(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to consult a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Beam me up, Scotty.

-Gaiawar

Soylent green is made of people.

So, there just may be a future for you after all, Gaiawar!!!

A lame webtver has not place criticizing someone who uses a real computer
instead of a crappy toy wannabe.


Gaiawar wrote in message
om...
(Iris Cohen) wrote in message
...
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock
of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took
millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed
site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to consult
a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Beam me up, Scotty.

-Gaiawar

(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

Years have passed during my search for a citation of such an event.
What is your reference?

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to consult a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Nor can it be explained in a long e-mail, for no one can explain it.
Correct me with sensible documetation if I err. My garage holds thirty
cases of books that cover the subject, and I have disrespectfully
dog-eared them all.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

In keeping this botany related I offer that manipulation of energy
effects changes in the taxonomical identity of a flora species. I
learned to do this from cross-disciplined study of current physics
and Torah/Septuagint/Zohar. No hocus-pocus involved.
Humans are much more than you want them to be.

Beam me up, Scotty.

-Gaiawar, Echosyn of Jachin618

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

That light for you, as you say, is sudden annihilation. That light for
me is the inheritance of joy upon joy unspeakable.

(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
There was a letter in the newspaper recently about evolution, in which the
writer pointed out that the Devonian fishes which eventually evolved into
amphibians already had the humerus, radius, ulna, femur, tibia, and fibula
which are necessary for legs (and arms). Absolutely blew me away.
The truth of evolution is far more awe-inspiring than the Creationists'
nonsense. There is a new form of Creationism called Grand Design which they are
trying to sneak into the public schools. They are ignoring the fact that each
religion (as well as atheism) has its own way of interpreting the Grand Design,
or whether it exists. This does not belong in public school.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

From the side lines I watch this debate without judgement and continue
to follow my own curiosity down the bioelectromagnetic rabbit hole.
Too many questions yet aound for any rational student of life to take
a hard and fast position on either side of the argument.
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock
of species? What are the mechanisms that effect the event? Is natural
law but a subset of a Creator?

-Gaiawar

For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to consult a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Too bad none of those subjects say anything at all about genetics, botany or
even basic biology. Otherwise you might actually have an inkling to how
living organisms reproduce and evolve over time.

Maybe you should go back to school to enlighten your ape brain?


Gaiawar wrote in message
om...
(Iris Cohen) wrote in message
...
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock
of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took
millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed
site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

Years have passed during my search for a citation of such an event.
What is your reference?

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to consult
a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Nor can it be explained in a long e-mail, for no one can explain it.
Correct me with sensible documetation if I err. My garage holds thirty
cases of books that cover the subject, and I have disrespectfully
dog-eared them all.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

In keeping this botany related I offer that manipulation of energy
effects changes in the taxonomical identity of a flora species. I
learned to do this from cross-disciplined study of current physics
and Torah/Septuagint/Zohar. No hocus-pocus involved.
Humans are much more than you want them to be.

Beam me up, Scotty.

-Gaiawar, Echosyn of Jachin618

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

That light for you, as you say, is sudden annihilation. That light for
me is the inheritance of joy upon joy unspeakable.

Gaiawar wrote
In keeping this botany related I offer that manipulation of energy
effects changes in the taxonomical identity of a flora species. I
learned to do this from cross-disciplined study of current physics
and Torah/Septuagint/Zohar. No hocus-pocus involved.
Humans are much more than you want them to be.

Beam me up, Scotty.

+ + +
The spiritual level at which this takes place does not allow translating
into concepts that are compatible with each other, or, likely, with the real
world?
PvR

Maybe you should go back to school

Cereoid, the poor fellow is obviously a schizophrenic, like Archimedes. Let's
not make fun of him. It is sad that he has a garage full of books on evolution
or related subjects, and doesn't understand any of them. Stick to needling the
students who want us to do their term-paper research.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

There was a letter in the newspaper recently about evolution, in which the
writer pointed out that the Devonian fishes which eventually evolved into
amphibians already had the humerus, radius, ulna, femur, tibia, and fibula
which are necessary for legs (and arms). Absolutely blew me away.
The truth of evolution is far more awe-inspiring than the Creationists'
nonsense. There is a new form of Creationism called Grand Design which they are
trying to sneak into the public schools. They are ignoring the fact that each
religion (as well as atheism) has its own way of interpreting the Grand Design,
or whether it exists. This does not belong in public school.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

In article , Gaiawar
writes
It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed site
in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

Years have passed during my search for a citation of such an event.
What is your reference?

Perhaps Senecio eboracensis (see http://www.bsbi.org.uk/Volume_24.htm).

You might find something in Verne Grant's "Plant Speciation".

There's supposed to be new orchid species which have appeared on coal
tips in central Scotland, but I wasn't able to find a reference in
Google.

