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29-06-2003, 02:08 PM
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Help... Dying Koi!
Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats))
I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA |
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29-06-2003, 02:20 PM
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BTW...
I've increased the salt in my to so that it is on the high end of "normal" ((according to my little salt tester)). The nitrates, nitrites, ammonia, and pH are all in the "normal" range too... On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 09:03:31 -0400, Glen Scott wrote: Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA |
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29-06-2003, 03:56 PM
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Help... Dying Koi!
I would NOT do any more doctoring until someone
answers who is close to being a Koi Doctor. I would go to www.koivet.com and read up on what doc has to say. I'd do additional Large (40%) water changes .... Make SURE that the TEMPERATURE of the water going is close to the temperature of the pond water..... Make SURE that you treat the water for chlorine/chloramines. I don't know enough to tell you anymore right now.... I know a "friend" I'd like to shoot!!!!! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Glen Scott" wrote in message ... Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA |
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29-06-2003, 06:44 PM
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Thanks for the advice Nedra
On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:53:16 GMT, "Nedra" wrote: I would NOT do any more doctoring until someone answers who is close to being a Koi Doctor. I would go to www.koivet.com and read up on what doc has to say. I'd do additional Large (40%) water changes .... Make SURE that the TEMPERATURE of the water going is close to the temperature of the pond water..... Make SURE that you treat the water for chlorine/chloramines. I don't know enough to tell you anymore right now.... I know a "friend" I'd like to shoot!!!!! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Glen Scott" wrote in message .. . Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA |
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29-06-2003, 08:32 PM
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Help... Dying Koi!
Pardon my shouting words, Glen. Another link that is
a terrific is Roark... Link to his site is: http://www.click2roark.com Good Luck... Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Glen Scott" wrote in message ... Thanks for the advice Nedra On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:53:16 GMT, "Nedra" wrote: I would NOT do any more doctoring until someone answers who is close to being a Koi Doctor. I would go to www.koivet.com and read up on what doc has to say. I'd do additional Large (40%) water changes .... Make SURE that the TEMPERATURE of the water going is close to the temperature of the pond water..... Make SURE that you treat the water for chlorine/chloramines. I don't know enough to tell you anymore right now.... I know a "friend" I'd like to shoot!!!!! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Glen Scott" wrote in message .. . Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA |
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29-06-2003, 09:08 PM
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call Jo Ann 1-251-649-4790
Ingrid Glen Scott wrote: Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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29-06-2003, 09:44 PM
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Feel free to shout away Nedra... Maybe that will get me worked up
enough to "kill" my friend... He DID say that he would replace all of the fish that die (I guess that's a good thing)... I don't think he realizes just how expensive Koi can be (especially when they're about 14" in length... Here's my afternoon update... The fish that were extremely sick have been placed in a "hospital" tank ((with a high dose of salt & some MelaFix))... The main pond received a 30-40% water change (to get most of the culprit medication out)... I've added MAJOR airation to the pond (since most meds deplete the oxygen)... So far, all seems OK... Please keep your fingers crossed!!!! On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 19:33:16 GMT, "Nedra" wrote: Pardon my shouting words, Glen. Another link that is a terrific is Roark... Link to his site is: http://www.click2roark.com Good Luck... Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Glen Scott" wrote in message .. . Thanks for the advice Nedra On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:53:16 GMT, "Nedra" wrote: I would NOT do any more doctoring until someone answers who is close to being a Koi Doctor. I would go to www.koivet.com and read up on what doc has to say. I'd do additional Large (40%) water changes .... Make SURE that the TEMPERATURE of the water going is close to the temperature of the pond water..... Make SURE that you treat the water for chlorine/chloramines. I don't know enough to tell you anymore right now.... I know a "friend" I'd like to shoot!!!!! Nedra http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836 http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118 "Glen Scott" wrote in message .. . Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... The next couple of days, the temperature went from the 70's up into the 90's (with lots of humidity). My fish started hiding under things, and would not eat... Many of them also developed "white fuzzy patches"... ((I assume this is either ich or fungus)). I've lost a total of 5 fish... WHAT CAN I DO??? Do you think that the "anti-ulcer" medication is still effecting the fish?? How long do medications stay in a pond?? Should I use Formalin to treat the fungus/ich problem?? TIA |
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30-06-2003, 02:08 PM
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"Glen Scott" wrote in message
... Where do I begin... ((Let's start with my pond stats)) I have a 1500 gal pond, with about 10 Koi, and a couple comets... There are tons of plants, airation, and circulation... I also use a UV filter (not sterilizer). Several weeks ago (after some spawning), a couple of my Koi developed ulcers... A "friend" of mine deciced to help me treat the ulcers with "Anti-Ulcer" (he treated the entire pond). The problem is that he treated for 2800 gallons, not 1500 gallons... When I noticed that my fish were all gasping at the surface, I questioned my "friend", and immediately did a partial water change. The fish seemed to be happier... snip Newbie question here...wouldn't an overdose of medication kill a bit faster? It seems like gasping fish dieing days later with fuzz on them points to an illness with the fish, and not an over medication. Just playing devil's advocate, so we don't have to read about a ponder in jail for 1st degree murder. BV. |
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30-06-2003, 08:52 PM
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Jo Ann is the Goldfish Guru, she is a fish diagnostician who used to go out to fish
farms but is an expert in koi, tell her you are on rec.ponds, mention my name. Ingrid Glen Scott wrote: Thanks for the phone number Ingrid... Who is JoAnn??? Does she mind phone calls from strangers??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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30-06-2003, 08:52 PM
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not really. what actually happens is the medication is incorrect for the problem.
