I'm a complete novice, so I'm looking for some help

I saw a nice idea for the patio with a rigid liner surrounded by earth/sand,
then sleepers built round it.

However, I wanted our small rigid pond for somewhere else (maybe
semi-raised, as I can't dig much due to illness).

Could the raised sleeper idea be done with flexible liner ?
I'm talking about 4' 6'' x 3'

TIA

Peter

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:57:14 +0100, 2pods wrote:



I'm a complete novice, so I'm looking for some help

I saw a nice idea for the patio with a rigid liner surrounded by earth/sand,
then sleepers built round it.

However, I wanted our small rigid pond for somewhere else (maybe
semi-raised, as I can't dig much due to illness).

Could the raised sleeper idea be done with flexible liner ?
I'm talking about 4' 6'' x 3'

TIA

Peter

Hi im a complete novice with these news groups so please dont shot if im
doing some thing wrong
I cant see that there would be a problem with using line for your
idea.Although you would have to hold the sleepers in place somehow, so
that the waters weight doesnt shift the sleepers. I would also use Buytl
for your liner. hope that helps.

Yes. You could for example make a frame of 6X6 pressure treated lumber -
stack the lumber and put L brackets on the inside and outside. Cement
bricks would also work and I don't think you would have to worry about
anchoring for the size you are talking. How deep are you going?

I was given a rigid liner and did not want to dig down for both the odd
shape and the depth I would have had to have gone. After chewing it around
with other ponders in the other room I ended up digging a foot down for the
lowest section of the kidney shaped pond which was basically digging a foot
deep by about a foot and a half round. The 'shelf' then sat on the ground
and I filled in around the edge with dirt giving me a hill like effect that
was then planted with very happy plants that had nice rich loose topsoil to
grow in. (I can send you a picture if you like).


"2pods" wrote in message
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I'm a complete novice, so I'm looking for some help

I saw a nice idea for the patio with a rigid liner surrounded by
earth/sand,
then sleepers built round it.

However, I wanted our small rigid pond for somewhere else (maybe
semi-raised, as I can't dig much due to illness).

Could the raised sleeper idea be done with flexible liner ?
I'm talking about 4' 6'' x 3'

TIA

Peter

Don't know what Butyl is.... If you are putting fish in the pond you want to
be real careful to use a liner that is fish safe.
"Slinky" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:57:14 +0100, 2pods wrote:



I'm a complete novice, so I'm looking for some help

I saw a nice idea for the patio with a rigid liner surrounded by
earth/sand,
then sleepers built round it.

However, I wanted our small rigid pond for somewhere else (maybe
semi-raised, as I can't dig much due to illness).

Could the raised sleeper idea be done with flexible liner ?
I'm talking about 4' 6'' x 3'

TIA

Peter

Hi im a complete novice with these news groups so please dont shot if im
doing some thing wrong
I cant see that there would be a problem with using line for your
idea.Although you would have to hold the sleepers in place somehow, so
that the waters weight doesnt shift the sleepers. I would also use Buytl
for your liner. hope that helps.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:30:11 +0000, dkat wrote:

Don't know what Butyl is.... If you are putting fish in the pond you want to
be real careful to use a liner that is fish safe.
"Slinky" wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:57:14 +0100, 2pods wrote:


Butyl is a flexibale liner which is very very tough it comes with a life
time warrenty. Its also fish safe. costs more then pvc but 10 times better

That's exactly what I want to do with the teeny rigid pond.

I think the liner for the other one should be ok.
It's only going to be 2' deep (got to start somewhere ;-) ) and came with
it's own pump.

I was going to use brackets on the inside, but thought they might have
ripped the liner ?

Thanks for your help

Peter
"dkat" wrote in message
t...
Yes. You could for example make a frame of 6X6 pressure treated lumber -
stack the lumber and put L brackets on the inside and outside. Cement
bricks would also work and I don't think you would have to worry about
anchoring for the size you are talking. How deep are you going?

I was given a rigid liner and did not want to dig down for both the odd
shape and the depth I would have had to have gone. After chewing it
around
with other ponders in the other room I ended up digging a foot down for
the
lowest section of the kidney shaped pond which was basically digging a
foot
deep by about a foot and a half round. The 'shelf' then sat on the
ground
and I filled in around the edge with dirt giving me a hill like effect
that
was then planted with very happy plants that had nice rich loose topsoil
to
grow in. (I can send you a picture if you like).

