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It would almost have be smith-kovachii, or the inverse (depending on which
parent he/she wanted to honor first). Hyphenation seems to be allowed, although frowned upon. I wonder if there is some approval or review board? "Kenni Judd" wrote in message ... Hey, Al: If I can't deposit them, no need for extra points G. But, if Mr. Kovach's mother's last name was Smith, and he named a plant after both parents, it would be Smithkovachii? Or Kovachsmithii? Or would he be entitled to decide between the two choices? [Or maybe his wife would choose the former? G ]. Naming hybrids is much simpler -- if the person is alive, you use his or her name; if dead, you put Mem. in front of it ... That, my poor tired brain can keep track of! -- Kenni Judd Juno Beach Orchids http://www.jborchids.com "Al" wrote in message ... I remember when I was under the assumption that Kenni was a man's name. How many extra points do you want? :-) I'm being free with them. ...and they are worth about as much. A patronym is a scientific name created to honor a person. Let's assume Mr Kovach is okay with his mother and wife's decision to keep their own names. :-) I am still searching for a rule governing the choice of substantival and adjectival commemoratives. I thought I had pinned it down, but could find no confirmation. One is used to name a plant *for* a person, which assumes they are still alive. The other is used to name a plant *after* a person, which assumes the are dead. |
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Al ) wrote:
: These rules pertain only to genera and species name creation. they do not : effect man-made hybrid (cross) names. So unless you are publishing the name : of a new species you are good to go without having to add -ea to the name. : In fact one of the rules in naming a man-made hybrid is that you should : avoid latinizing the name. Botanical latin names are reserved only for : naturally occurring species. Boy, the people creating all the multi-generic oncids really paid attention to that rule now didn't they? ;-) In general though it seems that rule is commonly violated for hybrid genus names (e.g. Lc, Blc, Ascda, etc...). Dave |
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Make this distinction in your minds firm:
There are naturally occurring species and genera and then there are man-made hybrids that involve species and other hybrids, sometimes across genera lines. The rules for naming each type are different, although there is some overlap. Regarding the naming of multi-generic hybrids: From my very old copy of "The Handbook on Orchid Nomenclature and Registration" the following are excepts from the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature, 1988" Article H.6 "The name of a hybrid genus (i.e. the name at the generic rank for a hybrid between representatives of two or more genera) is a condensed formula or equivalent to a condensed formula. "Such name of a bigeneric hybrid is a condensed formula in which the names adopted for the parent genera are combined into a single word, using the first part or the whole of one, and the last part or the whole of the other (but not the whole of both) and, if desirable, a connecting vowel. "Such name of an intergeneric hybrid derived from four or more genera is formed from the name of a person to which is added the termination -ara; no such name may exceed eight syllables. Such a name is regarded as a condensed formula. "Such name of a trigeneric hybrid is EITHER (a) a condensed formula in which the three names adopted for the parent genera are combined into a single word not exceeding eight syllables, using the whole or first part of one, followed by the whole or any part of another, followed by the whole or last part of the third (but not the whole of all three) and, if desirable, one or two connecting vowels, OR (b) a named formed like that of a hybrid genus derived from four or more genera, i.e. from a personal name to which is added the termination -ara. close parentheses) I have published a nothogenra with the help of the RHS registrar. Huntingtonara [Htg.] Paraphalaenopsis x Phalaenopsis x Renathera x Vandopsis I had seedlings of (Ernestara Firestorm x Paraphalaenopsis Sunny) for sale at one time. I had made this grex. None had bloomed and still haven't so the actual grex remains unregistered. However, I was selling them and it was causing confusion because no other hybrid made using all four genera had ever been registered and there was no artificial genera name for this grouping. So I didn't know what to print on the tags. Anyway, my dog BamBam had just died and I asked Mr. Shaw if I could name this new nothogenra Bambamara but he said it was unlikely the name would be approved unless I could prove BamBam was a person or renown in the orchid world. So I suggested either Huntingtonara, after Merritt Huntington or Nortonara are HP Norton. I did not seek permission from either,and I think that was a faux pas. Anyway, the committee approved Huntingtonara and it was published in the New Orchid hybrid registration addendum in, I think, January 2004. I suppose Merritt would have like this story, although I never got around to telling it to him. He would have probably made some sour comment about coming in second to a dead dog, and then his eyes would twinkle as he watched my reaction to see if he had managed to get my goat. I think he got a hoot out of collecting goats. It is suppose to be impossible to cross Paraphals with Phals. I though maybe I could do it by a less direct method. These seedlings grow as if they know they can not exist. I am hoping to see at least one bloom one day, but they may have other ideas. Since Merritt Huntington's recent death, it has become even more important to me to see them flower. "Dave Sheehy" wrote in message ... Al ) wrote: : These rules pertain only to genera and species name creation. they do not : effect man-made hybrid (cross) names. So unless you are publishing the name : of a new species you are good to go without having to add -ea to the name. : In fact one of the rules in naming a man-made hybrid is that you should : avoid latinizing the name. Botanical latin names are reserved only for : naturally occurring species. Boy, the people creating all the multi-generic oncids really paid attention to that rule now didn't they? ;-) In general though it seems that rule is commonly violated for hybrid genus names (e.g. Lc, Blc, Ascda, etc...). Dave |
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