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What is the best type of pond snail?
Hello, NG.
From my expirence with freshwater aquariums, I found the snails I tried all reproduced quickly and were hard to control. Anyone have a recommendation for good pond snail? Or should I instead go with a few algae eaters from a tropical fish store? I live in north Florida and have a new, 5-day old, 400-500 gallon pond. Second question: I plan on adding snails or algae eaters next week -- about 10-14 days after setup. Is this good or bad timing? Patrick |
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oups.com... Hello, NG. From my expirence with freshwater aquariums, I found the snails I tried all reproduced quickly and were hard to control. Anyone have a recommendation for good pond snail? Or should I instead go with a few algae eaters from a tropical fish store? I live in north Florida and have a new, 5-day old, 400-500 gallon pond. Japanese Trapdoor snails are live bearers, don't breed very much so won't overrun your pond. They also won't bother your plants. On the downside, they don't eat all that much algae. But they're nice snails to have in the pond. Second question: I plan on adding snails or algae eaters next week -- about 10-14 days after setup. Is this good or bad timing? Patrick I can't see that it would be a problem unless there's not enough food for them. I suppose you could always toss in some algae tablets or flakes for awhile until algae appears. Gail near San Antonio TX Zone 8 |
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wrote in message ... there is no such thing as a good snail snip can you quantify that statement please? I was of the belief snails were beneficial to a pond, and are definitely part of a natural ponds ecosystem. Loopy -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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wrote in message ... there is no such thing as a good snail snip can you quantify that statement please? I was of the belief snails were beneficial to a pond, and are definitely part of a natural ponds ecosystem. Ingrid has a reasonably justifiable fear of snail-born pathogens. However, you're entirely right - they're a natural part a the ecosystem and they do have a beneficial place in the pond. You'll never eliminate them without killing off every other invertebrate in the pond anyway, so you have to live with them. I wouldn't actually go out and buy any, though. -- derek |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 13:59:29 +0100, "loopy livernose"
wrote: wrote in message ... there is no such thing as a good snail snip can you quantify that statement please? I was of the belief snails were beneficial to a pond, and are definitely part of a natural ponds ecosystem. Loopy The State of Maine Fish and Wildlife Department agrees that there is no such thing as a good snail, hence their importation into the state is illegal. "Snails - Because they serve as intermediate host for a wide range of aquatic parasites and other pathogens, all snails (Gastropoda) are restricted and can be imported only by a special importation permit with specific health certifications, therefore snails cannot be traded by commercial pet shops. " Introducing a snail into a fish pond would likely bring a double whammy, since pond fish are banned in the sate of Maine as well. I had the pleasure of meeting the man who does inspections across the state to enforce these laws. I asked him whether a pond in a private person's yard could have any fish at all, and he told me yes, they may have fish like shiners and blue gills if those fish were obtained from another lake in the state, but only with a special permit. He told me he has shut down hundreds of goldfish ponds and that the fine is $10,000. I ran into the guy quite by accident and I ran as many questions past him as I could, and I could have kept him busy for a few days without stopping for a break. Getting the story (and reason) on each and every species on the banned or permitted list. Introducing tadpoles into any body of water is illegal. First grade teachers are no longer permitted to bring in their tadpoles in a jar classroom projects. We were in a pet shop for this conversation, a pet shop that I knew had tons of little snails that had hitchhiked into the state on aquatic plants. I asked him if the law, and his enforcement, extended to those snails as well. He said, if I inspect the tanks here, and see a snail, I will tell the owner to kill them, and I will wait to see that it is done. Otherwise, I could shut down the store or issue a very large fine. When I posted the link to Maine's official list of allowed and banned species a few weeks ago, several people expressed disbelief that the Jack Dempsey has been added to the list of banned imports. How, many people asked, could a Jack Dempsey be a threat, no way could one survive a Maine winter. I asked the inspector about this and he told me that Jack Dempseys were found to have survived more than one winter in the state of Connecticut, whose climate can be just as harsh as southern Maine. Amazing. Recently, officials were finally able to capture and remove an alligator that had survived 3 winters in a Maine pond. And on a more hopeful note, this guy is not all bad. He told me he has closed 3 WalMart fish departments and expects to close another one this week. -- Mister Gardener -- Pull the WEED to email me |
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*Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG*
