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Jungle Feed
Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to
finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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"keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith Sorry it is called Jungle Green Keith |
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Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1
12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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Read this:
http://www.orchidboard.com/community...400-msu-fertil izer-vs-green-jungle-orchid-food.html Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:37 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed "keith kent" wrote in message ... Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith Sorry it is called Jungle Green Keith |
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Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search.
I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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What I have learned is that most professional growers (not just
orchids), control their feeding by managing the ppm N in the solution, and letting the rest of the nutrients "tag along" in the ratios of the preferred formula. I shoot for 125 ppm N in my fertilizer solution at all times. It's easy to determine the amount to use - just divide 10 by the %N on the label, and the result is teaspoons to add per gallon. For you sophisticated, metricated folks, divide 13 by the %N to get the ml/L. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:11 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Thanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i think http://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htm as it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000001ca2000$023fe0b0$0202fea9@fro... Dilute it about 12:1 or 13:1 12.8/12=1.07 4.8/12=0.4 14.5/12=1.21 Rounding to the nearest whole number, that's 1-0-1 Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books, Artwork Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:33 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi , Any thoughts on Jungle feed and can anyone point me in the direction to finding out what is in jungle feed ? It is 1-0-1 , i have found out it is from a stock solution of 12.8- 4.8 - 14.5 so how do they get 1-0-1 ? Regards Keith |
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On Aug 19, 6:11*pm, "keith kent" wrote:
Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i thinkhttp://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htmas it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith * Keith, Yes, "Akerne's RAIN MIX" is the MSU fertiliser for rainwater etc. Our TAP MIX version is not there yet as we have trouble getting all the ingredients, let us just say that one of the ingredients needed can be used for other purposes.... making it very hard to near impossible to get hold of. Have a chat with my father at the BOGA fayre end of the month concerning your concentration. We go up to 550ppm for ALL our orchids (no exception) and this includes, amongst others, anything from Disa, Cyrpipedium, Paphiopedilum, Masdevallia over to Cattleya and Cymbidium. kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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Thanks for jumping in, Kenneth.
Even GreenCare - the folks that make the original "MSU" fertilizers - have to resort to more-expensive raw materials for the tap water formula. The whole "dissolved solids" level discussion is hard to deal with, which is why EC or going with the nitrogen loading is more manageable. For example, using the MSU RO formula, for 125 ppm N, adding up the weight percentages of all of the cations present gives a dissolved solids level of about 355 ppm. However, as one must add 3.55 grams of the powder to a gallon of water for 125 ppm N, that is an addition of 938 ppm. Now I'm quite sure that all of the constituents of the mineral molecules don't contribute to the dissolved solids content - some of those are water, after all - so that suggests that the TRUE dissolved solids content is lower than that last calculation would imply, but how do you determine that? TDS meters really are of little value, as they are just cheap EC meters with a built-in conversion factor to ppm. Unfortunately, the factor should change with the make-up of the ionic species dissolved, so it technically cannot be a single factor for all fertilizers and solutions. Let's also not forget that different manufacturers use different conversion factors! I have two - at a 125 ppm N solution, one tells me the TDS is about 480 ppm, the other 610. About all TDS meters are good for is assessing whether the solution you made up this time is different from the last time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth ] Posted At: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:22 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed On Aug 19, 6:11*pm, "keith kent" wrote: Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i thinkhttp://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htmas it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith * Keith, Yes, "Akerne's RAIN MIX" is the MSU fertiliser for rainwater etc. Our TAP MIX version is not there yet as we have trouble getting all the ingredients, let us just say that one of the ingredients needed can be used for other purposes.... making it very hard to near impossible to get hold of. Have a chat with my father at the BOGA fayre end of the month concerning your concentration. We go up to 550ppm for ALL our orchids (no exception) and this includes, amongst others, anything from Disa, Cyrpipedium, Paphiopedilum, Masdevallia over to Cattleya and Cymbidium. kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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Jungle FeedThanks Ray & Kenneth .
