Me too (confused). We have at least 2 people in here that run a business
and even though they do not put up obnoxious adds, they do have a link to
their site where they sell fish and plant related "stuff" and they have had
posts where it is clear that they do trade in the business.

I'm curious what was so out of line that it got someone slapped down for
it....


"Wilson" wrote in message
...
I must have missed what this is all about...damn.

"Anne Lurie" wrote in message
m...
I accept your apology, Ghislain.

One of the basic concepts of dealing with newsgroups is to read posts on
a
particular newsgroup to get an idea of the "flavor" of a newsgroup.

Since you are new to newsgroups, you might want to check out this page
on
"netiquette" (newsgroup & email etiquette):
http://www.imagescape.com/helpweb/news/newsnet.html.

Also, many newsgroups have websites for FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions).
Here's the FAQ for rec.ponds:
http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"Ghislain" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry about this.You are all correct for getting upset with me.You
are
right Newgroups is not used for advertizing.I am new at this sort of
thing.I
enjoy the imformation and ideas and questions that you good people
contribute.I do find that the remarks that were given about me very
interesting and it also made me realize how sincere that everyone are
about
the topic.There is alot of interest in the pond topics and that is a
good
thing
Once again please accept my APOLOGY
Sincerly Ghislain

dkat wrote:
Me too (confused). We have at least 2 people in here that run a business
and even though they do not put up obnoxious adds, they do have a link to
their site where they sell fish and plant related "stuff" and they have had
posts where it is clear that they do trade in the business.

I'm curious what was so out of line that it got someone slapped down for
it....


"Wilson" wrote in message
...

I must have missed what this is all about...damn.

The reaction was in proportion to the posts: Ghislain posted that he had
filters for sale in response to several other posts; didn't actually
answer the questions posed but offered opportunity for ponders to spend
money on his filters. He also posted three separate posts that were pure
advertising. It was pointed out that this is usually frowned on in
newsgroups, but that if he wanted to post a link to a web site or
include it in his signature, that would be more appropriate. He
responded by saying that Jan's post about baby fantails and her
signature including a link to her web site was "advertising." If
curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.
--
Zk
3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies
Oregon, USDA Zone 7

"dkat" wrote:
I'm curious what was so out of line that it got someone slapped down for it....

First he kept posting he had a filter for sale, starting 3 new threads just
stating that. Then when I started a thread that my fantails had babies, he
mistook my JJsPond website as advertising and without even going there for
a look see, accused me of advertising. I demanded an apology, he gave it, I
accepted, but some one changed the thread name and that's why some have no
clue (and rightly so) what's up.

If one is going to change the subject, at least keep it so it follows the
original, so people aren't left scratching their heads that they heavens!
missed something. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:16:34 -0700, zookeeper wrote:

curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.

Good answer! ) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I started a new thread because I wanted to make sure that it was seen for
what it was -- accepting an apology, not just another post that had
nothing to do with the header. I wanted to make sure that Ghislain saw it;
having made more than one apology in my life, that seemed important.

(It never occurred to me, frankly, that not everyone had seen Ghislain's
repeated posts. I suspect that many people simply skipped the "baby
fantail" thread entirely.)

In any event, those who missed the build-up to this can always google-group
for the sordid details.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
"dkat" wrote:
I'm curious what was so out of line that it got someone slapped down for
it....

First he kept posting he had a filter for sale, starting 3 new threads
just
stating that. Then when I started a thread that my fantails had babies, he
mistook my JJsPond website as advertising and without even going there for
a look see, accused me of advertising. I demanded an apology, he gave it,
I
accepted, but some one changed the thread name and that's why some have no
clue (and rightly so) what's up.

If one is going to change the subject, at least keep it so it follows the
original, so people aren't left scratching their heads that they
heavens!
missed something. ;o) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.

Tried that and it was REALLY ugly.... hundreds of items... eventually
tracked original down and I still don't get it. It is fairly easy to post
to the wrong thread and even if it was not an accident I had no problem with
the link. In fact, I liked it.

