Its because yuor all dumbasses..Perhaps y ur neighbor is a bugger
dumbass than yu carol as they left the trailer trash gypsies move in
the neighborhood.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:28:02 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message
groups.com...
3.5 acres! Any pics?

Koi will keep it pretty muddy. Any plans for a way to avoid the
digging making mud?

We have a 1 acre pond filling just now. Thought about koi, but decided
to go with bluegills and bass. Lets the kids fish.
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Where I live we can't keep koi or GF in small lakes or unprotected ponds
because of the herons and other predators. My neighbor tried fish in his
farm pond and would lose them all.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Still looking for a clue dumbass?

rural lots.....thats a good one.


On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:40:19 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
...
Are you just planning on Koi for this "lake"? - I can't bring myself to
call it a pond at that size.....Have you got it all planted out? Or will
nature take it's course.....sounds amazing.....I would just love to have a
garden even approaching an acre let alone a pond of 3.5!!!!!!
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There are affordable rural lots of that size all over the USA. The further
from the big cities they are the more you'll find.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Yep a price all dumbasses will jump at.


On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 22:04:33 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Galen Hekhuis" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 18:40:19 -0600, Zëbulon
wrote:


"Gill Passman" wrote in message
. uk...
Are you just planning on Koi for this "lake"? - I can't bring myself to
call it a pond at that size.....Have you got it all planted out? Or will
nature take it's course.....sounds amazing.....I would just love to have
a
garden even approaching an acre let alone a pond of 3.5!!!!!!
===================================
There are affordable rural lots of that size all over the USA. The
further
from the big cities they are the more you'll find.

What do you call "affordable"?
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$5 to 10,000 an acre in a semi-rural to rural area.



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

So that what makes old nick so froggy all the time. He drinks
california pond water. I bet old nick felt good when that trapper
gigged his ass for him...how about it nick did it feel good?


On 24 Dec 2006 03:07:38 GMT, wrote:

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
3.5 acres of insect generating water. How neat!

Frog food.



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Aint you a real dumbass..



On 24 Dec 2006 03:27:02 GMT, wrote:

"Phyllis and Jim" wrote:
Needing lots of mosquito fish!

Mine didn't make it through the winter here in the San Fernando Valley. ;-(



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Do your selves a big favor and follow NIck and Carol to the place that
sells clues!
On 24 Dec 2006 05:09:21 -0800, "Phyllis and Jim"
wrote:

Are rosy reds native whereever the pond is? Wouldn't want to introduce
them into the ecosystem. But then gambusia might not the natiuve
either.

Jim

Zëbulon wrote:
"Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message
ps.com...
Needing lots of mosquito fish!

=======================
Rosy reds - 10 for $1.00.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

None of yur business what mny intentions are. You have your pond I
have mine......I could care less about your blue gills and bass or
your kiddies having a place to fish in. Besides y'all the so called
moderator experts so why are yu askin gme how I intend to do what I
am doing! duh!]]


On 23 Dec 2006 16:12:16 -0800, "Phyllis and Jim"
wrote:

3.5 acres! Any pics?

Koi will keep it pretty muddy. Any plans for a way to avoid the
digging making mud?

We have a 1 acre pond filling just now. Thought about koi, but decided
to go with bluegills and bass. Lets the kids fish.

Jim


Gill Passman wrote:
Tristan wrote:
And my order of Koi wil be here 2 days after Christmas.......There is
a pond god....but he does not visit this place thats for sure!


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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Are you just planning on Koi for this "lake"? - I can't bring myself to
call it a pond at that size.....Have you got it all planted out? Or will
nature take it's course.....sounds amazing.....I would just love to have
a garden even approaching an acre let alone a pond of 3.5!!!!!!

Sounds like it will be amazing.....any chance of links to pics????

Gill



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Link to photo album before pond was full. Further pics to be added
now that its full and stocked. Pavers have been put down on walk
around and lead on to the pierand gazebo has been started on the end
of pier.......currently in a temporary hold due to other necessities
that needto be taken care. The standpipe is 18" diam heavy walled PVC
with a concrete color of 6 yards of concrete poured around it to
prevent potential for seepage or leakage along the pipe. At least the
pond is now full and grass is on breast of pond so erosion is not a
concern anymore.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p121/Sonoma1720/




