growth.... Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, |
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Well, you did say that it was a big plant, so in all likelihood, it will
produce keiki (side shoots). Actually, this might be somewhat good news since you may end up with 3-4 plantlets over the next few years. As well, you can expect your vanda to continue flowering. The side shoots themselves will take a few years to flower, but the mother plant can still send spikes from the side like it normally does. Cheers, Xi Niek Hanckmann wrote: Thank you both for your advice, but it came too late... I already went back to the store to buy it because searching on the Internet I came across this topic on the UK Orchid forum: http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=880. There they stated that it is indeed not a healthy sign when a monopodial is flowering from the lead, but that a strong plant will survive. It is possible that it will grow further, but more likely it will make side shoots. So in the that case I will have to wait two or three years until it flowers again. (and in the worst case I end up with a nice vase which appeared to be included in the price of €16,50!) Pictures on abpo! Grtz. Niek Xi Wang schreef: Well if a spike is coming out from the crown, then that means the plant is dead pretty much, unless it grows some keiki. But given the size of the plant, that may be very possible. All vandaceous plants are monopodial right? And yes, as mentioned, the top leaves should be as large, at least, as the lower leaves. Smaller leaves usually suggest root problems at the time of growth.... Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, |
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Side-shoots are very possible. Sorry to disagree with Xi, but I'll be
surprised if you report new flower spikes from the dying "mother" plant. Now, you just need to hope those new shoots develop their own root systems before "mom" expires entirely. There are products you can buy to increase these chances, but having to do so would rather negate your "bargain," IMHO. The longer you can leave those sideshoots attached, the faster they will grow and bloom for you -- for as long as "mom" hangs in there. When she's clearly dead, I'd recommend getting them off promptly. Sick, and especially dead, plants tend to draw pests and pathogens. Good growing, Kenni "Xi Wang" wrote in message news:2QPIe.124184$s54.49679@pd7tw2no... Well, you did say that it was a big plant, so in all likelihood, it will produce keiki (side shoots). Actually, this might be somewhat good news since you may end up with 3-4 plantlets over the next few years. As well, you can expect your vanda to continue flowering. The side shoots themselves will take a few years to flower, but the mother plant can still send spikes from the side like it normally does. Cheers, Xi Niek Hanckmann wrote: Thank you both for your advice, but it came too late... I already went back to the store to buy it because searching on the Internet I came across this topic on the UK Orchid forum: http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=880. There they stated that it is indeed not a healthy sign when a monopodial is flowering from the lead, but that a strong plant will survive. It is possible that it will grow further, but more likely it will make side shoots. So in the that case I will have to wait two or three years until it flowers again. (and in the worst case I end up with a nice vase which appeared to be included in the price of €16,50!) Pictures on abpo! Grtz. Niek Xi Wang schreef: Well if a spike is coming out from the crown, then that means the plant is dead pretty much, unless it grows some keiki. But given the size of the plant, that may be very possible. All vandaceous plants are monopodial right? And yes, as mentioned, the top leaves should be as large, at least, as the lower leaves. Smaller leaves usually suggest root problems at the time of growth.... Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, |
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I think that you are right Kenni, I dont expect new flower stalks on the
main stem when it won't grow any further. So I have to rely on new side shoots. Fortunately the main stem has good and fat roots. And although it just came from the store it even has some roots with active growing tips. I've not often seen that on an orchid bought at the green discounter! So I'am very hopeful about the possibilities for this beauty. Grtz. Niek Kenni Judd schreef: Side-shoots are very possible. Sorry to disagree with Xi, but I'll be surprised if you report new flower spikes from the dying "mother" plant. Now, you just need to hope those new shoots develop their own root systems before "mom" expires entirely. There are products you can buy to increase these chances, but having to do so would rather negate your "bargain," IMHO. The longer you can leave those sideshoots attached, the faster they will grow and bloom for you -- for as long as "mom" hangs in there. When she's clearly dead, I'd recommend getting them off promptly. Sick, and especially dead, plants tend to draw pests and pathogens. Good growing, Kenni "Xi Wang" wrote in message news:2QPIe.124184$s54.49679@pd7tw2no... Well, you did say that it was a big plant, so in all likelihood, it will produce keiki (side shoots). Actually, this might be somewhat good news since you may end up with 3-4 plantlets over the next few years. As well, you can expect your vanda to continue flowering. The side shoots themselves will take a few years to flower, but the mother plant can still send spikes from the side like it normally does. Cheers, Xi Niek Hanckmann wrote: Thank you both for your advice, but it came too late... I already went back to the store to buy it because searching on the Internet I came across this topic on the UK Orchid forum: http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=880. There they stated that it is indeed not a healthy sign when a monopodial is flowering from the lead, but that a strong plant will survive. It is possible that it will grow further, but more likely it will make side shoots. So in the that case I will have to wait two or three years until it flowers again. (and in the worst case I end up with a nice vase which appeared to be included in the price of €16,50!) Pictures on abpo! Grtz. Niek Xi Wang schreef: Well if a spike is coming out from the crown, then that means the plant is dead pretty much, unless it grows some keiki. But given the size of the plant, that may be very possible. All vandaceous plants are monopodial right? And yes, as mentioned, the top leaves should be as large, at least, as the lower leaves. Smaller leaves usually suggest root problems at the time of growth.... Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, |
