Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant clue to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially since you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

My God you are so critical of others, especially when one considers many of
the "erudite" questions from you. Con boca cerrado no entran moscos.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant clue
to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

I have never asked any questions in this little newsgroup. Nobody here would
know the answers.

I have far better, more accurate sources of information, than to waste my
time using public opinion as a source.

I actually go to research libraries and look things up in the original
sources in books and periodicals. You should try it. You might learn
something.

If someone needs hand holding, they should take an intro to botany class.

"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
My God you are so critical of others, especially when one considers many
of
the "erudite" questions from you. Con boca cerrado no entran moscos.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant
clue
to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

hey definitly would, used to teach one on the University level. However,
since you already know almost everything about everything, I guess you could
look up all of what you don't know in one small book. It would be quick and
easy for you. Sort of like all all your retorts.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
I have never asked any questions in this little newsgroup. Nobody here
would
know the answers.

I have far better, more accurate sources of information, than to waste my
time using public opinion as a source.

I actually go to research libraries and look things up in the original
sources in books and periodicals. You should try it. You might learn
something.

If someone needs hand holding, they should take an intro to botany class.

"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
My God you are so critical of others, especially when one considers many
of
the "erudite" questions from you. Con boca cerrado no entran moscos.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained
chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant
clue
to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially
since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a
clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

I would tell you to bite me but I don't want to take the shots for rabies.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
hey definitly would, used to teach one on the University level. However,
since you already know almost everything about everything, I guess you
could
look up all of what you don't know in one small book. It would be quick
and
easy for you. Sort of like all all your retorts.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
I have never asked any questions in this little newsgroup. Nobody here
would
know the answers.

I have far better, more accurate sources of information, than to waste
my
time using public opinion as a source.

I actually go to research libraries and look things up in the original
sources in books and periodicals. You should try it. You might learn
something.

If someone needs hand holding, they should take an intro to botany
class.

"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
My God you are so critical of others, especially when one considers
many
of
the "erudite" questions from you. Con boca cerrado no entran moscos.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained
chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant
clue
to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially
since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a
clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot
family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

ONLY IF YOU WERE A REUBEN SANDWICH AND I WERE TRULY HUNGRY. SINCE NEITHER
IS TRUE THEN I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO BITE YOURSELF. ENJOY!

AND, I'M SORRY TO HEAR YOU"VE BEEN MESSING WITH THOSE RACCOONS AGAIN. .

Chuck


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
I would tell you to bite me but I don't want to take the shots for rabies.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
hey definitly would, used to teach one on the University level.
However,
since you already know almost everything about everything, I guess you
could
look up all of what you don't know in one small book. It would be quick
and
easy for you. Sort of like all all your retorts.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
I have never asked any questions in this little newsgroup. Nobody here
would
know the answers.

I have far better, more accurate sources of information, than to waste
my
time using public opinion as a source.

I actually go to research libraries and look things up in the original
sources in books and periodicals. You should try it. You might learn
something.

If someone needs hand holding, they should take an intro to botany
class.

"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
My God you are so critical of others, especially when one considers
many
of
the "erudite" questions from you. Con boca cerrado no entran
moscos.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained
chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very
hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a
blatant
clue
to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially
since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant
yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a
clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot
family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand,
and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

You are not allowed to play with spank the monkey.

You might give him monkey pox!!!!


"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
ONLY IF YOU WERE A REUBEN SANDWICH AND I WERE TRULY HUNGRY. SINCE NEITHER
IS TRUE THEN I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO BITE YOURSELF. ENJOY!

AND, I'M SORRY TO HEAR YOU"VE BEEN MESSING WITH THOSE RACCOONS AGAIN. .

Chuck


"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
I would tell you to bite me but I don't want to take the shots for
rabies.


"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
hey definitly would, used to teach one on the University level.
However,
since you already know almost everything about everything, I guess you
could
look up all of what you don't know in one small book. It would be
quick
and
easy for you. Sort of like all all your retorts.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
...
I have never asked any questions in this little newsgroup. Nobody
here
would
know the answers.

I have far better, more accurate sources of information, than to
waste
my
time using public opinion as a source.

I actually go to research libraries and look things up in the
original
sources in books and periodicals. You should try it. You might learn
something.

If someone needs hand holding, they should take an intro to botany
class.

"Chuck" wrote in message
ink.net...
My God you are so critical of others, especially when one
considers
many
of
the "erudite" questions from you. Con boca cerrado no entran
moscos.

Chuck

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
m...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a
trained
chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very
hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a
blatant
clue
to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all.
Especially
since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant
yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks
a
clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot
family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand,
and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

"Cereus-validus" wrote in message om...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant clue to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially since you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

Well, since you had identified the plant perfectly adequately, there
would have been no point in repeating the information.

Smell is only one clue, and it's not reliable on its own; I imagine
many blind people would agree. As I said, learners need confirmation
of their diagnoses.

You no doubt take the attitude which suits your purposes; but I'd like
to see more people joining this very slow group rather than being put
off by insults from total strangers.

Mike.

Yada, yada, yada.

Get back to us when you grow a brain.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Wake up, Mikey, and don't be such a gimp.

There are so many wild flower books out there that even a trained chimp
could easily identify such a common plant without trying very hard.

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant
clue to
its identity even to a blind man.

So your wussy excuses have absolutely no merit at all. Especially since
you
made absolutely no effort in trying to identify the plant yourself.


