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04-06-2004, 03:14 PM
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High dGH
Hi all
Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris |
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04-06-2004, 05:06 PM
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Xref: kermit rec.ponds:149126
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris dGH is water hardness, and I don't think it is the problem. Mine is about 55 (varies during the year) and my hyacinths do well enough that I supply a local water garden store. your pH is a bit high, but I would think it not enough to be a problem. The koi aren't eating off the roots, are they? -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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04-06-2004, 05:07 PM
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Hi
Thanks for the reply... I have no fish in the filter with the plants and can see no evidence of aphids or the like.... I am hoping the potash will work over the next few days Can't seem to find any info on reducing hardness or whether it would help anyway. dGH seems to be the only reading that is well above recommendations etc... I forgot to mention that another plant affected is Llobelia Cardinalis.which is wilting....... I have Watercress Water Hawthorn and Iris's all doing fine tho....... Any thoughts would be appreciated Regards Chris "Charles" wrote in message news  On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris dGH is water hardness, and I don't think it is the problem. Mine is about 55 (varies during the year) and my hyacinths do well enough that I supply a local water garden store. your pH is a bit high, but I would think it not enough to be a problem. The koi aren't eating off the roots, are they? -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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04-06-2004, 09:02 PM
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It does sound like a little fertilizer will fix things, just follow the
instructions. -- Jim and Sara Humphries, Victoria, BC "ciel" wrote in message ... Hi Thanks for the reply... I have no fish in the filter with the plants and can see no evidence of aphids or the like.... I am hoping the potash will work over the next few days Can't seem to find any info on reducing hardness or whether it would help anyway. dGH seems to be the only reading that is well above recommendations etc... I forgot to mention that another plant affected is Llobelia Cardinalis.which is wilting....... I have Watercress Water Hawthorn and Iris's all doing fine tho....... Any thoughts would be appreciated Regards Chris "Charles" wrote in message news On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris dGH is water hardness, and I don't think it is the problem. Mine is about 55 (varies during the year) and my hyacinths do well enough that I supply a local water garden store. your pH is a bit high, but I would think it not enough to be a problem. The koi aren't eating off the roots, are they? -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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04-06-2004, 09:03 PM
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:52:00 +0100, "ciel"
wrote: Hi Thanks for the reply... I have no fish in the filter with the plants and can see no evidence of aphids or the like.... I am hoping the potash will work over the next few days Can't seem to find any info on reducing hardness or whether it would help anyway. dGH seems to be the only reading that is well above recommendations etc... I forgot to mention that another plant affected is Llobelia Cardinalis.which is wilting....... I have Watercress Water Hawthorn and Iris's all doing fine tho....... Any thoughts would be appreciated Regards Chris \ Try some of the hyacinths in a separate container, no other plants. There is a thing called allopathy, some plants harm or kill other plants with their secretions. I've never heard of water hyacinth being hurt, but it's worth a try if you have the space. I've never been able to keep Lobelia, Water Hawthorne dies every year and water cress tried to take over the whole place. -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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04-06-2004, 09:04 PM
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"ciel" wrote in message ... Hi Thanks for the reply... I have no fish in the filter with the plants and can see no evidence of aphids or the like.... I am hoping the potash will work over the next few days Can't seem to find any info on reducing hardness or whether it would help anyway. If anything, the hardness should be higher, not lower. My water is much harder than that, and everything is fine. dGH seems to be the only reading that is well above recommendations etc... I forgot to mention that another plant affected is Llobelia Cardinalis.which is wilting....... I have Watercress Water Hawthorn and Iris's all doing fine tho....... Any thoughts would be appreciated Regards Chris "Charles" wrote in message news On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris dGH is water hardness, and I don't think it is the problem. Mine is about 55 (varies during the year) and my hyacinths do well enough that I supply a local water garden store. your pH is a bit high, but I would think it not enough to be a problem. The koi aren't eating off the roots, are they? -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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04-06-2004, 10:03 PM
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With the curling and browning of leaves I suspect the salt. I know the 1%
is supposed to fine with plants .... but that is my guess. I would add some fresh water - see if that helps. Nedra " George" wrote in message ... "ciel" wrote in message ... Hi Thanks for the reply... I have no fish in the filter with the plants and can see no evidence of aphids or the like.... I am hoping the potash will work over the next few days Can't seem to find any info on reducing hardness or whether it would help anyway. If anything, the hardness should be higher, not lower. My water is much harder than that, and everything is fine. dGH seems to be the only reading that is well above recommendations etc... I forgot to mention that another plant affected is Llobelia Cardinalis.which is wilting....... I have Watercress Water Hawthorn and Iris's all doing fine tho....... Any thoughts would be appreciated Regards Chris "Charles" wrote in message news On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris dGH is water hardness, and I don't think it is the problem. Mine is about 55 (varies during the year) and my hyacinths do well enough that I supply a local water garden store. your pH is a bit high, but I would think it not enough to be a problem. The koi aren't eating off the roots, are they? -- - Charles - -does not play well with others |
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05-06-2004, 05:05 AM
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Ciel,
I agree with Nedra, I would suspect your 1% concentration of salt. If you intent to continue to keep it in your pond you should work to get it to 0.01% to 0.03%. Water hyacinth can be bothered by 1% salt, especially since your GH is 22 degrees. Mine is usually around 300ppm (16.7 dGH). You should also check with your water department and see what are your minerals causing your dGH. The other thing that I would be concerned with is you dKH for it is a little close the the low side of the range. In my opinion it should be between 80ppm (4.5 dKH)and 120ppm (6.8 dKH). I try to keep mine in the 120ppm range. HTH Tom L.L. ------------------------------------------ ciel wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris |
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05-06-2004, 11:19 PM
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Ingrid,
The individual said the reading was 1% not 0.1% Tom L.L. ----------------------------- wrote: 0.1% is fine with most plants. that is, 0.9lbs salt per 100 gallons. Ingrid "Nedra" wrote: With the curling and browning of leaves I suspect the salt. I know the 1% is supposed to fine with plants . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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06-06-2004, 02:08 AM
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote:
Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 How high does your pH tester read? If only to 8.5, perhaps it is much higher? Very few plants can take the nutrients they need out of the water at 8.5 and up. They actually become less effective removing nutrients after 8.0, but can manage, also filter bacteria don't do as well either. Salt 1% or 0.1%? Big difference, every plant in your pond is gonna succumb if it truly is 1%. How old are all your test kits? ~ jan dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris (Do you know where your water quality is?) |
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06-06-2004, 04:06 AM
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Hi Chris:
See excellent this study of salt tolerance of pond plants: http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...m=salt%20plant It shows death of water hyacinth and lettuce at 0.1% I've always heard the rule of thumb of 0.1% for ponds with salt. Now I don't believe it. I've been maintaining 0.05% but never get more than a month or two from either water lettuce or hyacinths. I also maintain about 30 ppm potassium (Potash) - it doesn't help. I'm in the process of lowering my salt closer to 0.025% with hopes that this will solve the problem. (Yes, I have test kits for salt and potassium, as well as iron - which is lacking in my tap water.) As far as the high GH goes, my tap water is _twice_ that so I add only softened water which results in my dGH and dKH riding around 12, good levels I believe, the best I can get without adding distilled water! But... my father's pond - he lives next door so I know his tap water is the same as mine - dGH = 76! Why? His pond has no drain so he just keeps topping off. Evaporation keeps jacking up his GH. But... his plants do fine! His salt is at 0.03%. So, are you just adding water when the level gets low, or are you doing some percentage water change at regular intervals? Steve J. Noll | Ventura California | Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please Many Thanks Regards Chris Steve J. Noll | Ventura California | Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv |
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08-06-2004, 04:34 PM
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HI All
Many Thanks for all your input. As I said I am a newbie to KOi. I had been doing my reading during the winter and read a few articles on what a good idea it was to dose the pond with salt in early spring to 1% as a precaution and preventative for parasites etc........... HOwever I did not read the rest of the advice to do water changes and bring this down afterwards. It has remained at 1% for a couple of months now so I guess not surprising the plants are suffering.. Thankfully the fish seem none the worse !! As the saying goes "A little knowledge is often worse than none at all" !! I shall continue to read on.........!! A 30% water change today............? And if the worse comes to the worse I shall introduce Cod and Mackerel to my little "sea" in the garden LOL Once again thanks for all your advice Regards Chris "Steve J. Noll" wrote in message ... Hi Chris: See excellent this study of salt tolerance of pond plants: http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...m=salt%20plant Many Thanks Regards Chris Steve J. Noll | Ventura California | Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please |
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08-06-2004, 04:37 PM
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I am totally amazed your fish arent dying or dead with 1% salt that long. are you
sure it isnt 0.1%? how much salt did you put into how much water? In some places they got trouble doing their chemistry and getting the decimal points in the right places... in some koi books too, so be very very careful about adding chemicals of ANY kind including salt without checking carefully. 0.1% is good salt concentration long term (0.9lb per 100 gallons of water) from 0.1% - 0.3% must be used short term and with caution as some fish respond poorly or can be burned. 0.3% and up is only a bath, not in the pond concentration. Ingrid "ciel" wrote: I had been doing my reading during the winter and read a few articles on what a good idea it was to dose the pond with salt in early spring to 1% as a precaution and preventative for parasites etc........... HOwever I did not read the rest of the advice to do water changes and bring this down afterwards. It has remained at 1% for a couple of months now so I guess not surprising the plants are suffering.. Thankfully the fish seem none the worse !! As the saying goes "A little knowledge is often worse than none at all" !! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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09-06-2004, 06:38 AM
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HI All
Many Thanks for all your input. As I said I am a newbie to KOi. I had been doing my reading during the winter and read a few articles on what a good idea it was to dose the pond with salt in early spring to 1% as a precaution and preventative for parasites etc........... HOwever I did not read the rest of the advice to do water changes and bring this down afterwards. It has remained at 1% for a couple of months now so I guess not surprising the plants are suffering.. Thankfully the fish seem none the worse !! As the saying goes "A little knowledge is often worse than none at all" !! I shall continue to read on.........!! A 30% water change today............? And if the worse comes to the worse I shall introduce Cod and Mackerel to my little "sea" in the garden LOL Once again thanks for all your advice Regards Chris "Steve J. Noll" wrote in message ... Hi Chris: See excellent this study of salt tolerance of pond plants: http://www.koivet.com/html/articles/...m=salt%20plant Many Thanks Regards Chris Steve J. Noll | Ventura California | Glass Block Pond http://www.kissingfrogs.tv On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:44:48 +0100, "ciel" wrote: Hi all Newbie here please advise.!! Pond is about 9 months old with a 55Gal Biofilter + (UV installed this week) Plus a newly setup Veg filter 300gals Plus 2 waterfalls (in and out of veggie filter) for oxygenation 2000 Gals in total Water Temp 60 degrees (Noon today) Amonia= 0 NO3= 0 NO2= 0 PH= 8.5 dKH= 4.5 dGH= 21.....................????!!! Salinity= 1% 15 fish all under 9" mostly Koi Water Hyacinths are browning and curling up at edges as is Water Lettuce.....! Although yesterday having read various postings on web I added 1 tablespoon Potash This dGH reading is worrying me ..what is it telling me? Anyone have a solution please |
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