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Tristan wrote:
Link to photo album before pond was full. Further pics to be added
now that its full and stocked. Pavers have been put down on walk
around and lead on to the pierand gazebo has been started on the end
of pier.......currently in a temporary hold due to other necessities
that needto be taken care. The standpipe is 18" diam heavy walled PVC
with a concrete color of 6 yards of concrete poured around it to
prevent potential for seepage or leakage along the pipe. At least the
pond is now full and grass is on breast of pond so erosion is not a
concern anymore.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p121/Sonoma1720/




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Now that looks pretty neat....can't wait to see the photos now it is
full (of water I presume) and stocked.....and if you can ever "wax
lyrical" your experiences of sitting on that pier and just watching the
fish or the sun go down..... :-)

I am curious as to how you would deal with drainage in the case of an
overflow or do you have a natural spring to use.....I'm also quite
fascinated, and this just isn't aimed at you, as to how you get the
necessary water flow and circulation to stop it becoming just a very
large stagnant pool - but also realise, that at least in the UK, we have
these natural ponds that have no in/out flow that sustain life and
indeed the "village pond" is part of rural life.....I don't have the
land to even attempt such a thing but it has a great appeal - creating
something like this....my experience, albeit 2nd hand is of a 5 acre
lake/pond fed by two 1 acre grow out ponds.....the first fed by a
natural spring, which feeds the second, which feeds the big one...and
eventually all the water goes back to the feeder spring.....amazing when
I saw it as the pond/lake was under 1 foot of ice but you could still
see the hole in the ice where the water swirled out to the spring -
totally like water going down a plug hole....and when you looked at the
outlet to the spring the water was still gushing out....Now with a feed
from a spring/stream you have the current and flow which give the
natural movement......a pond/lake on this scale obviously cannot use
conventional "back-yard" methods....so it becomes a curiosity to
me...even though all I can aspire to is a "back-yard mud puddle"......

I also totally love the concept of the mud pool that you, Jim & Phyllis,
Galen, Gary and whoever the new poster was (can't find the thread for
all the other noise)......and the one where my Dad lives.....should be
back up there in a few months time so will take some pics (wasn't
appropriate last visit)....

IIRC you have a number of "mud ponds" so it would be great to hear not
only from you but the others on the pro's and cons....having only a
small area but a heavy clay soil I did consider it when I built the
ill-fated pond around 7 years ago but wimped out for pond liner....but
talking only a few hundred gallons it probably would not have been
sustainable and would have needed multiple top ups....

Gill

Nice pics. That will be a huge pond.

Are you still intending to do koi only in it?

If they were really fancy koi of one kind, you could have a some
valuable koi for sale.

Jim


Tristan wrote:
Link to photo album before pond was full. Further pics to be added
now that its full and stocked. Pavers have been put down on walk
around and lead on to the pierand gazebo has been started on the end
of pier.......currently in a temporary hold due to other necessities
that needto be taken care. The standpipe is 18" diam heavy walled PVC
with a concrete color of 6 yards of concrete poured around it to
prevent potential for seepage or leakage along the pipe. At least the
pond is now full and grass is on breast of pond so erosion is not a
concern anymore.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p121/Sonoma1720/




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Who cares Tristan....probably your ISP an NSP has you under a bit of control
after those last few nights of trashing and spamming the various groups
you so call care so much about........I hope KArl sees the light with
yur ass too as your wife downloading porn and trash and having her
name as well as your name out there in porn land and then go by Tristan
on usenet forums is not a very good in the eyes of the
public........Your nothing but a trashy old ******* with a chip on his
shoulder and not a freind in the world other than Cyber
friends who only patronize you knowning your a psycho........
I doubt yur porn addicted wife gives a shit about you
either.......or you about her as long as she pays the ISP bill that is
all you need..... wile you play with your fish... and swill beer like
sow.......

"Tristan" wrote in message
...
Link to photo album before pond was full. Further pics to be added
now that its full and stocked. Pavers have been put down on walk
around and lead on to the pierand gazebo has been started on the end
of pier.......currently in a temporary hold due to other necessities
that needto be taken care. The standpipe is 18" diam heavy walled PVC
with a concrete color of 6 yards of concrete poured around it to
prevent potential for seepage or leakage along the pipe. At least the
pond is now full and grass is on breast of pond so erosion is not a
concern anymore.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p121/Sonoma1720/




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On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:40:07 +0000, Gill Passman
wrote:

Tristan wrote:
Link to photo album before pond was full. Further pics to be added
now that its full and stocked. Pavers have been put down on walk
around and lead on to the pierand gazebo has been started on the end
of pier.......currently in a temporary hold due to other necessities
that needto be taken care. The standpipe is 18" diam heavy walled PVC
with a concrete collar of 6 yards of concrete poured around it to
prevent potential for seepage or leakage along the pipe. At least the
pond is now full and grass is on breast of pond so erosion is not a
concern anymore.

http://s127.photobucket.com/albums/p121/Sonoma1720/




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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!

