It's taken me two years, but I think pond city is ready for official
inhabitants. (Actually, I already have some squatters, up at all hours
making obnoxious noises, you know how it is.)

I have two goldfish, school carnival coupon freebies, lived upstairs for a
couple of years now. I've moved fish across the country, but never moved
them outside.

Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?




--
Angie Thornton

Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?

Put them in plastic bag with their water, and close tight. Float bag
in pond for a few hours before dumping them in.

"Lori" wrote in message
...

Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?

Put them in plastic bag with their water, and close tight. Float bag
in pond for a few hours before dumping them in.

Just a friendly correction to your time estimate, 15-20 min. should do it as
they will likely need fresh air around then
sandra

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:44:07 -0500, Lori
wrote:


Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?

Put them in plastic bag with their water, and close tight. Float bag
in pond for a few hours before dumping them in.

Wont that suffocate them????

I covered the plastic bag with newspaper and floated the
fishies for 10 or 15 minutes! Then I opened the bag and
put some of the pond in the bag ... they always came thru
with flying colors.

Nedra
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"jammer" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:44:07 -0500, Lori
wrote:


Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?

Put them in plastic bag with their water, and close tight. Float bag
in pond for a few hours before dumping them in.

Wont that suffocate them????

Float them in their water long enough to have the water temps equalize. No
more than 30 min is needed. Unless you have them in a very small amount of
water, they will do fine.

Many people recommend gradually mixing the water in the bag with pond water.
That is good. We try to avoid dumping outside water into the pond...disease
issue. After mixing water, we squeeze the neck of the bag, let the water
drain out, then dump the fish into the pond. That way only disease on the
fish goes into the pond. They seem to survive well.

Jim

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"AngrieWoman" wrote in message
link.net...

It's taken me two years, but I think pond city is ready for official
inhabitants. (Actually, I already have some squatters, up at all hours
making obnoxious noises, you know how it is.)

I have two goldfish, school carnival coupon freebies, lived upstairs for a
couple of years now. I've moved fish across the country, but never moved
them outside.

Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?




--
Angie Thornton

Missed original message, we are talking about moving fish, not new fish right?
If the temp of the pond is higher than the bag water, just give them a quick salt dip
and right into the pond.
If the temp of the pond water is more than 10oF lower, then they can be floated with
the bag closed, but make sure there is no sun hitting that bag. It can heat up
inside the bag. No more than 30 minutes, salt dip and into the pond
If the pH or alkalinity is significantly different, then a quarantine tank matched
to the original water the fish were in is needed. Slowly over a couple days change
over to the different pH and alkalinity.
Under no circumstances open the bag while it is floating and/or mix pond water into
the bag water. This can seriously tox the fish out, frying the gills. The longer
the fish has been in the closed bag, the greater the chance of frying gills.
Ingrid


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endorsements or recommendations I make.

You could do water changes using your pond water so the fish will get used
to the change.
"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote in
message .. .
Float them in their water long enough to have the water temps equalize.
No
more than 30 min is needed. Unless you have them in a very small amount
of
water, they will do fine.

Many people recommend gradually mixing the water in the bag with pond
water.
That is good. We try to avoid dumping outside water into the
pond...disease
issue. After mixing water, we squeeze the neck of the bag, let the water
drain out, then dump the fish into the pond. That way only disease on the
fish goes into the pond. They seem to survive well.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
www.jogathon.net
See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
"AngrieWoman" wrote in message
link.net...

It's taken me two years, but I think pond city is ready for official
inhabitants. (Actually, I already have some squatters, up at all hours
making obnoxious noises, you know how it is.)

I have two goldfish, school carnival coupon freebies, lived upstairs for
a
couple of years now. I've moved fish across the country, but never moved
them outside.

Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?




--
Angie Thornton

Ingrid,

How does pond water added to bag water endanger the gills?

Jim

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wrote in message
...
Missed original message, we are talking about moving fish, not new fish
right?
If the temp of the pond is higher than the bag water, just give them a
quick salt dip
and right into the pond.
If the temp of the pond water is more than 10oF lower, then they can be
floated with
the bag closed, but make sure there is no sun hitting that bag. It can
heat up
inside the bag. No more than 30 minutes, salt dip and into the pond
If the pH or alkalinity is significantly different, then a quarantine
tank matched
to the original water the fish were in is needed. Slowly over a couple
days change
over to the different pH and alkalinity.
Under no circumstances open the bag while it is floating and/or mix pond
water into
the bag water. This can seriously tox the fish out, frying the gills.
The longer
the fish has been in the closed bag, the greater the chance of frying
gills.
Ingrid


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

BTW, if you happen to have retrievers around the pond, be prepared to track
down the bag -- fish & all -- somewhere else in the yard!

Fortunately, my little goldfish survived their tour of the yard, and
eventually made it safely into the water garden!

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

"Lori" wrote in message
...

Thoughts on a happy transition, anybody?

Put them in plastic bag with their water, and close tight. Float bag
in pond for a few hours before dumping them in.

in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are using
oxygen putting out CO2 and that drives pH down so ammonia is less toxic. open the
bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be moved out.

Ingrid

"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote:

Ingrid,

How does pond water added to bag water endanger the gills?

Jim



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:57:36 GMT, wrote:

in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are using
oxygen putting out CO2 and that drives pH down so ammonia is less toxic. open the
bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be moved out.

Ingrid

That was an interesting chemistry lesson. Thanks

LOL



On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:40:32 GMT, "Anne Lurie"
wrote:

BTW, if you happen to have retrievers around the pond, be prepared to track
down the bag -- fish & all -- somewhere else in the yard!

Fortunately, my little goldfish survived their tour of the yard, and
eventually made it safely into the water garden!

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

Valuable data on the value of CO2! Smell with mixed water is interesting.
Never saw that before!

Thanks.

J


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wrote in message
...
in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are
using
oxygen putting out CO2 and that drives pH down so ammonia is less toxic.
open the
bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on
that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling
coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be
moved out.

Ingrid

"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote:

Ingrid,

How does pond water added to bag water endanger the gills?

Jim



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

Valuable data on the value of CO2! Smell with mixed water is interesting.
Never saw that before!

Thanks.

J


--
____________________________________________
Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
www.jogathon.net
See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
wrote in message
...
in a closed bag the ammonia builds up fast driving pH up, but the fish are
using
oxygen putting out CO2 and that drives pH down so ammonia is less toxic.
open the
bag and the CO2 is blown off, pH jumps fast and ammonia is toxic.
not to mention, when Jo Ann opens up the bags she found very very early on
that
putting tank water into the bag resulted in something very foul smelling
coming out.
so it just isnt a good idea to open the bag before the fish is going to be
moved out.

Ingrid

"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" wrote:

Ingrid,

How does pond water added to bag water endanger the gills?

Jim



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.