I've also ran an armoured underground cable out to the back of the garden.

i.e rcd to waterproof junction box, cable to other junction box feeding a
waterproof 13A socket and a waterproof switch. Which,once everything is
running, would feed the two teeny pumps (both less than 1A).

However, at the mo', if the switch is turned on (still no pumps wired yet)
it trips the rcd.
Switch turned off, everything OK.
Is it because there is nothing wired to the switch yet ?

TIA Peter










"dkat" wrote in message
t...
Yes. You could for example make a frame of 6X6 pressure treated lumber -
stack the lumber and put L brackets on the inside and outside. Cement
bricks would also work and I don't think you would have to worry about
anchoring for the size you are talking. How deep are you going?

I was given a rigid liner and did not want to dig down for both the odd
shape and the depth I would have had to have gone. After chewing it
around
with other ponders in the other room I ended up digging a foot down for
the
lowest section of the kidney shaped pond which was basically digging a
foot
deep by about a foot and a half round. The 'shelf' then sat on the
ground
and I filled in around the edge with dirt giving me a hill like effect
that
was then planted with very happy plants that had nice rich loose topsoil
to
grow in. (I can send you a picture if you like).


"2pods" wrote in message
...
I'm a complete novice, so I'm looking for some help

I saw a nice idea for the patio with a rigid liner surrounded by
earth/sand,
then sleepers built round it.

However, I wanted our small rigid pond for somewhere else (maybe
semi-raised, as I can't dig much due to illness).

Could the raised sleeper idea be done with flexible liner ?
I'm talking about 4' 6'' x 3'

TIA

Peter

"2pods" wrote in message
...
I'm a complete novice, so I'm looking for some help

I saw a nice idea for the patio with a rigid liner surrounded by earth/sand,
then sleepers built round it.

However, I wanted our small rigid pond for somewhere else (maybe
semi-raised, as I can't dig much due to illness).

Could the raised sleeper idea be done with flexible liner ?
I'm talking about 4' 6'' x 3'

TIA

Peter


My pond is a partially raised, rigid type except with flexible liner. Take a
look at it on the following link. It was easy to construct. My wife and I
completed it in about two days. It might be a little different from what you
are envisioning, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

http://tinyurl.com/3cz8e

I hope this helps give you some ideas. Just remember, if you live in an area
that freezes in the winter, the pond should be deep enough that it won't freeze
solid. You can also buy a de-icer at any garden pond store, if needed.

"2pods" wrote in message
...
I've also ran an armoured underground cable out to the back of the garden.

i.e rcd to waterproof junction box, cable to other junction box feeding a
waterproof 13A socket and a waterproof switch. Which,once everything is
running, would feed the two teeny pumps (both less than 1A).

However, at the mo', if the switch is turned on (still no pumps wired yet)
it trips the rcd.
Switch turned off, everything OK.
Is it because there is nothing wired to the switch yet ?

TIA Peter


Sounds like you have a short somewhere in the wiring. Take a multimeter, or a
cheap electrical continuity tester and test for a short in the wiring, possibly
a frayed wire, or improper grounding.

My pond is a partially raised, rigid type except with flexible liner. Take
a
look at it on the following link. It was easy to construct. My wife and
I
completed it in about two days. It might be a little different from what
you
are envisioning, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

http://tinyurl.com/3cz8e

I hope this helps give you some ideas. Just remember, if you live in an
area
that freezes in the winter, the pond should be deep enough that it won't
freeze
solid. You can also buy a de-icer at any garden pond store, if needed.

Thanks George

It has given me quite a few ideas.
I hadn't thought about decreasing the width to increase the depth at all

Peter

Sounds like you have a short somewhere in the wiring. Take a multimeter,
or a
cheap electrical continuity tester and test for a short in the wiring,
possibly
a frayed wire, or improper grounding.



Ground wire
doh !

Peter

"2pods" wrote in message
...

My pond is a partially raised, rigid type except with flexible liner. Take
a
look at it on the following link. It was easy to construct. My wife and
I
completed it in about two days. It might be a little different from what
you
are envisioning, but maybe it will give you some ideas.

http://tinyurl.com/3cz8e

I hope this helps give you some ideas. Just remember, if you live in an
area
that freezes in the winter, the pond should be deep enough that it won't
freeze
solid. You can also buy a de-icer at any garden pond store, if needed.

Thanks George

It has given me quite a few ideas.
I hadn't thought about decreasing the width to increase the depth at all

Peter


No problem. By the way, I made a mistake in my description of the pond. I used
6"x6" fencing timbers, not 4"x4".