give me an idea here we found a 6 in baby from last years Koi spawn
with what looked like green ich on him
when we neted him it all came off
I gave him a salt dip and now hes in an isolation tank with .2% salt

Im wondering maybe he just had algae stuck to his slime coat I dont see
any other fish that have the green stuff onn them

any clue what im dealing with?
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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

John Rutz wrote:
give me an idea here we found a 6 in baby from last years Koi spawn
with what looked like green ich on him
when we neted him it all came off
I gave him a salt dip and now hes in an isolation tank with .2% salt

Im wondering maybe he just had algae stuck to his slime coat I dont see
any other fish that have the green stuff onn them

any clue what im dealing with?

further diagnosis
when I checked one of his gills was bright pink the other was greenish
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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

bacterial gill rot with algae and fungus growing on the fish. peroxide dip 1 part
peroxide, 9 parts water 10 second dip. antibiotic injections would be best, but
kanamycin or gentamycin in the water and in the food. if you have a scope, so scrape
to see if the slime coat is building up from parasites. otherwise, pink gills is
not good, dont overdo any other meds in teh water. excellent aeration and keep em
cool. isnt good prognosis. Ingrid

John Rutz wrote:

give me an idea here we found a 6 in baby from last years Koi spawn
with what looked like green ich on him
when we neted him it all came off
I gave him a salt dip and now hes in an isolation tank with .2% salt

Im wondering maybe he just had algae stuck to his slime coat I dont see
any other fish that have the green stuff onn them

any clue what im dealing with?

wrote:
bacterial gill rot with algae and fungus growing on the fish. peroxide dip 1 part
peroxide, 9 parts water 10 second dip. antibiotic injections would be best, but
kanamycin or gentamycin in the water and in the food. if you have a scope, so scrape
to see if the slime coat is building up from parasites. otherwise, pink gills is
not good, dont overdo any other meds in teh water. excellent aeration and keep em
cool. isnt good prognosis. Ingrid

John Rutz wrote:



Ingrid
the only Peroxide i can find is 3% medical grade which percent
peroxide are you talking about using??
and can the fish stay in the dip longer than 10 seconds ?


John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

3% is the right stuff
no... no longer than 10 seconds.
Ingrid
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John Rutz wrote:
the only Peroxide i can find is 3% medical grade which percent
peroxide are you talking about using??
and can the fish stay in the dip longer than 10 seconds ?

wrote in message
...
3% is the right stuff
no... no longer than 10 seconds.

10 seconds? That sounds seriously scary. Isn't there a more benign
treatment?

BV.

BV, that's the dosage for "quick and clean" dip for flukes. He could use
Prazi or SupaVerm if he had it handy, but this little fish is in deep
kimchee. The green algae stuff growing on him is probably saprogenia, a
fungal infection. He probably either got hurt, lost a scale or otherwise got
damaged and the pond funkies took advantage of him. Peroxide is on hand;
other meds are not. The little fish's gills are seriously compromised.

Best of luck with him John.

Lee



"BenignVanilla" m wrote in
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wrote in message
...
3% is the right stuff
no... no longer than 10 seconds.

10 seconds? That sounds seriously scary. Isn't there a more benign
treatment?

BV.

Lee Brouillet wrote:
BV, that's the dosage for "quick and clean" dip for flukes. He could
use Prazi or SupaVerm if he had it handy, but this little fish is in
deep kimchee. The green algae stuff growing on him is probably
saprogenia, a fungal infection. He probably either got hurt, lost a
scale or otherwise got damaged and the pond funkies took advantage of
him. Peroxide is on hand; other meds are not. The little fish's gills
are seriously compromised.

Best of luck with him John.

Lee

I wish it was just him took all morning but we caught all 115 Koi
and diped them
then put them in the 300g Isolation tank, then probly not necisary but
we reset the dip and diped them again as we put em back into the pond.
we found 10 more on the bottom that had not survived the infestation
god I hope this is prety much over with




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

Thanks a bunch Ingrid we got it done
sure hope we saved the rest of the Koi we would have ended up loosing
em all as I could'nt find anything on this in my references


wrote:
3% is the right stuff
no... no longer than 10 seconds.
Ingrid
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John Rutz wrote:

the only Peroxide i can find is 3% medical grade which percent
peroxide are you talking about using??
and can the fish stay in the dip longer than 10 seconds ?



