Lee Brouillet wrote:
... but I can't do anything
about the phospates because they're adding it to my damn water source!
...

Not a solution, but a question? Would carbon-based filters remove
phosphates / chloramines? Maybe use a "whole house" filter when putting
in tap water to keep phosphates out? Just thinking "out loud."
--
zookeeper

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 20:28:31 -0700, zookeeper
wrote:

Lee Brouillet wrote:
... but I can't do anything
about the phospates because they're adding it to my damn water source!
...

Not a solution, but a question? Would carbon-based filters remove
phosphates / chloramines? Maybe use a "whole house" filter when putting
in tap water to keep phosphates out? Just thinking "out loud."


Not sure about chloramines but from what I have read activated
carbon does not do a good job on phosphates..

zookeeper wrote:

Lee Brouillet wrote:
... but I can't do anything
about the phospates because they're adding it to my damn water source!
...

Not a solution, but a question? Would carbon-based filters remove
phosphates / chloramines? Maybe use a "whole house" filter when putting
in tap water to keep phosphates out? Just thinking "out loud."

Yes, activated carbon filters remove cloramines.

I wonder if you can buy AC in bulk cheaply?

BV.

"John Hines" wrote in message
...
zookeeper wrote:

Lee Brouillet wrote:
... but I can't do anything
about the phospates because they're adding it to my damn water source!
...

Not a solution, but a question? Would carbon-based filters remove
phosphates / chloramines? Maybe use a "whole house" filter when putting
in tap water to keep phosphates out? Just thinking "out loud."

Yes, activated carbon filters remove cloramines.

That's the whole thing: the pond's bottom is clean - no stuff! I tried to
stir it up, and the only stuff down there is the awful algae stuff. I tossed
sinking shrimp in, and the fish always stir up a mess when they go rooting
around for that, but there's not much at all.

That's my problem: most of the *obvious* answers don't apply. (sigh)

Lee

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Lee Brouillet" wrote:

Well, I just ordered a phosphate test kit, a HIGH nitrAte test kit,
something called Bio Denitrator (supposed to deal with the nitrAtes) and
2
gallons of the Pro-Line Phosphate Remover. And because I live
(reasonably)
close to AES, I should have it tomorrow when I get home from work. That
should keep me busy for the weekend (grumble, grumble, grumble). I hope
it
works.

Do you have lots of Water Hyacinths... lots ?

Most of these phosphate products are good at removing low levels to
zero, like in a marine reef environment (but RO water is a far better
choice).

Can you vac the bottom ?

jay
Thu, Jun 12, 2003




Lee
"ajames54" wrote in message
...
On 12 Jun 2003 09:46:54 -0500, "Lee Brouillet"
wrote:

I've got to shorten this post, or it will get out of hand and I won't
be
able to follow it any more.

SNIP...
lets treat this as an aside then...

Do you know what your phosphate levels are? There are commercial
products available that will remove phosphates from your water...
in many cases they are prohibitively expensive, and many are some
form of aluminum oxide (which may damage your Biofilter)... Kent
Marine makes one called "phosphate sponge" which claims to bring
phosphate down from 1 ppm to .05 ppm within a matter of hours...
and not leach aluminum into the water. The cost is about $10 per
100 gallons.

I wonder if GD knows... but it has always struck me that a good
aggressive protean skimmer should work to remove the free
floating varieties...




--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

"BenignVanilla" m
wrote:

I wonder if you can buy AC in bulk cheaply?

One of our favorites, http://www.kencofish.com/carbon.htm

BenignVanilla wrote:
I wonder if you can buy AC in bulk cheaply?