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Hi,
I didn't know that was the case...is it because without apical growth, the hormonal balance in the plants goes wonky? I was thinking that with a big plant like that, even without apical growth, it will stay take the remaining leaves years to die off, and in that time, it may still produce at least roots and spikes, just not new leaves. Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: Side-shoots are very possible. Sorry to disagree with Xi, but I'll be surprised if you report new flower spikes from the dying "mother" plant. Now, you just need to hope those new shoots develop their own root systems before "mom" expires entirely. There are products you can buy to increase these chances, but having to do so would rather negate your "bargain," IMHO. The longer you can leave those sideshoots attached, the faster they will grow and bloom for you -- for as long as "mom" hangs in there. When she's clearly dead, I'd recommend getting them off promptly. Sick, and especially dead, plants tend to draw pests and pathogens. Good growing, Kenni "Xi Wang" wrote in message news:2QPIe.124184$s54.49679@pd7tw2no... Well, you did say that it was a big plant, so in all likelihood, it will produce keiki (side shoots). Actually, this might be somewhat good news since you may end up with 3-4 plantlets over the next few years. As well, you can expect your vanda to continue flowering. The side shoots themselves will take a few years to flower, but the mother plant can still send spikes from the side like it normally does. Cheers, Xi Niek Hanckmann wrote: Thank you both for your advice, but it came too late... I already went back to the store to buy it because searching on the Internet I came across this topic on the UK Orchid forum: http://www.ukorchidforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=880. There they stated that it is indeed not a healthy sign when a monopodial is flowering from the lead, but that a strong plant will survive. It is possible that it will grow further, but more likely it will make side shoots. So in the that case I will have to wait two or three years until it flowers again. (and in the worst case I end up with a nice vase which appeared to be included in the price of €16,50!) Pictures on abpo! Grtz. Niek Xi Wang schreef: Well if a spike is coming out from the crown, then that means the plant is dead pretty much, unless it grows some keiki. But given the size of the plant, that may be very possible. All vandaceous plants are monopodial right? And yes, as mentioned, the top leaves should be as large, at least, as the lower leaves. Smaller leaves usually suggest root problems at the time of growth.... Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: I wouldn't rush. When plants (or anything else) are priced ridiculously low, there's usually a reason. In this case, it sounds like the plants may have been in decline for some time -- except for the very top one or two that may be in active growth, the leaves should be at least as long as the ones immediately below. Also, it should not be flowering from the very top; usually, it's near the 5th mature leaf down. It sounds like the plant has been pushed to flower so often that it's outrun itself. Good growing, |
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Hi, Xi: I don't know whether it's hormones or what, but I have never seen
nor heard of a monopodial blooming from lower down than the previous inflorescence. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen -- I've learned to "never say never" about orchids -- but it would be an unusual event. So if this one is already blooming from the very top, it probably has no more room to bloom on the mother plant. Kenni "Xi Wang" wrote in message news:r0WIe.126373$s54.2507@pd7tw2no... Hi, I didn't know that was the case...is it because without apical growth, the hormonal balance in the plants goes wonky? I was thinking that with a big plant like that, even without apical growth, it will stay take the remaining leaves years to die off, and in that time, it may still produce at least roots and spikes, just not new leaves. Cheers, Xi |
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Now that you mention it, I guess I've never seen it either...curious.
Well, let's hope he gets keikis then! Cheers, Xi Kenni Judd wrote: Hi, Xi: I don't know whether it's hormones or what, but I have never seen nor heard of a monopodial blooming from lower down than the previous inflorescence. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen -- I've learned to "never say never" about orchids -- but it would be an unusual event. So if this one is already blooming from the very top, it probably has no more room to bloom on the mother plant. Kenni "Xi Wang" wrote in message news:r0WIe.126373$s54.2507@pd7tw2no... Hi, I didn't know that was the case...is it because without apical growth, the hormonal balance in the plants goes wonky? I was thinking that with a big plant like that, even without apical growth, it will stay take the remaining leaves years to die off, and in that time, it may still produce at least roots and spikes, just not new leaves. Cheers, Xi |
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Kenni, it can happen! I have a phaleanopsis hybrid in my window-sill
that is doing the trick. After three succesive flower stalks it made a fourth one even beneath the first one. It actually comes from under the lowest leaf! So it is possible but rare. Grtz. Niek Kenni Judd schreef: Hi, Xi: I don't know whether it's hormones or what, but I have never seen nor heard of a monopodial blooming from lower down than the previous inflorescence. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen -- I've learned to "never say never" about orchids -- but it would be an unusual event. So if this one is already blooming from the very top, it probably has no more room to bloom on the mother plant. Kenni "Xi Wang" wrote in message news:r0WIe.126373$s54.2507@pd7tw2no... Hi, I didn't know that was the case...is it because without apical growth, the hormonal balance in the plants goes wonky? I was thinking that with a big plant like that, even without apical growth, it will stay take the remaining leaves years to die off, and in that time, it may still produce at least roots and spikes, just not new leaves. Cheers, Xi |
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