Pat,

I haven't noticed any color breaks or aberations in any of the flowers that
have formed since August.

The few crawlers I find now seem to be sluggish and stick together in a
mound.

Gene



"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi Gene,

You might find this site helpful.

http://www.entomology.umn.edu/cues/i...ine/Scale.html

Based on what is says, the timing seems right for the October outbreak
to be from eggs not killed. Not much will kill a bug in all the life
cycles.

I do not think you can assume you will get a years coverage from a
single spraying. The label you are reading was written for a seasonal
plant with seasonal bugs. Based on what I have seen assume 4 to 6
weeks.

I have used this chemical to fight fungus gnats. I talked with the rep
and he recommend monthly sprayings. The label tells you to limit
sprayings to 2 per growth cycle (I am doing this from memory so this
might not be exactly right). I was afraid that too much of a good
thing would lead to color breaks, so I never followed his advice and
followed the label limits. With three drenches you hit them pretty
hard; I am interested to know much color breaking you see in your Phals
this winter. Aug is a pretty safe month to be hitting Phals with
systemics so there is a good chance you will not see any.

Pat

Thanks for this info Pat & Gene, yes I have seen plenty of the dreaded Boisduval!
I had colour break & mutant looking flowers when I used a systemic call Cygon
a number of years ago. (No longer available)
Have used Ortho WP along with Neem. Have not tried the Bayer product?
I have been using Enstar II along with Mavrik & so far the best results
for me. I think the Mavrik is a topical treatment but the two are mixed together.
I mark & tag plants specially treated & document g/h sprays etc.

Now I am one that always experiments & have found that you have to keep on
a strict regimen forever or the buggers come back.
I have unpotted a scale infested plant, cleaned every bit of potting mix,
trimmed old roots etc., sprayed any visible bugs with alcohol, then left this
plant soaking in the Enstar/Mavrik solution over night & the next day there
were little white babies trying to escape. Unbelievable, the float & creep to
the sides of the bowl!!!
So my point being they are never gone.
Happy debugging,
--
Cheers Wendy

No Spam Email Address Invalid

Pat Brennan wrote:
Hi Gene,

You might find this site helpful.

http://www.entomology.umn.edu/cues/i...ine/Scale.html

Based on what is says, the timing seems right for the October outbreak
to be from eggs not killed. Not much will kill a bug in all the life
cycles.

I do not think you can assume you will get a years coverage from a
single spraying. The label you are reading was written for a seasonal
plant with seasonal bugs. Based on what I have seen assume 4 to 6
weeks.

I have used this chemical to fight fungus gnats. I talked with the
rep and he recommend monthly sprayings. The label tells you to limit
sprayings to 2 per growth cycle (I am doing this from memory so this
might not be exactly right). I was afraid that too much of a good
thing would lead to color breaks, so I never followed his advice and
followed the label limits. With three drenches you hit them pretty
hard; I am interested to know much color breaking you see in your
Phals this winter. Aug is a pretty safe month to be hitting Phals
with systemics so there is a good chance you will not see any.

Pat

So my point being they are never gone.

Tell me about it. I sprayed the whole collection with Orthene on Monday.
Today I found thrips crawling all over a Catt flower. Rat B********ds!

Diana

"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have* had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied as a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity (absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet curvy babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs
under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs
with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch
and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the
shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In
large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have*
had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs
in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer
for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at
least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within
a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity (absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I
don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet curvy
babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs
under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs
with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs hatch
and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the
shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In
large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally not
a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have*
had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked fangs
in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the bayer
for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at
least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied
as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks, within
a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm
not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance
to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I
don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was
worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

It's a hot humid day in the greenhouse.

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey slimy,
how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?" "I so love the
shape of your probiscus." "Is there room under that shell for both of us?"

Awwww....young scale love.



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet curvy
babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe me a
keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays eggs
under
her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and protects the eggs
with
her shell which gets leathery and dry. After some time the eggs
hatch
and
a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under the
shell
and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the crawlers. In
large
quantities they could be mistaken for mealie bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is generally
not
a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I
have
never
seen anything that I could identify as crawling scale. When I *have*
had
scale, it appears attached to the plant, having sunk its wicked
fangs
in
already. Thorough searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing as
I.
Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the
bayer
for
three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't work, or at
least
not completely. When I added the IGR into the mix, it was applied
as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf surface
as
possible (top and bottom), again for three consecutive weeks,
within
a
couple hours after watering the greenhouse in my normal way. I'm
not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a chance
to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively
transpiring right after a nice watering and more susceptible to
absorbing
chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it. I
don't
think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is about the
same
cost,
but you have to buy a whole quart... They target the same
pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid
for the first two weeks. Both have systemic activity. I was
worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid
treatment,
and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get the
resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer
residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap... Probably a
stupid
idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

And.....she says, flashing her scaly eyelashes, so weigh me!