wrote in message oups.com... Hello, NG. From my expirence with freshwater aquariums, I found the snails I tried all reproduced quickly and were hard to control. Anyone have a recommendation for good pond snail? Or should I instead go with a few algae eaters from a tropical fish store? I live in north Florida and have a new, 5-day old, 400-500 gallon pond. Second question: I plan on adding snails or algae eaters next week -- Some snails are more prolific than I think you realize. Some carry disease. Koi and goldfish don't eat them. You then have to worry how you're going to get their population under control. about 10-14 days after setup. Is this good or bad timing? Algae eaters are known to rasp the slime coat of fish, removing the protective layer and exposing them to ulcer-disease and other infections. I would by-pass snails and algae eaters. -- Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1995. Aquariums since 1952. My Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://tinyurl.com/9do58 ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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your pond is not natural. snails are intermediate host for diseases of fish. if you
arent going to have goldfish or koi, then there isnt a problem. large snails, when they die and rot, are gaggingly putrid stinky. Ingrid "loopy livernose" wrote: wrote in message ... there is no such thing as a good snail snip can you quantify that statement please? I was of the belief snails were beneficial to a pond, and are definitely part of a natural ponds ecosystem. Loopy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan |
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On Wed, 3 May 2006 09:49:55 -0500, "Koi-Lo"
wrote: *Note: There are TWO "Koi-Lo's" on this NG* Learn to count bitch......... If I was adding any to my pond it would have to be that Carol Gulley species.......kinf of ....er ah, never maind, that species is a slug not a snail...............so if ya need a prolific slug the Gulley species is the way to go.............. Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://maketiny.com/1cT My pics. http://n5.se/1cR *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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Yet just your opinion........maybe you just have not mastered the art of keeping snails..........hmmmmm.......... not as smart as I usually gave yoiu creit for being.........have to add you to the list of dumbasses I guess................So with your way of t hinking then small snails when they die do not stink or gag yu? Duh! On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:58:44 GMT, wrote: your pond is not natural. snails are intermediate host for diseases of fish. if you arent going to have goldfish or koi, then there isnt a problem. large snails, when they die and rot, are gaggingly putrid stinky. Ingrid "loopy livernose" wrote: wrote in message ... there is no such thing as a good snail snip can you quantify that statement please? I was of the belief snails were beneficial to a pond, and are definitely part of a natural ponds ecosystem. Loopy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List at http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/ sign up: http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...s=Group+lookup www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ I receive no compensation for running the Puregold list or Puregold website. I do not run nor receive any money from the ads at the old Puregold site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Zone 5 next to Lake Michigan Koi-Lo.... Frugal ponding since 1982. Aquariums since 1956. Some assholes Pond & Aquarium Pages: http://maketiny.com/1cT My pics. http://n5.se/1cR *Note: There are several *Koi-Lo's* on rec.ponds. But, I am the one and only original Koi-Lo. ~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o |
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"Mister Gardener" wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 May 2006 13:59:29 +0100, "loopy livernose" wrote: wrote in message ... there is no such thing as a good snail snip can you quantify that statement please? I was of the belief snails were beneficial to a pond, and are definitely part of a natural ponds ecosystem. Loopy The State of Maine Fish and Wildlife Department agrees that there is no such thing as a good snail, hence their importation into the state is illegal. "Snails - Because they serve as intermediate host for a wide range of aquatic parasites and other pathogens, all snails (Gastropoda) are restricted and can be imported only by a special importation permit with specific health certifications, therefore snails cannot be traded by commercial pet shops. " Introducing a snail into a fish pond would likely bring a double whammy, since pond fish are banned in the sate of Maine as well. I had the pleasure of meeting the man who does inspections across the state to enforce these laws. I asked him whether a pond in a private person's yard could have any fish at all, and he told me yes, they may have fish like shiners and blue gills if those fish were obtained from another lake in the state, but only with a special permit. He told me he has shut down hundreds of goldfish ponds and that the fine is $10,000. I ran into the guy quite by accident and I ran as many questions past him as I could, and I could have kept him busy for a few days without stopping for a break. Getting the story (and reason) on each and every species on the banned or permitted list. Introducing tadpoles into any body of water is illegal. First grade teachers are no longer permitted to bring in their tadpoles in a jar classroom projects. We were in a pet shop for this conversation, a pet shop that I knew had tons of little snails that had hitchhiked into the state on aquatic plants. I asked him if the law, and his enforcement, extended to those snails as well. He said, if I inspect the tanks here, and see a snail, I will tell the owner to kill them, and I will wait to see that it is done. Otherwise, I could shut down the store or issue a very large fine. When I posted the link to Maine's official list of allowed and banned species a few weeks ago, several people expressed disbelief that the Jack Dempsey has been added to the list of banned imports. How, many people asked, could a Jack Dempsey be a threat, no way could one survive a Maine winter. I asked the inspector about this and he told me that Jack Dempseys were found to have survived more