Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem. That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion), but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again with a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I know I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem. That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like it would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

First of all, forget Safers - ordinary household liquid detergents are just
as effective and far less expensive.

When I used the Enstar II-neem combo, I put soap in to emulsify the neem
oil, so got that benefit for the Enstar as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

.. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:TorSa.90617$GL4.25965@rwcrnsc53...
Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like it
would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and
not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything
with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd
time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3
weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now
on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for
several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of
trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets
some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little
ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals
like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,
for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the
whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register
found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want
to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,
and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

Diana, can only tell you my experiences.... I had some trouble with soft
scale & mealie bugs.
Over the last couple of years I have used everything! You name it I've used
it.
Like Ray, I purchased Enstar II & Mavrik, recommended by someone on this
newsgroup?
It is very expensive but does the job if you follow directions carefully. (2
regimens, curative & preventative)
The price will knock your socks off but if I add up the price of all the
stuff I have purchased over
the last couple years, it costs less.
I also told a friend about it, his greenhouse was full of scale both types.
He is most pleased with
the results.
I got mine here in OC, S.Cal at a farm supply store.
Cheers Wendy

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem. That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals and on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement. Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

Hi Ray - how much soap do you use per gal of mix?
Thanks! Jerry

"Ray" wrote in message
...
First of all, forget Safers - ordinary household liquid detergents are
just
as effective and far less expensive.

When I used the Enstar II-neem combo, I put soap in to emulsify the neem
oil, so got that benefit for the Enstar as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:TorSa.90617$GL4.25965@rwcrnsc53...
Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like it
would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth
regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and
not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything
with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd
time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3
weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now
on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for
several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often
is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of
trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing"
the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets
some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little
ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep
popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest
problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the
Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and
found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals
like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,
for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the
whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register
found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and
3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want
to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,
and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to
do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

I agree with the Enstar as I mentionned above. But I think the whole process
of bringing things under control is helped by something that helps knock
down the adult population first. Then bring on the guns that prevent any
more from maturing.
Gary

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3 weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or, for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide, and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind paying a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana

Makes sense - so what do u use to knock them down? Although this time at
least, I already started w/ Enstar.

"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I agree with the Enstar as I mentionned above. But I think the whole
process
of bringing things under control is helped by something that helps knock
down the adult population first. Then bring on the guns that prevent any
more from maturing.
Gary

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and
not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything
with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd
time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3
weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now
on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for
several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of
trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing" the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets
some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little
ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals
like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,
for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the
whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register
found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and 3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want
to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,
and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

Yeah, I think if I were going to use a "nasty" insecticide, I'd choose
Orthene. It's a systemic and if I remember correctly, it breaks down to
"harmless" substances pretty quickly (some number of days). Likely it would
work better than Malathion and be less "nasty". As I understand, Enstar is
hard to find - I got it from a grower (w/ actual business) friend of mine.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind paying
a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are
going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by
the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana

Thanks Ray and Gary - I did an Enstar only spraying this time.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
About 1-2 tablespoons - a hefty dollop, not really measured.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:MLySa.92444$OZ2.19515@rwcrnsc54...
Hi Ray - how much soap do you use per gal of mix?
Thanks! Jerry

"Ray" wrote in message
...
First of all, forget Safers - ordinary household liquid detergents are
just
as effective and far less expensive.

When I used the Enstar II-neem combo, I put soap in to emulsify the
neem
oil, so got that benefit for the Enstar as well.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:TorSa.90617$GL4.25965@rwcrnsc53...
Have you tried Enstar mixed with Safer Soap or Physan? Seems like
it
would
be beneficial to include some sort of spreader / sticker.

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth
regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on
other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble
(and
not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit
everything
with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench,
2nd
time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and
again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3
weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for
several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from
now
on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for
several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general
policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder
every-so-often
is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of
trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to
"ant-proofing"
the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse
gets
some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the
anoles,
I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of
little
ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep
popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps
some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest
problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the
Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and
found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting
Phals
like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol,
or,
for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before
the
whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple
of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the
register
found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil,
and
3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also,
swarms
of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't
want
to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the
Organocide,
and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need
to
do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little
reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana

this is from the speach i give on "Orchid pests and there control in the
green house enviroment"


.."REentry Interval: 12 to 24 hours
..Acephate dissipates rapidly with half-lives of 3 and 6 days in aerobic and
anaerobic soils respectively.
..6 to 12 days to be completely out of the bark mixture
..Most of the applied acephate and degradate methamidophos degrade to
immobile compounds in 20-60 days!!!
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
et...
Yeah, I think if I were going to use a "nasty" insecticide, I'd choose
Orthene. It's a systemic and if I remember correctly, it breaks down to
"harmless" substances pretty quickly (some number of days). Likely it
would
work better than Malathion and be less "nasty". As I understand, Enstar
is
hard to find - I got it from a grower (w/ actual business) friend of mine.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind
paying
a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but
my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are
going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by
the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana

this is from the speach i give on "Orchid pests and there control in the
green house enviroment"