Here's a good page describing what AC can remove from water:

Activated Carbon Filtration
http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/h2o...ys/ae1029w.htm

and I did find a page that says carbon will not reduce phosphates;
reverse osmosis will remove phosphates http://mauiwater.org/phosphates.html

Premium Aquatics (indiana) has 4 lb for $19.95 which seems a pretty good
deal; many stores are selling 10 oz. for $9.95!!!
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...ct_Code=ESV211

[sorry, that will wrap -- couldn't find my short url link]

and I think someone mentioned getting bulk amounts of AC at water
softening supply companies, but I didn't come across that in my web search.
--
zookeeper

Try one of the local water treatment companies. I think most of them buy
and use in 50 pound bags. Fish stores buy and sell one pound size at large
markup. After all it for fish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
message ...
I wonder if you can buy AC in bulk cheaply?

BV.

"John Hines" wrote in message
...
zookeeper wrote:

Lee Brouillet wrote:
... but I can't do anything
about the phospates because they're adding it to my damn water
source!
...

Not a solution, but a question? Would carbon-based filters remove
phosphates / chloramines? Maybe use a "whole house" filter when putting
in tap water to keep phosphates out? Just thinking "out loud."

Yes, activated carbon filters remove cloramines.

Get one of those closet 'basket drawers' from Home Depot. Fill it with
WH, they will get to the ones on the outside a bit... but the ones in
the center will thrive. Set in on bricks to bring it up to water level.

You need the WH to bring down the phosphates and the will consume some
of the nitrAtes.

jay
Fri, Jun 13, 2003



In article ,
"Lee Brouillet" wrote:

That's the whole thing: the pond's bottom is clean - no stuff! I tried to
stir it up, and the only stuff down there is the awful algae stuff. I tossed
sinking shrimp in, and the fish always stir up a mess when they go rooting
around for that, but there's not much at all.

That's my problem: most of the *obvious* answers don't apply. (sigh)

Lee

"Go Fig" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Lee Brouillet" wrote:

Well, I just ordered a phosphate test kit, a HIGH nitrAte test kit,
something called Bio Denitrator (supposed to deal with the nitrAtes) and
2
gallons of the Pro-Line Phosphate Remover. And because I live
(reasonably)
close to AES, I should have it tomorrow when I get home from work. That
should keep me busy for the weekend (grumble, grumble, grumble). I hope
it
works.

Do you have lots of Water Hyacinths... lots ?

Most of these phosphate products are good at removing low levels to
zero, like in a marine reef environment (but RO water is a far better
choice).

Can you vac the bottom ?

jay
Thu, Jun 12, 2003




Lee
"ajames54" wrote in message
...
On 12 Jun 2003 09:46:54 -0500, "Lee Brouillet"
wrote:

I've got to shorten this post, or it will get out of hand and I won't
be
able to follow it any more.

SNIP...
lets treat this as an aside then...

Do you know what your phosphate levels are? There are commercial
products available that will remove phosphates from your water...
in many cases they are prohibitively expensive, and many are some
form of aluminum oxide (which may damage your Biofilter)... Kent
Marine makes one called "phosphate sponge" which claims to bring
phosphate down from 1 ppm to .05 ppm within a matter of hours...
and not leach aluminum into the water. The cost is about $10 per
100 gallons.

I wonder if GD knows... but it has always struck me that a good
aggressive protean skimmer should work to remove the free
floating varieties...




--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."



--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."

I wonder if you can buy AC in bulk cheaply?
BV.

IMO, the best way to get AC is in mats thru AES www.aquaticeco.com
otherwise you'll be flushing carbon forever to get rid of the powder.

I use carbon mats as a prevention from my neighbor when he's fooling with
pesticides, just in case he's not careful. Luckily he loses interest in
gardening after the 1st hot day.... and that came early this year. ;o) I
also use it to "polish" the water.

This has been a particularly tough spring, I think the early warm up and
late start on getting Water Hyacinths are the cause of many pond problems
locally. I just changed my ACarbon pads out for the 3rd time this year.
Usually I change out twice and remove completely by this time of year.
Water is finally losing it weak tea coloring. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

What carbon mats do you use from AES? I can find the carbon filter material-is
this the same?

On 18 Jun 2003 14:19:51 GMT, (Theoldballpark) wrote:

What carbon mats do you use from AES? I can find the carbon filter material-is
this the same?

Part No. PF3R is what I have. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website