nearly all the time problems with fish start with a parasite that is large enough to breach the slime coat. then the bacteria are able to attack, and third is fungi. breach of the slime coat is due to: 1. mechanical damage against rocks, from spawning, sucking plecos open the slime coat 2. thin or no slime coat (seen in columnaris infections), or poor quality slime coat due to toxic water conditions. a thick slime coat is an indication of toxic water or parasite infection. 3. the immune system is down or compromised and the slime coat does not have normal, protective antibodies or anti-microbial proteins. 4. an abnormally large number of parasites can overwhelm even a good slime coat. 5. fish are carriers. they carry parasites in low numbers like ich and gyros. normally they are under host control, but when the fish is stressed the parasites overwhelm the host immunity and proliferate and cause disease. Dumping the incorrect medication into the water stresses the fish. So treat for parasites first, bacteria second and with medicated food UNLESS the fish can be treated in a quarantine facility and closely monitored. Ingrid "BenignVanilla" m wrote: Newbie question here...wouldn't an overdose of medication kill a bit faster? It seems like gasping fish dieing days later with fuzz on them points to an illness with the fish, and not an over medication. Just playing devil's advocate, so we don't have to read about a ponder in jail for 1st degree murder. BV. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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01-07-2003, 03:08 PM
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wrote in message ... not really. what actually happens is the medication is incorrect for the problem. nearly all the time problems with fish start with a parasite that is large enough to breach the slime coat. then the bacteria are able to attack, and third is fungi. snip What I meant was, I wonder if the fish death is related to a disease and not to being poisoned by an overdose. IE, his "friend" didn't kill his fish, he just didn't heal them. BV. |
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01-07-2003, 08:32 PM
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Hi BV
Thanks for the input... I think that my problem was caused my the over medication, since the negative reaction occurred within minutes of "my friend" putting the "Anti-Ulcer" med into the pond... Every day went down hill after that... Hopefully, I can rectify the situation! ((soon)) On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:04:23 -0400, "BenignVanilla" m wrote: wrote in message ... not really. what actually happens is the medication is incorrect for the problem. nearly all the time problems with fish start with a parasite that is large enough to breach the slime coat. then the bacteria are able to attack, and third is fungi. snip What I meant was, I wonder if the fish death is related to a disease and not to being poisoned by an overdose. IE, his "friend" didn't kill his fish, he just didn't heal them. BV. |
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01-07-2003, 08:32 PM
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THANK YOU INGRID...!!!
JoAnn is a great person and wonderful resource... I'm really glad that you suggested calling her... I have a little hope that my "kids" will survive this ordeal... Does JoAnn have a web site, or retail store... I'd like to give her some business.... She's awesone!! Thanks again for your help... On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 19:48:44 GMT, wrote: Jo Ann is the Goldfish Guru, she is a fish diagnostician who used to go out to fish farms but is an expert in koi, tell her you are on rec.ponds, mention my name. Ingrid Glen Scott wrote: Thanks for the phone number Ingrid... Who is JoAnn??? Does she mind phone calls from strangers??? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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01-07-2003, 08:44 PM
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"Glen Scott" wrote in message ... Hi BV Thanks for the input... I think that my problem was caused my the over medication, since the negative reaction occurred within minutes of "my friend" putting the "Anti-Ulcer" med into the pond... Every day went down hill after that... Hopefully, I can rectify the situation! ((soon)) snip That makes more sense. I thought your original post said it took days. That really sucks. I am sorry to hear that. BV. |
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