.."REentry Interval: 12 to 24 hours
..Acephate dissipates rapidly with half-lives of 3 and 6 days in aerobic and
anaerobic soils respectively.
..6 to 12 days to be completely out of the bark mixture
..Most of the applied acephate and degradate methamidophos degrade to
immobile compounds in 20-60 days!!!
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
et...
Yeah, I think if I were going to use a "nasty" insecticide, I'd choose
Orthene. It's a systemic and if I remember correctly, it breaks down to
"harmless" substances pretty quickly (some number of days). Likely it
would
work better than Malathion and be less "nasty". As I understand, Enstar
is
hard to find - I got it from a grower (w/ actual business) friend of mine.

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
Thanks so much, everyone, for info and moral support! I don't mind
paying
a
few extra $$ for Enstar. The problem is getting it quickly, as I can't
locate a seller in this area, and I need to do something immediately.
Perhaps I'm being a bit of an alarmist, and I don't have thousands, but
my
two hundred or so plants mean so much to me..........

I'm still loathe to use the Malathion, so tomorrow AM Frank and I are
going
to tackle the whole shebang with the Organocide, give everyone a good
drench. Of course, follow-up is a must, and perhaps I can get Enstar by
the
time that is due.

Tally Ho! Off to the great bug hunt!

Diana

Enstar doesn't hit the adults who can live their normal lives (provided
something else in the spray doesn't affect them). That's the reason for the
knockdown. Knockdown the adults, no more eggs. No more eggs means fewer
sprays to regulate juveniles. To knockdown, I use Orthene or diazinon
(preferably Orthene).
Gary
"Jerry Hoffmeister" wrote in message
news:HyISa.96444$GL4.27096@rwcrnsc53...
Makes sense - so what do u use to knock them down? Although this time at
least, I already started w/ Enstar.

"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I agree with the Enstar as I mentionned above. But I think the whole
process
of bringing things under control is helped by something that helps knock
down the adult population first. Then bring on the guns that prevent
any
more from maturing.
Gary

"Ray" wrote in message
...
You might want to consider Enstar II, as it's an insect growth
regulator
rather than killer. No maturation = no more bugs. No impact on other
critters or the environment.

I have used it mixed with neem oil with great success.

--

Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com
Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info!

. . . . . . . . . . .
"V_coerulea" wrote in message
.. .
I recently had an outbreak of cattleya scale which can devestate
seedlings
in a heatbeat and bring the big ones down without much trouble (and
not
just
cattleyas). There were also a few mealies around. I hit everything
with
Orthene twice, 6 days apart, first time as a spray and drench, 2nd
time
just
spray. I followed up with Enstar II twice at control doses and again
with
a
preventative dose. I haven't seen any signs of infestation in 3
weeks -X
(fingers crossed). You can imagine how long this took for several
thousand
plants. But at that point, what was the alternative? I know from now
on
that
all new plants, especially trades, get treated and isolated for
several
weeks before joining the collection. This had been my general policy
prior
to the infestation. I got lax. My fault. A reminder every-so-often
is
necessary for some of us to get back on track. I had a bunch of
trouble
a
number of years ago with scale and mealies prior to "ant-proofing"
the
greenhouse. Sealed and screened pretty tightly, the greenhouse gets
some
spray around doors but usually that's about it. As for the anoles, I
know
I
lose some when I have to spray. But judging by the number of little
ones
around a lot of eggs are in protected sand somewhere that keep
popping
out.
They're pretty good survivors. Best of luck. Hope this helps some.
Gary

"Diana Kulaga" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Hi, Gang,

Thus far, I've never had what I would call a *serious* pest
problem.
That
seems to have changed. I've been spotting mealies around the
Phals
and
on
some other plants. I pulled an ailing Phal out of its pot and
found
the
roots infested with the things. Since, I've been repotting Phals
like
crazy. And finding scale. Normally, I use straight alcohol, or,
for
scale,
alcohol/soap/oil. Both are effective.

Now, however, I'm afraid I need to do something more, before the
whole
collection has problems (found more scale today, on a couple of
Angraecums).
Today I picked up Malathion at HD, and on my way to the register
found
a
product called Organocide, which advertises itself as a
pesticide/fungicide,
and which is comprised of 5% sesame oil, 92% edible fish oil, and
3%
lecithin. I bought both products.

It's not that I'm completely averse to using chemicals (the
Malathion),
but
like anyone else I'd rather avoid it if possible. Also, swarms of
geckos
reside in the lanai where most of the plants are, and I don't want
to
injure
the beneficial little guys if I can help it.

So my question has to do with the effectiveness of the Organocide,
and
also
if I use Malathion can I water it through the medium? I need to
do
something very soon; case by case isn't cutting it.

Anyone? Ah, I guess I'm just looking for a little reinforcement.
Come
Monday morning I'll probably bomb the place with Malathion.

Diana