than one winter in the state of Connecticut, whose climate can be just as harsh as southern Maine. Amazing. Recently, officials were finally able to capture and remove an alligator that had survived 3 winters in a Maine pond. And on a more hopeful note, this guy is not all bad. He told me he has closed 3 WalMart fish departments and expects to close another one this week. Many thanks for the lengthy reply. I am in the UK and find all this quite interesting, although our laws are as yet far less encroaching we are getting there slowly. I have a Very few Ramshorn (natural pond snails that are native) snails in my pond, but they breed very slowly and if the fish don't eat them, I don't know why I have so few. My Parents had some whelk looking long shelled snails in there pond and they seem to eat everything!! They are non native but have now almost taken over our waterways and rivers, leaving ramshorn's suffering because they breed so much slower. I just keep a few ramshorns in my veggie filter (well there's 2 in there) and a few in my "frog bog". But I will bear this thread in mind, because I was thinking of buying some "tiger" (Viviparous striped pond snails) snails, but I think I'll maybe give Em a miss now!! loopy -- Posted via NewsDemon.com - Premium Uncensored Newsgroup Service -------http://www.NewsDemon.com------ Unlimited Access, Anonymous Accounts, Uncensored Broadband Access |
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On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:04:46 -0400, Mister Gardener
wrote: this post. This is the link to the official list of species that ARE PERMITTED to be imported into the state. If it's not on this list, it's not allowed. http://www.state.me.us/ifw/wildlife/...tedspecies.htm The State of Maine Fish and Wildlife Department agrees that there is no such thing as a good snail, hence their importation into the state is illegal. "Snails - Because they serve as intermediate host for a wide range of aquatic parasites and other pathogens, all snails (Gastropoda) are restricted and can be imported only by a special importation permit with specific health certifications, therefore snails cannot be traded by commercial pet shops. " Introducing a snail into a fish pond would likely bring a double whammy, since pond fish are banned in the sate of Maine as well. I had the pleasure of meeting the man who does inspections across the state to enforce these laws. I asked him whether a pond in a private person's yard could have any fish at all, and he told me yes, they may have fish like shiners and blue gills if those fish were obtained from another lake in the state, but only with a special permit. He told me he has shut down hundreds of goldfish ponds and that the fine is $10,000. I ran into the guy quite by accident and I ran as many questions past him as I could, and I could have kept him busy for a few days without stopping for a break. Getting the story (and reason) on each and every species on the banned or permitted list. Introducing tadpoles into any body of water is illegal. First grade teachers are no longer permitted to bring in their tadpoles in a jar classroom projects. We were in a pet shop for this conversation, a pet shop that I knew had tons of little snails that had hitchhiked into the state on aquatic plants. I asked him if the law, and his enforcement, extended to those snails as well. He said, if I inspect the tanks here, and see a snail, I will tell the owner to kill them, and I will wait to see that it is done. Otherwise, I could shut down the store or issue a very large fine. When I posted the link to Maine's official list of allowed and banned species a few weeks ago, several people expressed disbelief that the Jack Dempsey has been added to the list of banned imports. How, many people asked, could a Jack Dempsey be a threat, no way could one survive a Maine winter. I asked the inspector about this and he told me that Jack Dempseys were found to have survived more than one winter in the state of Connecticut, whose climate can be just as harsh as southern Maine. Amazing. Recently, officials were finally able to capture and remove an alligator that had survived 3 winters in a Maine pond. And on a more hopeful note, this guy is not all bad. He told me he has closed 3 WalMart fish departments and expects to close another one this week. -- Mister Gardener -- Pull the WEED to email me |
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What is the best type of pond snail?
Mister Gardener wrote:
When I posted the link to Maine's official list of allowed and banned species a few weeks ago, several people expressed disbelief that the Jack Dempsey has been added to the list of banned imports. How, many people asked, could a Jack Dempsey be a threat, no way could one survive a Maine winter. I asked the inspector about this and he told me that Jack Dempseys were found to have survived more than one winter in the state of Connecticut, whose climate can be just as harsh as southern Maine. Amazing. He "said" that, but I still maintain that it's no more than a suburban legend. There's no documentation available online, and the one source I was able to find for you implicitly stated that they have not been naturalized. -- derek |
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loopy livernose wrote:
"Mister Gardener" wrote in message ... Recently, officials were finally able to capture and remove an alligator that had survived 3 winters in a Maine pond. An alligator, btw, is subtropical (not to mention much more massive). Jack Dempseys are tropical. The fact that an alligator could survive says nothing about Dempseys. I have a Very few Ramshorn (natural pond snails that are native) snails in my pond, but they breed very slowly and if the fish don't eat them, I don't know why I have so few. Fish and/or acid rain. Acidity weakens their shells, making it easier for fish to extract the snail, but goldfish and koi will munch on snails anyway. -- derek |
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