Now that looks pretty neat....can't wait to see the photos now it is
full (of water I presume) and stocked.....and if you can ever "wax
lyrical" your experiences of sitting on that pier and just watching the
fish or the sun go down..... :-)

The pier was specifically laid out to face west, as the wife likes to
do just that. Set outside and watch the reflection of a setting sun on
the water....ONce the gazebo is finished hopefully there wil not be a
skeeter issue. I seem to doubt skeeters wil be a problem, but were
fixing to find uot come summer / spring.

I am curious as to how you would deal with drainage in the case of an
overflow or do you have a natural spring to use...

POnd has an 18" diam standpipe that handles overflow. Its not adjusted
to its final height yet, but once it is established, the pipe wil be
cut and the water level set. Then a trash/fish guard wil be installed
on its end to keep fish and trash from entering pipe when water
exceeds pipes height. Water siply flows down pipe vertically, and then
goes horizontally until it exits out of the ponds dam at the bottom
and into a sort of sluceway or drainage ditch. YOu really do not get
all that much water out of it even on heavy rains and certainly no
more than would be in a roadside ditch in a thunderstorm anyhow....

1..I'm also quite
fascinated, and this just isn't aimed at you, as to how you get the
necessary water flow and circulation to stop it becoming just a very
large stagnant pool - but also realise, that at least in the UK, we have
these natural ponds that have no in/out flow that sustain life and
indeed the "village pond" is part of rural life....

My plan is to aerate with air diffusers. I have 4 panels 3'x 4' that
is sort of like a huge assemly of airstones, that are to be spaced out
in pond. Air is supplied by a compressor whgich is connected by
weighted air hose to each diffuser panel, and it is just like an
airstone in the old fish tank. It creates upwards water flow and
breaks up the strata, which further reduces algae outbreaks or low
oxygenated waters. Fountains work also but most folks go for a more
decorative dainty spray which does little for surface movement which
is needed, so an aerator or a simple paddle wheel is more effective
than a decorative type fountain is. Also a fountain that provides
enough surface movement in a larger pond takes a big pump to operate
and is more cxostly and not as effective as diffuser aeration. Most
fountains here in this region acquire a buildup of algae and crud,
where aerators do not and they are easy to clean once a year without a
need to pull them from the pond. We may add a decorative fountain and
lights for aesthetics since thw wife is into that stuff more than me.
She is the boss. At least we do not get ice here. I have had Ice one
time in over 20+ years on one of the other ponds and it wa only paper
thin in a shady area in a small depression.......Just the same, the
aeration I have will do fine at keeping water open if it deed freeze.
Where air bubbles diffuse to the surface it sort of looks like a low
boil of water. As the bubbles rise up from thre depth they actually
spread outwards, and having an area of 20- by 20 feet appear to boil
from a small 3 x 4 is not uncommon. My pond only requires 3 panels but
the setup came with 4 so its not gonna hurt adding in the extra
diffuser panel. I may buy a few more panels and pipe it to the one
other pond as well as the air pump is large enough to handle 3 more
panels.


..I don't have the
land to even attempt such a thing but it has a great appeal - creating
something like this....my experience, albeit 2nd hand is of a 5 acre
lake/pond fed by two 1 acre grow out ponds.....the first fed by a
natural spring, which feeds the second, which feeds the big one...and
eventually all the water goes back to the feeder spring.....amazing when
I saw it as the pond/lake was under 1 foot of ice but you could still
see the hole in the ice where the water swirled out to the spring -
totally like water going down a plug hole....and when you looked at the
outlet to the spring the water was still gushing out....Now with a feed
from a spring/stream you have the current and flow which give the
natural movement......a pond/lake on this scale obviously cannot use
conventional "back-yard" methods....so it becomes a curiosity to
me...even though all I can aspire to is a "back-yard mud puddle"......

No springs, just surface water run off, rain fall and ground
water..thats what 99% of the ponds that are not aquaculture and made
to rasie and sell fish are constructed in the south......I have 6:1
fill ratio on this one and the other two have a 4:1....Eventually alal
3 ponds wil be joined by way of concrete spillways / canals with
barriers. The ponds breast or dam is higher than the back side so if
ponds standpipe ever clogs, water can flow from back and around on
heavily planted soil so it wil never ever have water except for what
falls there to run down over the ponds dam / breast. Virtually
eliminates any potential for a wash out and breach....