--
Cheers Wendy

No Spam Email Address Invalid

Gene Schurg wrote:
It's a hot humid day in the greenhouse.

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?" "I
so love the shape of your probiscus." "Is there room under that
shell for both of us?"

Awwww....young scale love.



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet
curvy babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe
me a keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays
eggs under her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and
protects the eggs with her shell which gets leathery and dry.
After some time the eggs hatch and a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under
the shell and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the
crawlers. In large quantities they could be mistaken for mealie
bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is
generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I
have never seen anything that I could identify as crawling
scale. When I *have* had scale, it appears attached to the
plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in already. Thorough
searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing
as I. Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the
bayer for three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't
work, or at least not completely. When I added the IGR into
the mix, it was applied as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf
surface as possible (top and bottom), again for three
consecutive weeks, within a couple hours after watering the
greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a
chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively transpiring right after a nice watering and more
susceptible to absorbing chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it.
I don't think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is
about the same cost, but you have to buy a whole quart... They
target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid for the first two weeks. Both have systemic
activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid
treatment, and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get
the resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer
residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap...
Probably a stupid idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Et tu, Wendy?!

Diana

"wendy7" wrote in message
...
And.....she says, flashing her scaly eyelashes, so weigh me!

--
Cheers Wendy

No Spam Email Address Invalid

Gene Schurg wrote:
It's a hot humid day in the greenhouse.

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?" "I
so love the shape of your probiscus." "Is there room under that
shell for both of us?"

Awwww....young scale love.



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene, stop!

Diana G

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:uLOth.1148$FN1.200@trnddc08...
Dianna,

After all this is "G" rated newsgroup. We can't be too graphic.

How's this "When the hot young masculine scale comes upon a sweet
curvy babe
of a scale....."

Gene



"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
news:aHOth.780$ch1.474@bigfe9...
"When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale"........ You owe
me a keyboard, Gene!

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:dtyth.6934$U81.4308@trnddc06...
Diana,

When the momma scale mates with the daddy scale the momma lays
eggs under her shell. At some point the momma scale dies and
protects the eggs with her shell which gets leathery and dry.
After some time the eggs hatch and a
bunch of small whitish dusty looking babies crawl out from under
the shell and look for a nice leaf to attach to. These are the
crawlers. In large quantities they could be mistaken for mealie
bugs.

Gene




"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
...
Gene & Rob,

I have a question for both of you. Thankfully, scale is
generally not a
huge
problem for me. I see it now and then, but seldom, really. And I
have never seen anything that I could identify as crawling
scale. When I *have* had scale, it appears attached to the
plant, having sunk its wicked fangs in already. Thorough
searches have not produced anything further.

Am I missing something?

Diana

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Gene Schurg wrote:
Rob,

It is interesting that you could be observing the same thing
as I. Did
you
spray or drench with the Bayer product? Did you water between
applications
where the plants could suck up water without the chemicals?


I tried a drench (trash can and pump with hose) with just the
bayer for three consecutive weeks in early summer. That didn't
work, or at least not completely. When I added the IGR into
the mix, it was applied as
a
spray to the point of complete saturation of as much leaf
surface as possible (top and bottom), again for three
consecutive weeks, within a couple hours after watering the
greenhouse in my normal way. I'm not
sure
of the rationale of that, but I did have one. It made sense to
water
before so that I wouldn't wash out chemical before it had a
chance to
be
absorbed, and I thought that perhaps the leaves would be more
actively transpiring right after a nice watering and more
susceptible to absorbing chemical.

Distance is supposed to have translaminar systemic activity
(absorbed
through the leaves), which is one of the reasons I picked it.
I don't think EnstarII is systemic (I could be wrong). It is
about the same cost, but you have to buy a whole quart... They
target the same pathway.

And actually, come to think of it, I used orthene instead of
imidocloprid for the first two weeks. Both have systemic
activity. I was worried
that
the bugs were becoming resistant to repeated imidocloprid
treatment, and
I
hadn't used orthene in a while. This way I was hoping to get
the resistant ones in the first two passes, and get the longer
residual
of
the
imidocloprid on the last one. And orthene is cheap...
Probably a stupid idea.

