My lilies were first planted in the large sized nursery pots. With lots of
rocks on top.
The Koi were still pretty young .... they had a blast! I'd see a lily
traverseing the top
of the pond. A koi or two were hauling it all over. I got such a kick out
of watching
them play with the lilies... then it hit me that the reason the lilies were
disappearing is
because the koi were Eating Them. So I guess you could say I've always had
a
problem with lily-eating Koi. Must be an individual koi thing?

Nedra
Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)

This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi
pond.
What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
luncheon?
Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
rocks

Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love
y'all
muchly.

I first planted my lillies in mud with rocks on top. They went crazy. Last
year I tried just rocks and they were pathetic. This year I am going back
to
the mud with rock covering. All of my plants are planted in waste baskets
that have holes in the sides, and bottom. My Koi have never disturbed
them.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }((((((o
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote in message
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"Nedra" wrote in message
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Carol,

How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
All ideas are welcome
========================
I use that green plastic covered garden wire that comes on a roll to tie
tomato plants to stakes. It comes with a snip to cut it to the lengths
you
want. I buy it at Wally World's garden center. I take a large piece of
leftover netting and set the plant on it, then just sort of bag it up
and
use the wire to hold it closed. The closed part being offset to the
plant
grows through the net. On large lily pots I cut a piece to cover the
top
only and use the same wire to secure it around the edge, about 8 pieces
of
the wire. This wire will last over a year underwater.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ }(((((0
Hmm, I just had an idea for a VF experiment.

My Iris overgrow their pots/baskets every year, and turn into a tangle
mass
of roots. I plant them only in rock. So, how about instead of using
baskets,
use mesh bags, filled with rock. Sit them in the VF. They'll sit more
level
then the pots, and I expect will thrive.

$$ Excellent idea. Give it a go! I haven't done anything with my water
iris. They've become so tangled at one end of the pond we just leave them
alone. They're on a shelf and have grown all together. You can't even see
the pots anymore. The fish like to spawn in the tangle. When we clean the
pond we just hose this iris forest and let it be. BTW, the iris we once had
in the settling tank grew 6' tall. They actually blocked the water flow and
had to be removed.

Off to the mesh bag store for me...

$$ There ya go! :-))

--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }((((((o
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }((((((o
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
Completely FREE softwa
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"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"~ Windsong ~" P@P wrote in message
...

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
Carol,

How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
All ideas are welcome
========================
I use that green plastic covered garden wire that comes on a roll to tie
tomato plants to stakes. It comes with a snip to cut it to the lengths
you
want. I buy it at Wally World's garden center. I take a large piece of
leftover netting and set the plant on it, then just sort of bag it up
and
use the wire to hold it closed. The closed part being offset to the
plant
grows through the net. On large lily pots I cut a piece to cover the
top
only and use the same wire to secure it around the edge, about 8 pieces
of
the wire. This wire will last over a year underwater.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ }(((((0
Hmm, I just had an idea for a VF experiment.

My Iris overgrow their pots/baskets every year, and turn into a tangle
mass
of roots. I plant them only in rock. So, how about instead of using
baskets,
use mesh bags, filled with rock. Sit them in the VF. They'll sit more
level
then the pots, and I expect will thrive.

$$ Excellent idea. Give it a go! I haven't done anything with my water
iris. They've become so tangled at one end of the pond we just leave them
alone. They're on a shelf and have grown all together. You can't even see
the pots anymore. The fish like to spawn in the tangle. When we clean the
pond we just hose this iris forest and let it be. BTW, the iris we once had
in the settling tank grew 6' tall. They actually blocked the water flow and
had to be removed.

Off to the mesh bag store for me...

$$ There ya go! :-))

--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }((((((o
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
Completely FREE softwa
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Plans.....Maybe this is the year I'll actually build a pond instead of just
reading about them.



"Lt. Kizhe Catson" wrote in message
...
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?

If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to
go
with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Plan for spring/summer 2005:

Dig/line/fill pond #2. This is to be ~6'x6', on the shady side of the
sunroom, right under the edge of it, so when you're in the sunroom it
looks like the water goes right underneath you (but the overhang is
actually only about 4"). Surrounding landscaping to include some of the
monster rocks they dug out to do the sunroom footings (levering them in
to place will require some....leverage. In a family full of engineers,
this is what we do for fun ;-). Then, general cleanup and repair of the
backyard from the construction damage. Goal: naturalized "forest floor"
kind of look.