It just seems that folks are becoming more and more edgy and less and less
tolerant over the past 2.5 years. I'm probably becoming over-sensitized to
that. It seemed like an opportunity to say "cut the guy some slack and just
let it go". I've always had fast internet connections and have no problem
blocking either posters or threads so what people post has never been an
issue with me. Mostly I would just like to see people lighten up a bit. As
I said, I just don't get it. Then again I'm still puzzled about why my
response to a post where I said that "liberal" was not a dirty word raised
such a ruckus.

DK

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:16:34 -0700, zookeeper
wrote:

curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.

Good answer! ) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Jeez I spend a lot of time saying oops! (what's that I hear about violins on
TV).... That was Jan's web site that I thought was so nice.... (which I
should have known given that I've been there often enough)... The post I
eventually found in reference to the GOOGLE search I did oddly had her link
in it. After reading further into the posting I now get that the complaint
was that rather THAN give a LINK he posted an advertisement. I use to be
able to do multiple things at the same time.... I guess when the eyesight
started going downhill so did that parallel processing....

I still stand by my "lighten up" request though. It is healthier for us
all. DK


"dkat" wrote in message
.net...
Me too (confused). We have at least 2 people in here that run a business
and even though they do not put up obnoxious adds, they do have a link to
their site where they sell fish and plant related "stuff" and they have
had
posts where it is clear that they do trade in the business.

I'm curious what was so out of line that it got someone slapped down for
it....


"Wilson" wrote in message
...
I must have missed what this is all about...damn.

"Anne Lurie" wrote in message
m...
I accept your apology, Ghislain.

One of the basic concepts of dealing with newsgroups is to read posts
on
a
particular newsgroup to get an idea of the "flavor" of a newsgroup.

Since you are new to newsgroups, you might want to check out this page
on
"netiquette" (newsgroup & email etiquette):
http://www.imagescape.com/helpweb/news/newsnet.html.

Also, many newsgroups have websites for FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions).
Here's the FAQ for rec.ponds:
http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"Ghislain" wrote in message
...
I'm sorry about this.You are all correct for getting upset with
me.You
are
right Newgroups is not used for advertizing.I am new at this sort of
thing.I
enjoy the imformation and ideas and questions that you good people
contribute.I do find that the remarks that were given about me very
interesting and it also made me realize how sincere that everyone
are
about
the topic.There is alot of interest in the pond topics and that is a
good
thing
Once again please accept my APOLOGY
Sincerly Ghislain

Thanks "dkat" for your opinion.I do think that these correspondence to the
Newsgroups take good time to send proper imformation out to the question
asked .This is the way I look at it.The remark about if I was the one that
caused the power failure was a cheap remark.I think that one who said that
was not thinking about how bad it is to be without power and what the heck
was going on out there in the States we don't need bad things
happening.Thanks again for your opinion.
"dkat" wrote in message
.net...
curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.

Tried that and it was REALLY ugly.... hundreds of items... eventually
tracked original down and I still don't get it. It is fairly easy to post
to the wrong thread and even if it was not an accident I had no problem
with
the link. In fact, I liked it.

It just seems that folks are becoming more and more edgy and less and less
tolerant over the past 2.5 years. I'm probably becoming over-sensitized
to
that. It seemed like an opportunity to say "cut the guy some slack and
just
let it go". I've always had fast internet connections and have no problem
blocking either posters or threads so what people post has never been an
issue with me. Mostly I would just like to see people lighten up a bit.
As
I said, I just don't get it. Then again I'm still puzzled about why my
response to a post where I said that "liberal" was not a dirty word
raised
such a ruckus.

DK

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:16:34 -0700, zookeeper
wrote:

curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.

Good answer! ) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:21:29 GMT, "dkat" wrote:

I still stand by my "lighten up" request though. It is healthier for us
all. DK

No one likes a lecture, unless they've paid to attend. ;o) We'd all
lightened on Ghislain prior to, so perhaps now you need to take your own
advice? ) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I'm getting just the days postings from my server - if I'm lucky I get
yesterdays. Given I can only read the group when I have a slow period at
work I miss a lot of what has been said. After I following zookeepers
instructions and trying google I still didn't get it. I cannot read the
threads in the in google and make sense of them (as became clear when I
thought your link was from the original poster). I have always thought of
this newsroom as a very pleasant place to be and was surprised by what I
read and wanted to know what it was about.

