"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
om...
This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale around
my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of
totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak.
1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you would
have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'.
2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the liner.
3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from
leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not thinking
about?
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)


The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a large pin
oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a thick
tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that it
didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground for two
years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for at more
than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But at that
time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.

"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
. com...
Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves
are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the
fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing
in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but
I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc.
Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country
but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet -
5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were
above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont
think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has
started anyway.
Thanxx
Bill

If you are unsure of the depth to bedrock at your location, but have reason to
believe that it is shallow, you can do one of two things cheaply. First, you
can pick up a piece of scrap metal re-bar somewhere and drive it into the ground
with a 3 lbs mallet or a sledge hammer until it will go no farther, and measure
the depth. Alternatively, you can rent a hand auger at a tool rental shop and
auger down as far as you can go, then measure the depth. I prefer the second
method, as you can see the soil and weathered rock as you auger down and make a
better estimation of when you've reached bedrock. In most cases you will likely
encounter weathered rock before you actually encounter bedrock, but you should
be able to reach within a foot or less, so these are good, cheap ways to make an
estimation before you decide to build. Good luck.

The deepest section of my pond it 54". If the clay had not been so
hard, my arms killing me, and my neighbors looking at me down in that
hole and just shaking their heads with pity in their eyes, I would have
probably gone to 5 feet. It sometimes get really cold here in Colorado
and the pond is in full sun. However the nice greenish water adds some
protection for the residents. :-)
W. Dale

Newbie Bill wrote:

Thanks for the thoughts Nedra - I probably am leaning that way. The leaves
are going to be a problem in any case. My little pond is already in the
fartherst location so a new pond would still get plenty of leaves blowing
in. Depth I'm not sure of depth. I know everyone sez bigger is better but
I do like the economies of smaller pumps, filters, water changes, meds etc.
Probably will just have to investigate. May be like that around the country
but around here you pretty much expect to run into rock below about 2 feet -
5 would probably be quite an accomplishment unless a couple of them were
above ground. In fact we just had our pond tour this week end and I dont
think I saw a pond over about 3 1/2-4 ft. Well the creative process has
started anyway.
Thanxx
Bill

"Nedra" wrote in message
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Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!

I just wouldn't take a chance on tree roots Not puncturing the liner. I
have a small
spirea that punctured my liner several years ago. The pond had to be
emptied (all
the fish transferred to holding quarters, etc.) and patched. A big
headache all 'round.
Moreover, the leaves are a big minus in putting the pond around trees.

All

of the minuses
you can think of and then some.

I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.

You

can always
buy a sun shelter and they do look very nice... or build a sun shade in

the

Japanese manner.
Don't skimp on depth. I would go 5 feet deep at least. ... that way any

koi

will be protected
from the blistering summer heat - along with the sun shade you've already
installed ;-)
Also the water lilies will thank you for installing your pond in full sun
... what else, there
must be more pluses!

Good Luck!

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Newbie Bill" wrote in message
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This may be years in the coming, but if by chance liners go on sale

around

my birthday - ya never know. The only place we really have, short of
totally full sun is under the canopy of several Live Oaks and Pin Oak.
1) Anyone know rules of thumb about how far away from the base you

would

have to be to not disturb the 'tap roots?'.
2) What concerns are there about any trees, shrubs etc puncturing the

liner.

3) This exposure would pretty much just be diffused light. Aside from
leaves and slow/limited plant growth any other negatives I'm not

thinking

about?
Thanxx
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas (8b)

Just remembered I did see one 5 foot deep pond. Wow. Dell techie just
finishing it up. Probably spent a year of my take home pay on it, but how
nice. 14,000 gallons. Looked like a swimming pool, with a top kiddie pool
as his bog. Sprayed on gator guard liner. Two bottom drains and a skimmer.
Each of the bottom drains feeding these giant vortex filters, the skimmer on
a big bead filter. But as mentioned he did have some serious excavation to
do to get the rock out. Funny, seeing that expensive set up made me even
more resolved to eventually have a bigger pond, though much smaller than
his. One I could afford to build and operate. I'm sure when that day comes
I will enjoy it as much or more as him. Heck my little 800 gallon pond is
heaven. Anything more would be bliss.
Bill Blisster (?) - Austin, Texas

"Nedra" wrote in message
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Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
snip
I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
snip

My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.