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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

I was looking for something to help, maybe this? http://tinyurl.com/e6fd
At least it's not injectible, and can be sprayed on the fish, so a little
can go a long way.

John, do you have Lymozyme (Koizyme)? It keeps the nasties under control,
the ones that cause ulcers, and the ulcers give way to Sap. Or maybe PP
(Potassium Permanganate)? You can pretty much nuke the pond with it to try
for the stuff that started it all. Do you know what the initial entry may
have been? (Flukes?)

Damn, that's too many fish to have problems with. Did all the (dead) fish
have the gill damage?

Lee

"John Rutz" wrote in message
...


Lee Brouillet wrote:
BV, that's the dosage for "quick and clean" dip for flukes. He could
use Prazi or SupaVerm if he had it handy, but this little fish is in
deep kimchee. The green algae stuff growing on him is probably
saprogenia, a fungal infection. He probably either got hurt, lost a
scale or otherwise got damaged and the pond funkies took advantage of
him. Peroxide is on hand; other meds are not. The little fish's gills
are seriously compromised.

Best of luck with him John.

Lee

I wish it was just him took all morning but we caught all 115 Koi
and diped them
then put them in the 300g Isolation tank, then probly not necisary but
we reset the dip and diped them again as we put em back into the pond.
we found 10 more on the bottom that had not survived the infestation
god I hope this is prety much over with




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

Lee Brouillet wrote:
I was looking for something to help, maybe this? http://tinyurl.com/e6fd
At least it's not injectible, and can be sprayed on the fish, so a little
can go a long way.

John, do you have Lymozyme (Koizyme)? It keeps the nasties under control,
the ones that cause ulcers, and the ulcers give way to Sap. Or maybe PP
(Potassium Permanganate)? You can pretty much nuke the pond with it to try
for the stuff that started it all. Do you know what the initial entry may
have been? (Flukes?)

Damn, that's too many fish to have problems with. Did all the (dead) fish
have the gill damage?

Lee

all the ones I checked did I checked some of the others and they show no signs of it


John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

good judgement comes from bad experience, and that comes from bad
judgement

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
BV, that's the dosage for "quick and clean" dip for flukes. He could use
Prazi or SupaVerm if he had it handy, but this little fish is in deep
kimchee. The green algae stuff growing on him is probably saprogenia, a
fungal infection. He probably either got hurt, lost a scale or otherwise
got
damaged and the pond funkies took advantage of him. Peroxide is on hand;
other meds are not. The little fish's gills are seriously compromised.

I guess what I meant was, could you use a lower concentration for a longer
time to be safer for the fish. 10 seconds, and no more, sounds like a
dangerous method.

BV.

it is incredibly benign, can be repeated every 3 days. lots of people put some
peroxide in teh water routinely. it really is easy. you net em, put the net with
the fish into the water count to 10 and lift em out. kills flukes even dacs. Ingrid

"BenignVanilla" m wrote:


wrote in message
...
3% is the right stuff
no... no longer than 10 seconds.

10 seconds? That sounds seriously scary. Isn't there a more benign
treatment?

BV.

call Jo Ann and talk it over with her. 1-251-649-4790

John Rutz wrote:

Thanks a bunch Ingrid we got it done
sure hope we saved the rest of the Koi we would have ended up loosing
em all as I could'nt find anything on this in my references

sigh. well I suppose you could. this is the concentration and time Jo Ann came up
with for GF by experimentation, meaning the flukes are dead and the fish show no bad
reaction at ALL. She is very fussy about any residual effects on her GF.
I dont suppose a couple seconds one way or the other is going to do much for koi. I
think you might have to get some trash koi and work out the details. maybe report
back? Ingrid

"BenignVanilla" m wrote:

"Lee Brouillet" wrote in message
...
BV, that's the dosage for "quick and clean" dip for flukes. He could use
Prazi or SupaVerm if he had it handy, but this little fish is in deep
kimchee. The green algae stuff growing on him is probably saprogenia, a
fungal infection. He probably either got hurt, lost a scale or otherwise
got
damaged and the pond funkies took advantage of him. Peroxide is on hand;
other meds are not. The little fish's gills are seriously compromised.

I guess what I meant was, could you use a lower concentration for a longer
time to be safer for the fish. 10 seconds, and no more, sounds like a
dangerous method.

BV.