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Old 19-07-2003, 11:06 PM
Diana Kulaga
 
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Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem. That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion), but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana


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Old 20-07-2003, 02:42 AM
V_coerulea
 
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I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again with a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I know I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem. That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for

scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of

Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a

pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion),

but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to

injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and

also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana




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Old 20-07-2003, 03:02 AM
Ray
 
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You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not

just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time

just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again with

a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on

that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I know

I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping

out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.

That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and

on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for

scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of

Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a

pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion),

but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of

geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to

injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and

also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana






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Old 20-07-2003, 09:22 AM
Jerry Hoffmeister
 
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Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like it would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate

seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not

just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time

just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again

with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several

thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on

that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy

prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble

a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I

know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping

out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.

That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals

and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found

the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for

scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of

Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found

a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a

pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the

Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of

geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to

injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and

also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.

Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana








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Old 20-07-2003, 03:02 PM
Ray
 
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First of all, forget Safers - ordinary household liquid detergents are just
as effective and far less expensive.

When I used the Enstar II-neem combo, I put soap in to emulsify the neem
oil, so got that benefit for the Enstar as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:TorSa.90617$GL4.25965@rwcrnsc53...
Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like it

would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate

seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and

not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything

with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd

time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again

with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3

weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several

thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now

on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for

several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy

prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of

trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets

some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I

know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little

ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping

out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.

That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals

and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found

the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals

like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,

for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the

whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register

found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the

Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of

geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want

to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,

and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.

Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana












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Old 20-07-2003, 04:02 PM
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Diana, can only tell you my experiences.... I had some trouble with soft
scale & mealie bugs.
Over the last couple of years I have used everything! You name it I've used
it.
Like Ray, I purchased Enstar II & Mavrik, recommended by someone on this
newsgroup?
It is very expensive but does the job if you follow directions carefully. (2
regimens, curative & preventative)
The price will knock your socks off but if I add up the price of all the
stuff I have purchased over
the last couple years, it costs less.
I also told a friend about it, his greenhouse was full of scale both types.
He is most pleased with
the results.
I got mine here in OC, S.Cal at a farm supply store.
Cheers Wendy

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem. That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for

scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of

Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a

pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion),

but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to

injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and

also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana




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Old 20-07-2003, 05:52 PM
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Hi Ray - how much soap do you use per gal of mix?
Thanks! Jerry

"Ray" wrote in message
...
First of all, forget Safers - ordinary household liquid detergents are

just
as effective and far less expensive.

When I used the Enstar II-neem combo, I put soap in to emulsify the neem
oil, so got that benefit for the Enstar as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:TorSa.90617$GL4.25965@rwcrnsc53...
Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like it

would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth

regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate

seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and

not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything

with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd

time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again

with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3

weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several

thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now

on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for

several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy

prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often

is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of

trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing"

the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets

some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I

know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little

ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep

popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest

problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the

Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and

found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals

like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,

for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the

whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register

found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and

3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the

Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want

to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,

and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to

do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.

Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana












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Old 21-07-2003, 03:44 AM
V_coerulea
 
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I agree with the Enstar as I mentionned above. But I think the whole process
of bringing things under control is helped by something that helps knock
down the adult population first. Then bring on the guns that prevent any
more from maturing.
Gary

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate

seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not

just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time

just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again

with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several

thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on

that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy

prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble

a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I

know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping

out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.

That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals

and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found

the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for

scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of

Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found

a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a

pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the

Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of

geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to

injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and

also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.

Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana








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Old 21-07-2003, 03:47 AM
Diana Kulaga
 
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Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind paying a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana


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Old 21-07-2003, 06:02 AM
Jerry Hoffmeister
 
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Makes sense - so what do u use to knock them down? Although this time at
least, I already started w/ Enstar.

"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I agree with the Enstar as I mentionned above. But I think the whole

process
of bringing things under control is helped by something that helps knock
down the adult population first. Then bring on the guns that prevent any
more from maturing.
Gary

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate

seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and

not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything

with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd

time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again

with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3

weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several

thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now

on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for

several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy

prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of

trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets

some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I

know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little

ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping

out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.

That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals

and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found

the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals

like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,

for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the

whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register

found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the

Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of

geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want

to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,

and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.

Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana












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Old 21-07-2003, 06:12 AM
Jerry Hoffmeister
 
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Yeah, I think if I were going to use a "nasty" insecticide, I'd choose
Orthene. It's a systemic and if I remember correctly, it breaks down to
"harmless" substances pretty quickly (some number of days). Likely it would
work better than Malathion and be less "nasty". As I understand, Enstar is
hard to find - I got it from a grower (w/ actual business) friend of mine.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind paying

a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are

going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by

the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana




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Old 21-07-2003, 04:33 PM
Jerry Hoffmeister
 
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Thanks Ray and Gary - I did an Enstar only spraying this time.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
About 1-2 tablespoons - a hefty dollop, not really measured.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:MLySa.92444$OZ2.19515@rwcrnsc54...
Hi Ray - how much soap do you use per gal of mix?
Thanks! Jerry

"Ray" wrote in message
...
First of all, forget Safers - ordinary household liquid detergents are

just
as effective and far less expensive.

When I used the Enstar II-neem combo, I put soap in to emulsify the

neem
oil, so got that benefit for the Enstar as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:TorSa.90617$GL4.25965@rwcrnsc53...
Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like

it
would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth

regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on

other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble

(and
not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit

everything
with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench,

2nd
time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and

again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3
weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for

several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from

now
on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for
several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general

policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder

every-so-often
is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of
trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to

"ant-proofing"
the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse

gets
some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the

anoles,
I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of

little
ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep

popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps

some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest

problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the

Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and

found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting

Phals
like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol,

or,
for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before

the
whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple

of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the

register
found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil,

and
3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also,

swarms
of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't

want
to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the

Organocide,
and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need

to
do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little

reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana
















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Old 21-07-2003, 05:04 PM
Jim S
 
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this is from the speach i give on "Orchid pests and there control in the
green house enviroment"


.."REentry Interval: 12 to 24 hours
..Acephate dissipates rapidly with half-lives of 3 and 6 days in aerobic and
anaerobic soils respectively.
..6 to 12 days to be completely out of the bark mixture
..Most of the applied acephate and degradate methamidophos degrade to
immobile compounds in 20-60 days!!!
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
et...
Yeah, I think if I were going to use a "nasty" insecticide, I'd choose
Orthene. It's a systemic and if I remember correctly, it breaks down to
"harmless" substances pretty quickly (some number of days). Likely it

would
work better than Malathion and be less "nasty". As I understand, Enstar

is
hard to find - I got it from a grower (w/ actual business) friend of mine.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind

paying
a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but

my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are

going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by

the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana







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Old 21-07-2003, 05:05 PM
Jim S
 
Posts: n/a
Default Biting the Bullet on Pesticides...Opinions, Please

this is from the speach i give on "Orchid pests and there control in the
green house enviroment"


.."REentry Interval: 12 to 24 hours
..Acephate dissipates rapidly with half-lives of 3 and 6 days in aerobic and
anaerobic soils respectively.
..6 to 12 days to be completely out of the bark mixture
..Most of the applied acephate and degradate methamidophos degrade to
immobile compounds in 20-60 days!!!
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
et...
Yeah, I think if I were going to use a "nasty" insecticide, I'd choose
Orthene. It's a systemic and if I remember correctly, it breaks down to
"harmless" substances pretty quickly (some number of days). Likely it

would
work better than Malathion and be less "nasty". As I understand, Enstar

is
hard to find - I got it from a grower (w/ actual business) friend of mine.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind

paying
a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but

my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are

going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by

the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana







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Old 23-07-2003, 12:09 AM
V_coerulea
 
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Default Biting the Bullet on Pesticides...Opinions, Please

Enstar doesn't hit the adults who can live their normal lives (provided
something else in the spray doesn't affect them). That's the reason for the
knockdown. Knockdown the adults, no more eggs. No more eggs means fewer
sprays to regulate juveniles. To knockdown, I use Orthene or diazinon
(preferably Orthene).
Gary
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:HyISa.96444$GL4.27096@rwcrnsc53...
Makes sense - so what do u use to knock them down? Although this time at
least, I already started w/ Enstar.

"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I agree with the Enstar as I mentionned above. But I think the whole

process
of bringing things under control is helped by something that helps knock
down the adult population first. Then bring on the guns that prevent

any
more from maturing.
Gary

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth

regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate

seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and

not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything

with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd

time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again

with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3

weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several

thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now

on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for

several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy

prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often

is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of

trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing"

the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets

some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I

know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little

ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep

popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest

problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the

Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and

found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals

like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,

for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the

whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register

found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and

3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the

Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want

to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,

and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to

do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.

Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana












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