The well traveled "your neighbor" rises yet again heh.
Unfortunately I dont have much of a choice. Because of the way my trees and
house are sitting, a new pond will either be in shade under the trees or sun
not under. If we really trimmed the lower limbs back (not desired) we could
manage to have after - noon sun under the trees. Actually my current pond
get sun after about 10am and it is pretty clear, but certainly not gin
clear.
Thanxx
Bill

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:22:34 -0400, "Benign Vanilla"
wrote:


"Nedra" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Bill ... I do hope you get your Birthday pond liner!!
snip
I would bite the bullet and go ahead and install the pond in full sun.
snip

My two cents...

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.

BV.


Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

(HA HA Budys Here) wrote:

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.

They must be starving!

They don't starve, they just grow to meet their food supply. If fed,
like people they never stop growing. If left to natural food sources,
the stop growing when the are starting to overeat the area. That is the
reason that Koi and Goldfish have such a wide variation in mature size.

--
Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

On 23 Jul 2004 03:32:39 GMT, (HA HA Budys Here)
wrote:

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

Nah, they have a large menu and they're fat & lively.

They eat algae, parrot's feather, hornwort, roots of water hyacinth,
water lettuce, watercress, pineapple mint, and stray roots of the
lilies and pickerels.

For protein there's mosquito larvae, frog & toad eggs, unfortunate
clumsy insects, tadpoles, and baby fish.

I feed 'em a handful of fish food about once a week just on the off
chance that some vitamin or other is locally deficient and to help
keem 'em relatively tame.

That being said, it's also true that when I have to wade in to
move/divide plants, there is a young one I call "killer" because he
comes straight over to me and nibbles on my legs the whole time I'm in
the water. I try to wave him away, but he is fearless and determined
to eat me alive. :-)


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

" George" wrote in message
...
snip
The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a
large pin
oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a
thick
tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that
it
didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground
for two
years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for
at more
than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But
at that
time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.

Shareholders pond has the same proximity. When we dug, we didn't find one
root from that tree.

BV.


What kind of tree was it?

In article , "Benign Vanilla"
writes:

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.


my pond is in full sun too from sunrise to sunset, has a combo mechanical, bio,
veggie filter and is gin clear to the bottom of 5 ft. ( I hate it - just
waiting to come home and find the kingfisher has paid a visit ;()

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
My Art Studio at
http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K....M.Studios.html
for email remove the extra extention

On 23 Jul 2004 03:32:39 GMT, (HA HA Budys Here)
wrote:

Mine is full sun, pressurised filter, crystal clear.

I rarely feed the fish and have lots of plants.


Mike Patterson

They must be starving!

Nah, they have a large menu and they're fat & lively.

They eat algae, parrot's feather, hornwort, roots of water hyacinth,
water lettuce, watercress, pineapple mint, and stray roots of the
lilies and pickerels.

For protein there's mosquito larvae, frog & toad eggs, unfortunate
clumsy insects, tadpoles, and baby fish.

I feed 'em a handful of fish food about once a week just on the off
chance that some vitamin or other is locally deficient and to help
keem 'em relatively tame.

That being said, it's also true that when I have to wade in to
move/divide plants, there is a young one I call "killer" because he
comes straight over to me and nibbles on my legs the whole time I'm in
the water. I try to wave him away, but he is fearless and determined
to eat me alive. :-)


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody. I should have been more specific..."

" George" wrote in message
...
snip
The leading edge of my pond is located at the edge of the canopy of a
large pin
oak. I made sure to clip any roots along the excavation wall, and used a
thick
tarp to line the wall before installing the pond liner, to make sure that
it
didn't get punchered by any roots I missed. The pond has been inground
for two
years now with no problems, and the pin oak provides plenty of shade for
at more
than half of the day. The only problem is with leaves in the fall. But
at that
time, I use a net over the pond to keep the leaves out.

Shareholders pond has the same proximity. When we dug, we didn't find one
root from that tree.

BV.

In article , "Benign Vanilla"
writes:

My neighbors pond gets almost full sun. He has a mechanical filter and a VF.
My pond has only a VF, and get partial shade. His is pea green. Mine is gin
clear to four feet.


my pond is in full sun too from sunrise to sunset, has a combo mechanical, bio,
veggie filter and is gin clear to the bottom of 5 ft. ( I hate it - just
waiting to come home and find the kingfisher has paid a visit ;()

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
My Art Studio at
http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K....M.Studios.html
for email remove the extra extention