--
Rob's Rules: http://littlefrogfarm.com
1) There is always room for one more orchid
2) There is always room for two more orchids
2a) See rule 1
3) When one has insufficient credit to obtain more
orchids, obtain more credit

Based on what that web site said:

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?"
And the babe blob says slime off and then takes care of it herself.

I don' which is more frightening to come across in rgo and abpo, this or the
bizarre level of spam we have been experiencing lately.

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Based on what that web site said:

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?"
And the babe blob says slime off and then takes care of it herself.

What is frightening is this steamy story could be happening in your
greenhouse Al! yup....they're having sex in you cattleyas....mmmmm With
you standing right there.....prevert!



"al" wrote in message news:yvRth.2755$R65.2306@trnddc01...
I don' which is more frightening to come across in rgo and abpo, this or
the
bizarre level of spam we have been experiencing lately.

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Based on what that web site said:

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?"
And the babe blob says slime off and then takes care of it herself.

It was a dark and stormy night.............

Diana

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:7HRth.7541$yj7.1014@trndny08...
What is frightening is this steamy story could be happening in your
greenhouse Al! yup....they're having sex in you cattleyas....mmmmm With
you standing right there.....prevert!



"al" wrote in message
news:yvRth.2755$R65.2306@trnddc01...
I don' which is more frightening to come across in rgo and abpo, this or
the
bizarre level of spam we have been experiencing lately.

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Based on what that web site said:

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?"
And the babe blob says slime off and then takes care of it herself.

I KNOW it IS happening out there. The place is littered with scaley porn.
Gross stuff, that scale porn. It's like that line in the movie "Clerks
Two", "This is so disgusting, I can't look away."

"Gene Schurg" wrote in message
news:7HRth.7541$yj7.1014@trndny08...
What is frightening is this steamy story could be happening in your
greenhouse Al! yup....they're having sex in you cattleyas....mmmmm
With
you standing right there.....prevert!



"al" wrote in message
news:yvRth.2755$R65.2306@trnddc01...
I don' which is more frightening to come across in rgo and abpo, this or
the
bizarre level of spam we have been experiencing lately.

"Pat Brennan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Based on what that web site said:

The hot stud scale slides over next to the hot blob of a babe, "Hey
slimy, how about you and me make some wild passionate scale love?"
And the babe blob says slime off and then takes care of it herself.

Wendy,

You probably don't need to try the Bayer product. Imidacloprid is the
chemical that kills the bugs in both Mavrik and the Bayer Shrub & Brush.
Mavrik is available in a far more concentated product so it costs more but
goes much further.

From what I have read do not rely on it to kill mites. Plants treated with
Imidacloprid may even attract them. Maybe that's why I have (or had if the
soap worked) them.

Bob

"wendy7" wrote in message
...
Thanks for this info Pat & Gene, yes I have seen plenty of the dreaded
Boisduval!
I had colour break & mutant looking flowers when I used a systemic call
Cygon
a number of years ago. (No longer available)
Have used Ortho WP along with Neem. Have not tried the Bayer product?
I have been using Enstar II along with Mavrik & so far the best results
for me. I think the Mavrik is a topical treatment but the two are mixed
together.
I mark & tag plants specially treated & document g/h sprays etc.

Now I am one that always experiments & have found that you have to keep
on
a strict regimen forever or the buggers come back.
I have unpotted a scale infested plant, cleaned every bit of potting mix,
trimmed old roots etc., sprayed any visible bugs with alcohol, then left
this
plant soaking in the Enstar/Mavrik solution over night & the next day
there
were little white babies trying to escape. Unbelievable, the float & creep
to
the sides of the bowl!!!
So my point being they are never gone.
Happy debugging,
--
Cheers Wendy

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Pat Brennan wrote:
Hi Gene,

You might find this site helpful.

http://www.entomology.umn.edu/cues/i...ine/Scale.html

Based on what is says, the timing seems right for the October outbreak
to be from eggs not killed. Not much will kill a bug in all the life
cycles.

I do not think you can assume you will get a years coverage from a
single spraying. The label you are reading was written for a seasonal
plant with seasonal bugs. Based on what I have seen assume 4 to 6
weeks.

I have used this chemical to fight fungus gnats. I talked with the
rep and he recommend monthly sprayings. The label tells you to limit
sprayings to 2 per growth cycle (I am doing this from memory so this
might not be exactly right). I was afraid that too much of a good
thing would lead to color breaks, so I never followed his advice and
followed the label limits. With three drenches you hit them pretty
hard; I am interested to know much color breaking you see in your
Phals this winter. Aug is a pretty safe month to be hitting Phals
with systemics so there is a good chance you will not see any.

Pat