There's always polyploid speciation, which takes place in one
generation.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message .com...
Soylent green is made of people.

So, there just may be a future for you after all, Gaiawar!!!

A lame webtver has not place criticizing someone who uses a real computer
instead of a crappy toy wannabe.


Gaiawar wrote in message
om...
(Iris Cohen) wrote in message
...
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing stock
of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took
millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed
site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to consult
a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Beam me up, Scotty.

-Gaiawar

You are the chief of prejudjing fools, Cereoid; my computer goes to
the web for business, and my web appliance comes here for fun; you are
the 4 ball on the table, so tell us
how to play billiards with genomes.

-Gaiawar .785398

A creationist accusing somebody else of prejudging. Now, that is a real knee
slapper of a joke!

If you haven't learned how by now, it is far too late for you to understand,
Gawkward.

Your creator apparently doesn't consider you worthy enough to know the
truth.
After all, you are only a lame webtver too cheap to invest in a real
computer!
Your web appliance? Is that something like the helmet you wear so that you
don't hurt your head with that poorly developed monkey brain?


Gaiawar wrote in message
om...
"Cereoid-UR12-" wrote in message
.com...
Soylent green is made of people.

So, there just may be a future for you after all, Gaiawar!!!

A lame webtver has not place criticizing someone who uses a real
computer
instead of a crappy toy wannabe.


Gaiawar wrote in message
om...
(Iris Cohen) wrote in message
...
For example, how fast can a new species arise from the existing
stock
of
species? BRBR

It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took
millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly
disturbed
site in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

What are the mechanisms that effect the event?

Sorry, that can not be explained in a short e-mail. You need to
consult
a few
books on the subject, starting with the Origin of Species.

Is natural law but a subset of a Creator?

Maybe. Consult your clergyman.

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the
oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Beam me up, Scotty.

-Gaiawar

You are the chief of prejudjing fools, Cereoid; my computer goes to
the web for business, and my web appliance comes here for fun; you are
the 4 ball on the table, so tell us
how to play billiards with genomes.

-Gaiawar .785398

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in message ...
In article , Gaiawar
writes
It varies widely. Apparently for humans & other primates it took millions of
years. For orchids & some other plants which colonize a newly disturbed site
in
the jungle, it may only take a few generations.

Years have passed during my search for a citation of such an event.
What is your reference?

Perhaps Senecio eboracensis (see http://www.bsbi.org.uk/Volume_24.htm).

You might find something in Verne Grant's "Plant Speciation".

There's supposed to be new orchid species which have appeared on coal
tips in central Scotland, but I wasn't able to find a reference in
Google.

There's always polyploid speciation, which takes place in one
generation.

Thanks for the cogent and useful reply. I will enjoy the study.

-Gaiawar

(Iris Cohen) wrote in message ...
Maybe you should go back to school

Cereoid, the poor fellow is obviously a schizophrenic, like Archimedes. Let's
not make fun of him. It is sad that he has a garage full of books on evolution
or related subjects, and doesn't understand any of them. Stick to needling the
students who want us to do their term-paper research.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Read "Numbers In Nature". A study of fractal science would be a good
followup. Chase that with Euler-Escher-Bach to get a handle on the
relevance to botany. That's when you go beyond the trees and see the
forest with its symphonic energies. Closer to your comprehension is
the new-on-the-market product soluble rice bran: Rice-X, Risotriene.
Reduce the analysis of the product to numbers and see the synergies
along with our follies. IOW, Periodic Law governs all disciplines of
science. In Periodic law there are key numbers that can be used as cue
balls on the billiard table of life.
Do your homework. It's all there on the www.

-Gaiawar

"P van Rijckevorsel" wrote in message .. .
Gaiawar wrote
In keeping this botany related I offer that manipulation of energy
effects changes in the taxonomical identity of a flora species. I
learned to do this from cross-disciplined study of current physics
and Torah/Septuagint/Zohar. No hocus-pocus involved.
Humans are much more than you want them to be.

Beam me up, Scotty.

+ + +
The spiritual level at which this takes place does not allow translating
into concepts that are compatible with each other, or, likely, with the real
world?
PvR

The real world transcends your limited imagination. I'm laughing all
the way to the bank. Try reading "Infinity and the Mind" by Rudy
Rucker. Sit and listen with your eyes to the energies of an econiche
at a brook and watch it change through the seasons. Become friends
with a Red-Tailed Hawk and watch it become accustomed to your regular
presence as it rears its eyasses in an ancient Cottonwood tree. Air
layer a vine and plant the cutting in specially prepared soil, then
watch it take the form of a tree. Imagination born of disciplined
vision, blood, sweat, tears and faith has brought us all out of the
caves. Go back in and stay if you wish; just dont try to drag others
with you.

-Gaiawar