I'm not sure what lecturing you are referring to given that the post you are
responding to actually states that I had screwed up. I guess it is all a
matter of how you read things... to me you sound like you have a hair up
your back end for no apparent reason... to you I sound like I'm lecturing...
Whatever.... gey gezunterhait

DK

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:21:29 GMT, "dkat" wrote:

I still stand by my "lighten up" request though. It is healthier for us
all. DK

No one likes a lecture, unless they've paid to attend. ;o) We'd all
lightened on Ghislain prior to, so perhaps now you need to take your own
advice? ) ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

Yes, in your "hey, it's not my fault, it's the internet's" you said you
screwed up, you should have stopped there, but you ended with the parting
shot of telling others to lighten up. When I suggested you consider taking
your own advice, you continued on with the long tirade below? And I've got
a wild hair?

Let's see; gey gezunterhait = good-bye in yiddish, wonder if it also means
I've been killfiled? I hope so. Sheesh. ~ jan

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:54:56 GMT, "dkat" wrote:

I'm getting just the days postings from my server - if I'm lucky I get
yesterdays. Given I can only read the group when I have a slow period at
work I miss a lot of what has been said. After I following zookeepers
instructions and trying google I still didn't get it. I cannot read the
threads in the in google and make sense of them (as became clear when I
thought your link was from the original poster). I have always thought of
this newsroom as a very pleasant place to be and was surprised by what I
read and wanted to know what it was about.

I'm not sure what lecturing you are referring to given that the post you are
responding to actually states that I had screwed up. I guess it is all a
matter of how you read things... to me you sound like you have a hair up
your back end for no apparent reason... to you I sound like I'm lecturing...
Whatever.... gey gezunterhait
DK

I still stand by my "lighten up" request though. It is healthier for us
all. DK

No one likes a lecture, unless they've paid to attend. ;o) We'd all
lightened up on Ghislain prior to, so perhaps now you need to take your own
advice? ) ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I really, really don't get what you are talking about. You did not explain
how it was that I was giving a lecture. When it felt like I was getting
irritated response I tried to explain my confusion and my reaction.

I have said repeatedly that I have a problem (I refer to it as the Violins
on TV - I am of course assuming you are old enough to get that reference) of
getting things wrong. Basically I have said that I'm confused on this issue
please help. I did say clearly that it was probably the case that I am
the one that is over-sensitive on the issue of people seeming mean these
days.

I thought I made it clear that I was unable to follow what was going on
either locally or through google (it seemed at the time slightly intolerant
to tell me that if I wanted information on this to go to google and then
have you chime in with an unnecessary cheer). Apparently I'm not
sufficiently articulate if you continue to think I'm trying to pick a fight
and it sure seems that this is what you are doing. I don't know why you
would think that I would want to kill file you. I do kill file people who
are offensive beyond tolerance. So far you have only seemed aggressive.

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
Yes, in your "hey, it's not my fault, it's the internet's" you said you
screwed up, you should have stopped there, but you ended with the parting
shot of telling others to lighten up. When I suggested you consider taking
your own advice, you continued on with the long tirade below? And I've got
a wild hair?

Let's see; gey gezunterhait = good-bye in yiddish, wonder if it also means
I've been killfiled? I hope so. Sheesh. ~ jan

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:54:56 GMT, "dkat" wrote:

I'm getting just the days postings from my server - if I'm lucky I get
yesterdays. Given I can only read the group when I have a slow period at
work I miss a lot of what has been said. After I following zookeepers
instructions and trying google I still didn't get it. I cannot read the
threads in the in google and make sense of them (as became clear when I
thought your link was from the original poster). I have always thought
of
this newsroom as a very pleasant place to be and was surprised by what I
read and wanted to know what it was about.