-- Kizhe

You don't have to remind me, Jan. Unfortunately my memory is 'way to clear
and indeed haunts me at times. I know my problem is that I have trouble
separating the koi from their adored plants .... what I want to know is
a practical method of planting the lilies in the first place. I got several
answers
which I plan to use. Thanks all.

Nedr
Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:44:27 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

Thanks for the advice Jan. My guys and gals swim around in packs of 5 or
6
(total koi
# of Koi is 14). I've never seen them attack the lilies - one at a time.

This is what I was trying to say, had some typos getting in my way of
clarification. Let them check it out one at a time, rather than a group.
When the group heads over, get ready to shoo them away.

I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
"kids"

Hmmm, I should save this for the files, so if you ever come in and say: "I
can't keep plants with my koi..... " I can remind you. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

You don't have to remind me, Jan. Unfortunately my memory is 'way to clear
and indeed haunts me at times. I know my problem is that I have trouble
separating the koi from their adored plants .... what I want to know is
a practical method of planting the lilies in the first place. I got several
answers
which I plan to use. Thanks all.

Nedr
Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:44:27 GMT, "Nedra"
wrote:

Thanks for the advice Jan. My guys and gals swim around in packs of 5 or
6
(total koi
# of Koi is 14). I've never seen them attack the lilies - one at a time.

This is what I was trying to say, had some typos getting in my way of
clarification. Let them check it out one at a time, rather than a group.
When the group heads over, get ready to shoo them away.

I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
"kids"

Hmmm, I should save this for the files, so if you ever come in and say: "I
can't keep plants with my koi..... " I can remind you. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:17:11 GMT, "Nedra" wrote:

I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
"kids"

Hmmm, I should save this for the files, so if you ever come in and say: "I
can't keep plants with my koi..... " I can remind you. ;o) ~ jan

You don't have to remind me, Jan.
Nedra

Remind you?!!! I was kidding, I was thinking more along the lines of black
mail. "No wait!!!! That's the evil Porg Queen speaking," Slapping self back
to sanity. ;o))))) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

"Nedra" wrote in message
ink.net...
You don't have to remind me, Jan. Unfortunately my memory is 'way to
clear
and indeed haunts me at times. I know my problem is that I have trouble
separating the koi from their adored plants .... what I want to know is
a practical method of planting the lilies in the first place. I got
several
answers
which I plan to use. Thanks all.
=========================
I use those Rose stakes for fertilizer in my lily pots. Works great and
they're not toxic to fish.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }((((((o

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?

If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
Well, I plan to finish my veggie filter, dig a new little pond (100
gallons or so) for the return from the VF, try NOT to buy any new kio
this year (LOL - yeah,), finish landscaping, and start saving for a new
liner when this one gets a hole in it and I have to redig and expand my
pond for the new liner to fit exactly proper and all. :-))))))))

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?

If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
Well, I plan to finish my veggie filter, dig a new little pond (100
gallons or so) for the return from the VF, try NOT to buy any new kio
this year (LOL - yeah,), finish landscaping, and start saving for a new
liner when this one gets a hole in it and I have to redig and expand my
pond for the new liner to fit exactly proper and all. :-))))))))

My DH has informed me that he will do no projects this
year! He has his own projects and will not be available
for any of mine :-(.
I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
to the canaries singing.

--
Bonnie
NJ

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:49:18 GMT, Bonnie wrote:

I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
to the canaries singing.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Just keeping up with maintenance will be enough for me this year. Only new
thing will be trying to catch the baby koi out of the ponds. I dread that,
catching fish is always a stressful time for me, because I know it is for
my fish. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:49:18 GMT, Bonnie wrote:

I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
to the canaries singing.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Just keeping up with maintenance will be enough for me this year. Only new
thing will be trying to catch the baby koi out of the ponds. I dread that,
catching fish is always a stressful time for me, because I know it is for
my fish. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Well Bonnie, this puts you in my class. I've never had Free male help with
the ponds.
Opps take that back. Dave, 1st son, helped me put in the veggie filter
about 4 years ago.
I thought I was in Heaven....
Anyway, welcome to the club sweetie. It really isn't that bad ... sitting
by the pond
and dreaming.

Nedra in Missouri


"Bonnie" wrote in message
...
My DH has informed me that he will do no projects this
year! He has his own projects and will not be available
for any of mine :-(.
I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
to the canaries singing.

--
Bonnie
NJ

"Benign Vanilla" wrote in message
...

"~ jan JJsPond.us" wrote in message
...
What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?

If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to
go
with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan


Ooh good topic...

1. Dig and install new Lotus only garden. Possibly named Ode to Nedra.
2. Finish patching and cementing stream.


Does Nedra have to be dead to have an Ode?