"Mike Lyle" wrote in message
om...
"Cereus-validus" wrote in message
om...
Shame on you for not knowing this very common plant.

Oh, come on! That's no way to treat a willing learner who asks a clear
question and provides good photographic evidence. The carrot family
can be tricky for a beginner, even with a field guide in hand, and
people need confirmation along the way.

Mike.

Well, since you had identified the plant perfectly adequately, there
would have been no point in repeating the information.

Smell is only one clue, and it's not reliable on its own; I imagine
many blind people would agree. As I said, learners need confirmation
of their diagnoses.

You no doubt take the attitude which suits your purposes; but I'd like
to see more people joining this very slow group rather than being put
off by insults from total strangers.

Mike.

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:38:19 +0200, Cereus-validus wrote
(in article ):

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant clue to
its identity even to a blind man.


Well.. if you live in central europe, you will find a lot of plants like this
(Umbelliferae, Apiaceae). I have - even with a book - sometimes big
difficulties to really identify them. And - a plant looking simular (though
not in size) is Heracleum spondylium and Heracleum mantegazzianum - and the
latter one is quite poisonous to the skin (Bergapten, Pimpinellin,
Xanthotoxin). Also simular a Aegopodium podagraria, Aethusa cynapium ssp.
cynapium, Angelica archangelica ssp. litoralis, Angelica sylvestris,
Athamantha cretensis, Carum carvi.
So yes, a wild carrot is common, but not always easy to identify - for
"normal" folks like me.

just my 2 euro-cents

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Thank your lucky stars for coming out of your coma long enough to post some
irrelevant trivia for a long dead thread.

Everyone else has moved on to other things long ago.

We weren't talking about unusual European Apiaceae, we were talking about
Daucus carota growing in New Jersey.

That's odd, you don't come across as "normal folk" at all.


"JPB" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:38:19 +0200, Cereus-validus wrote
(in article ):

The very fact that the plant smells like a carrot would be a blatant
clue to
its identity even to a blind man.


Well.. if you live in central europe, you will find a lot of plants like
this
(Umbelliferae, Apiaceae). I have - even with a book - sometimes big
difficulties to really identify them. And - a plant looking simular
(though
not in size) is Heracleum spondylium and Heracleum mantegazzianum - and
the
latter one is quite poisonous to the skin (Bergapten, Pimpinellin,
Xanthotoxin). Also simular a Aegopodium podagraria, Aethusa cynapium
ssp.
cynapium, Angelica archangelica ssp. litoralis, Angelica sylvestris,
Athamantha cretensis, Carum carvi.
So yes, a wild carrot is common, but not always easy to identify - for
"normal" folks like me.

just my 2 euro-cents

================================================== ==============
Hogwasher: You don't have to sacrifice friendliness for power
http://www.asar.com/cgi-bin/product....hogwasher.html
================================================== ==============

Cereus-validus wrote:
Thank your lucky stars for coming out of your coma long enough to post some
irrelevant trivia for a long dead thread.

I read this thread inadvertanly while moving to another newsserver.
Irrelevant is a weired word concerning plants, but I already learned
here that you tend to be.. erm.. funny. ^^

Everyone else has moved on to other things long ago.

This newsgroup isn't *that* big to get lost in threads. If you do, you
should get yourself a bigger CRT..


We weren't talking about unusual European Apiaceae, we were talking about
Daucus carota growing in New Jersey.

You were talking about Apiaceae. In europe are the others also very
common, you find them everywhere.

In my garden, I see a lot of plants coming from around the world, they
got here without my doing. last month I made jam from mahony, which is
now growing everywhere. I would not be surprised if the same is over
there in the New Colonies. Heracleum mantegazzianum became a plague in
central europe now, many other foreign plants too - in my garden it was
eg. vigina creeper and, which is a really beast from hell: Oxalis
corniculata
(http://nafoku.de/flora/oxalidaceae/p...-330x440-d.jpg). This
Oxalis spread over all gardens and areas here the last few years and
destroys lawns and it is almost impossible to get rid of. If you like to
get killed by my ma, just say the words "red oxalis".. Anyone knows
what to do against this beast? The worst plantaginetea I ever had.

That's odd, you don't come across as "normal folk" at all.

I don't feel any special, do I?

This Oxalis spread over all gardens and areas here the last few years and
destroys lawns and it is almost impossible to get rid of.

Interesting. If you mean that little one with yellow flowers (I always forget
the species name), it is a pest here too, but we have worse ones in the lawn.
Queen Anne's lace isn't really a noxious weed in gardens here. It is very
common on roadsides & other waste places.
Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)

Iris Cohen wrote:

Interesting. If you mean that little one with yellow flowers

Noone I asked can remember seeing this oxalis here before (eg. my
grandma). It spread the last, let's say 10 years across all gardens and
places. If you don't fight it, your lawn will be ripped off to pieces.
But it also spreads in borders and other places, esp. along roads and
places typical for other plants here. The leafs are always quite red and
roots are up to 15cm. It is highly competitive against ivy (hedera
helix), plantains and dandelion (taraxacum officinalis). I saw the first
on in my garden several years ago. It was nice looking and had those
tiny little yellow blossoms....... well.. if I knew... *sigh*

Noone I asked can remember seeing this oxalis here before (eg. my
grandma). It spread the last, let's say 10 years across all gardens and
places.

It is a US native. I am sooo sorry. If you could see all the terrible weeds
that we got from Europe, you would sympathize. ;-)

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"If we see light at the end of the tunnel, It's the light of the oncoming
train."
Robert Lowell (1917-1977)