I am hoping to go to the Boga fayre ! Regards Keith "Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca21ae$b95daa70$0202fea9@fro... Thanks for jumping in, Kenneth. Even GreenCare - the folks that make the original "MSU" fertilizers - have to resort to more-expensive raw materials for the tap water formula. The whole "dissolved solids" level discussion is hard to deal with, which is why EC or going with the nitrogen loading is more manageable. For example, using the MSU RO formula, for 125 ppm N, adding up the weight percentages of all of the cations present gives a dissolved solids level of about 355 ppm. However, as one must add 3.55 grams of the powder to a gallon of water for 125 ppm N, that is an addition of 938 ppm. Now I'm quite sure that all of the constituents of the mineral molecules don't contribute to the dissolved solids content - some of those are water, after all - so that suggests that the TRUE dissolved solids content is lower than that last calculation would imply, but how do you determine that? TDS meters really are of little value, as they are just cheap EC meters with a built-in conversion factor to ppm. Unfortunately, the factor should change with the make-up of the ionic species dissolved, so it technically cannot be a single factor for all fertilizers and solutions. Let's also not forget that different manufacturers use different conversion factors! I have two - at a 125 ppm N solution, one tells me the TDS is about 480 ppm, the other 610. About all TDS meters are good for is assessing whether the solution you made up this time is different from the last time. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth ] Posted At: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:22 AM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed On Aug 19, 6:11 pm, "keith kent" wrote: Jungle FeedThanks for that Ray , i did see the orchidboard post after doing a search. I am going to buy the Akerne orchids feed which is basically the MSU i thinkhttp://www.akerne-orchids.com/index.htmas it is the only one available in the EU . As the feed is 13 -3- 15 does this mean that less feed will be required compared to the 1-0-1 . If so this is just what i am looking for ,as i mix up at 160lts a time sometimes and liquid feeds ,i just use too much of the stuff even to get the mix to 350ppm . Regards Keith Keith, Yes, "Akerne's RAIN MIX" is the MSU fertiliser for rainwater etc. Our TAP MIX version is not there yet as we have trouble getting all the ingredients, let us just say that one of the ingredients needed can be used for other purposes.... making it very hard to near impossible to get hold of. Have a chat with my father at the BOGA fayre end of the month concerning your concentration. We go up to 550ppm for ALL our orchids (no exception) and this includes, amongst others, anything from Disa, Cyrpipedium, Paphiopedilum, Masdevallia over to Cattleya and Cymbidium. kind regards, Kenneth Bruyninckx Akerne Orchids, Belgium http://www.akerne-orchids.com |
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Small, but very important correction.
I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce
.. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Keith,
Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce .. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message .. .. Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedHi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at
129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Don’t forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated
solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - http://www.firstrays.com www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce .. Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message .. .. Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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Jungle FeedOh, ok Ray .
So going for 0.75 with that feed is o.k ? Would it also be best to feed at every watering at this rate .? Keith Ray B" wrote in message news:000401ca2391$2f55e970$0201a8c0@fro... Don't forget that the calculator you used is giving the calculated solids loading of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium only, without regard to the other minerals in the fertilizer. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! From: keith kent ] Posted At: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:19 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed Hi Ray ,i have just used your online ppm calculator and inputted 13-3-15 at 0.75 teaspoon a gallon came out at 129n -p 13 -k 123 total TDS 265 ppm This seems low to me as i would normally aim for around 400-450ppm at the most in summer then reduce to around 250 in winter. i feed 3 weeks .once a month i use plain RO with added Cal ,mg at this time i would also use the plain RO to add Physan for the monthly treatment . Regards Keith wrote in message news:000001ca233b$67e51730$0201a8c0@fro... Keith, Unless you're growing stuff like Den. nobile, that needs a "winter rest" - i.e., no nitrogen whatsoever - I find it advantageous to feed year round. In fact, all of my plants get 125 ppm N (about twice the concentration Kenneth uses) at every watering. Ray Barkalow - First Rays LLC - www.firstrays.com Orchid Plants, Supplies, Equipment, Books Artwork, Free Services & Lots of Info! -----Original Message----- From: keith kent ] Posted At: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:00 PM Posted To: rec.gardens.orchids Conversation: Jungle Feed Subject: Jungle Feed So that is around 350 ppm ,do you feed at this rate all year round or reduce . Obviously in winter watering is reduced for most plants so will get feed less frequently . Kenneth ,can you confirm that the 2.5 kg rain mix will be for sale at the Boga show as i am traveling some distance so don`t want to be disapointed if it is not . Regards Keith "Kenneth" wrote in message ... Small, but very important correction. I meant to say that we add fertilizer to reach conductivity of 550 µS, not 550ppm.... Kenneth. |
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