I'm not sure what lecturing you are referring to given that the post you
are
responding to actually states that I had screwed up. I guess it is all
a
matter of how you read things... to me you sound like you have a hair up
your back end for no apparent reason... to you I sound like I'm
lecturing...
Whatever.... gey gezunterhait
DK

I still stand by my "lighten up" request though. It is healthier for
us
all. DK

No one likes a lecture, unless they've paid to attend. ;o) We'd all
lightened up on Ghislain prior to, so perhaps now you need to take your
own
advice? ) ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

I meant to thank you for the response and somehow neglected to.... I am so
getting senile (not legitimately able to make that claim for another 5
years). DK

"zookeeper" wrote in message
...
dkat wrote:
Me too (confused). We have at least 2 people in here that run a
business
and even though they do not put up obnoxious adds, they do have a link
to
their site where they sell fish and plant related "stuff" and they have
had
posts where it is clear that they do trade in the business.

I'm curious what was so out of line that it got someone slapped down for
it....


"Wilson" wrote in message
...

I must have missed what this is all about...damn.

The reaction was in proportion to the posts: Ghislain posted that he had
filters for sale in response to several other posts; didn't actually
answer the questions posed but offered opportunity for ponders to spend
money on his filters. He also posted three separate posts that were pure
advertising. It was pointed out that this is usually frowned on in
newsgroups, but that if he wanted to post a link to a web site or
include it in his signature, that would be more appropriate. He
responded by saying that Jan's post about baby fantails and her
signature including a link to her web site was "advertising." If
curious, just Google groups for Ghislain.
--
Zk
3500gal pond, 13 pond piggies
Oregon, USDA Zone 7

"D Kat" continues:
(it seemed at the time slightly intolerant
to tell me that if I wanted information on this to go to google and then
have you chime in with an unnecessary cheer).

It wasn't a cheer directed at you. It was a good answer, imo, for anyone
who might be wondering what is going on without it being all dredged up
again and explained. Especially for an OT thread.

Apparently I'm not sufficiently articulate if you continue to think I'm trying to pick a fight
and it sure seems that this is what you are doing.

I never would have gotten into this if the degatory comment "to lighten up"
hadn't been said.

I wouldn't have continued the next time, if there hadn't been a personal
attack saying, *I must have a wild hair.... *

So who wanted to start a fight? Not me. I just don't like to be told what
to do, by someone who has no power over me, nor will I tolerate an attack
on my person. Note, I only asked you to take your own advice, and wondered
if what you thought was my problem was really yours. Don't sling mud and
expect not to get it back at ya. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

What in the world is derogatory about the term "lighten up"? It certainly
wasn't meant to be, which is why I added all of the extra to try to explain
what it was part of. I really, really dislike language. You need dozens of
emos to get the right meaning.

And yes I did misinterpret your Cheers. The way it was cut and pasted it
felt like a blowoff.... note felt... subjective not objective which is what
I was trying to get across earlier when I said the way we were interpreting
what was being said was a problem.

Gey gezuntgeheit is Yiddish (also German)- meaning go in good health but
that isn't enough... it is hard to translate.... kinda means we have done
enough of this (which we apparently hadn't if we were both still
misinterpreting each other). DK


"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
s.com...
"D Kat" continues:
(it seemed at the time slightly intolerant
to tell me that if I wanted information on this to go to google and then
have you chime in with an unnecessary cheer).

It wasn't a cheer directed at you. It was a good answer, imo, for anyone
who might be wondering what is going on without it being all dredged up
again and explained. Especially for an OT thread.

Apparently I'm not sufficiently articulate if you continue to think I'm
trying to pick a fight
and it sure seems that this is what you are doing.

I never would have gotten into this if the degatory comment "to lighten
up"
hadn't been said.

I wouldn't have continued the next time, if there hadn't been a personal
attack saying, *I must have a wild hair.... *

So who wanted to start a fight? Not me. I just don't like to be told what
to do, by someone who has no power over me, nor will I tolerate an attack
on my person. Note, I only asked you to take your own advice, and wondered
if what you thought was my problem was really yours. Don't sling mud and
expect not to get it back at ya. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website