I also totally love the concept of the mud pool that you, Jim & Phyllis,
Galen, Gary and whoever the new poster was (can't find the thread for
all the other noise)......and the one where my Dad lives.....should be
back up there in a few months time so will take some pics (wasn't
appropriate last visit)....

I am not into viewing koi in crystal clear water. I have a means to
view them that way if I choose. I like to have koi ni a natural
environement. I find koi do a lot better overall in a large natural
mud pond than they do in a pond managed by pumps, filters, and
chemicals.

IIRC you have a number of "mud ponds" so it would be great to hear not
only from you but the others on the pro's and cons....having only a
small area but a heavy clay soil I did consider it when I built the
ill-fated pond around 7 years ago but wimped out for pond liner....but
talking only a few hundred gallons it probably would not have been
sustainable and would have needed multiple top ups....

IMHO I would not go any smaller than 1/2 acre if its a mud pond.
Smaller may work but water can heat up in some areas quite quickly and
evaporation and top off is a concern since topping off a 1/2 acre pond
or so with a hose would be fairly expensive. What ever size mud pond
yu build its important to lay it out and measure measure andmeasure
some more so yu can get a good close idea of how many gal it contains
just incase. I treat my other ponds 2x a year with PP to oxidize
nutrients etc and to knock out any pathogens that may build up since
lots of other critters also inhabit the ponds. It also does the fish
good as fungus is a big time problem in this region come spring with
lots of warm rains, its not uncommon to see folks ponds with fish and
lots of fungus growths on the fish. Also ponds that are filled
infiltrated by runoff and atmosphereic conditions (hurricanes and
winds etc play a part here) can add junk that causes problems like it
did tomy ponds after Hurricane Ivan. Potasssium Permanganate fixed it
and my friends 2.5 acre pond and we have made dosing our ponds 2x a
year as a prophylactic a routine job every years since, and we have
not had any algae blooms nor health problems and water is pretty darn
clean considering its a natural mud pond.I routinely have 4 to 5 feet
of good visibility . All due to oxidizing the nutrient buildiup....and
reducing turbidity.

Gill



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Gill Passman wrote:

...
...even though all I can aspire to is a "back-yard mud puddle"......

I also totally love the concept of the mud pool that you, Jim & Phyllis,
Galen, Gary and whoever the new poster was (can't find the thread for
all the other noise)......and the one where my Dad lives.....should be
back up there in a few months time so will take some pics (wasn't
appropriate last visit)....

IIRC you have a number of "mud ponds" so it would be great to hear not
only from you but the others on the pro's and cons....having only a
small area but a heavy clay soil I did consider it when I built the
ill-fated pond around 7 years ago but wimped out for pond liner....but
talking only a few hundred gallons it probably would not have been
sustainable and would have needed multiple top ups....

"Back-yard mud puddle" would about describe mine. I went out and measured
the one next to the house and then tried to convert the square feet into
acres and it was so small even the conversion program snickered. It is
only about 50 ft in diameter. It doesn't get stagnant at all, mainly
because sometime back I took Roy's advice, canned any ideas I had about a
filter and got me an aerator. I tend to be a "bigger must be better" type
and so I probably got about 3 or 4 sizes larger than I needed, and fired it
up. Even the frogs were a bit surprised, and for days you could find them
bobbing around in the water, just staring at the bubbles. It adds just
enough gentle motion to the water that the mosquitos don't seem to like it.
At least I haven't had much of a problem with them. It may be that the
place attracts way more dragonflies than it used to when it was a junk
pile, maybe it's a combination, I really have no idea.

The other two ponds on the property don't get stagnant either, though they
are much larger. The one in back seems to be fed by a spring, and has a
constant outflow. It looks to be almost an acre. The other out front was
obviously dug (by someone long before me) as an aerial view shows. One end
of the front one sticks into a swamp, so it's kind of hard to tell how big
it really is. The dug part looks to be about a half-acre.
--
Galen Hekhuis

Galen,

I did not know you had so many ponds. Impressive. Our 1 acre is
dwarfed by you guys.


Tristan,

You have thought through your process a lot more that I. I am
impressed. How much PP does it take per acre of pond?

Following up on your food, I wish our mill would make some foor for the
zoo. I use the catfish food. Koi are colorful river carp, so the
catfish food is not entirely out of their league, I gather.

Do give us some pics when it gets full.

Jim