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Missster Lincoln
You have some *enormous* roses. How do you deadhead them, and do you prune them? Also, where do you live, and what climate, to get such enormous specimens? Scopata Fuori |
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Missster Lincoln
On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:43:45 GMT, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote:
On 6 Apr 2003 14:51:55 GMT, (lms) wrote: I've seen some talk about this rose. Lest you ever put any other red gd rose on a pedestal... you'd best think again about that pedestal. I've also heard talk of eating roses, you know, around here? Eat this one. heheh http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6mrl03.jpg That is not remotely pretty. You need to learn that bigger is not always better. P. S. Bite me, chicken man. m http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/ros99.htm Speaking of Mr. Lincoln, I was at Lowe's today, picking out a new hanging pendant for my kitchen to replace the old "granny fixture" and, what should be by the door but some nice gallon $8.97 roses. And, lo and behold, one of them was a very nice Mr. Lincoln with two good sized half-opened buds on it. Because I'm jonesing for some blooms, I'm going to forgo my own advice and not disbud this plant and just hope for the best. Well, that plant is now ensconsed next to my entry porch, very near Papa Meilland, a transplanted Ingrid Bergman that I hope is going to take, a pink (I can feel you shiver coldly, Shiva) Belami and a couple of wildly colored Desert Peaces. It should look nice in mid-season. I just have to remember that here, Mr. Lincoln is going to need winter protection as it's a "Zone 7 rose". I know that it grows OK here though, because I have a friend who has one. So, I'm looking forward to a fragrant porch, with all of those fragrant red and pink roses... |
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Missster Lincoln
On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:42:55 -0500, dave weil
wrote: On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:43:45 GMT, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote: On 6 Apr 2003 14:51:55 GMT, (lms) wrote: I've seen some talk about this rose. Lest you ever put any other red gd rose on a pedestal... you'd best think again about that pedestal. I've also heard talk of eating roses, you know, around here? Eat this one. heheh http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6mrl03.jpg That is not remotely pretty. You need to learn that bigger is not always better. P. S. Bite me, chicken man. m http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/ros99.htm Speaking of Mr. Lincoln, I was at Lowe's today, picking out a new hanging pendant for my kitchen to replace the old "granny fixture" and, what should be by the door but some nice gallon $8.97 roses. And, lo and behold, one of them was a very nice Mr. Lincoln with two good sized half-opened buds on it. Because I'm jonesing for some blooms, I'm going to forgo my own advice and not disbud this plant and just hope for the best. For strongly-scented (citrusy) blooms with long straight stems and the most perfect long buds ever, this is a great rose. Otherwise it is fatally flawed. The bush shape sucks, for one thing. Look at CM's Biggus Diccus New Mexico example again, and you can see it. It is a giant version of what EVERYBODY'S Mr. L. looks like. Shooting canes straight to the stars, totally naked knees. This one just has 20-foot legs. Ugly, ugly ubly. Then there is the fact that the bloom form is loose and icky, with a sunken center, and it blues so terribly it is only really true red for about 15 minutes. And, NO, cutting early does not help. They blue in the house to a sicky purply-magenta. Then there is the fact that you get enough of these roses together and they get that faint garbagy smell that all grocery stores used to have. Grow it if you must--but there are better reds. |
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Missster Lincoln
On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:53:43 GMT, (Shiva) wrote:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:42:55 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:43:45 GMT, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote: On 6 Apr 2003 14:51:55 GMT, (lms) wrote: I've seen some talk about this rose. Lest you ever put any other red gd rose on a pedestal... you'd best think again about that pedestal. I've also heard talk of eating roses, you know, around here? Eat this one. heheh http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6mrl03.jpg That is not remotely pretty. You need to learn that bigger is not always better. P. S. Bite me, chicken man. m http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/ros99.htm Speaking of Mr. Lincoln, I was at Lowe's today, picking out a new hanging pendant for my kitchen to replace the old "granny fixture" and, what should be by the door but some nice gallon $8.97 roses. And, lo and behold, one of them was a very nice Mr. Lincoln with two good sized half-opened buds on it. Because I'm jonesing for some blooms, I'm going to forgo my own advice and not disbud this plant and just hope for the best. For strongly-scented (citrusy) blooms with long straight stems and the most perfect long buds ever, this is a great rose. Otherwise it is fatally flawed. The bush shape sucks, for one thing. Look at CM's Biggus Diccus New Mexico example again, and you can see it. It is a giant version of what EVERYBODY'S Mr. L. looks like. Shooting canes straight to the stars, totally naked knees. This one just has 20-foot legs. Ugly, ugly ubly. Then there is the fact that the bloom form is loose and icky, with a sunken center, and it blues so terribly it is only really true red for about 15 minutes. And, NO, cutting early does not help. They blue in the house to a sicky purply-magenta. Then there is the fact that you get enough of these roses together and they get that faint garbagy smell that all grocery stores used to have. Grow it if you must--but there are better reds. It was just an impulse buy and it should fill a little void pretty nicely... Your comments are interesting though...I'll keep them in mind as it gets into the season... |
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Missster Lincoln
In article ,
says... On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:53:43 GMT, (Shiva) wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:42:55 -0500, dave weil wrote: On Mon, 07 Apr 2003 20:43:45 GMT, in rec.gardens.roses you wrote: On 6 Apr 2003 14:51:55 GMT, (lms) wrote: I've seen some talk about this rose. Lest you ever put any other red gd rose on a pedestal... you'd best think again about that pedestal. I've also heard talk of eating roses, you know, around here? Eat this one. heheh http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/8x6mrl03.jpg That is not remotely pretty. You need to learn that bigger is not always better. shock and awe. an army of one. be all you can be. P. S. Bite me, chicken man. m http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/~mstephen/ros99.htm Speaking of Mr. Lincoln, I was at Lowe's today, picking out a new hanging pendant for my kitchen to replace the old "granny fixture" and, what should be by the door but some nice gallon $8.97 roses. And, lo and behold, one of them was a very nice Mr. Lincoln with two good sized half-opened buds on it. Because I'm jonesing for some blooms, I'm going to forgo my own advice and not disbud this plant and just hope for the best. For strongly-scented (citrusy) you will definitely not flash on 7-Up or Mountain Dew. It's rose fragrance with an fff descriptor and few people try to pigeonhole it beyond that. White Lightnin' is citrus, Soleil d'Or--the leaf-- is citrus. White Lightnin''s also major wimp material, one of my first 'study' roses, but that's beyond the point. Its name matches the speed of disappearance of its canes in winter. blooms with long straight stems and the most perfect long buds ever, this is a great rose. Otherwise it is fatally flawed. The bush shape sucks, for one thing. Look at CM's Biggus Diccus New Mexico example again, and you can see it. It is a giant version of what EVERYBODY'S Mr. L. looks like. so you are right and every single catalog and ten million people are wrong, are fools. scoff. If you don't like the look of powerful and majestic rose canes which produce crops worthy of these canes, get a floribunda. What you see there is actually only about half the breadth of what it was two years ago when I painfully hacked off the 12-foot sideways extensions in all possible directions, with 10-foot laterals going straight up, their entire lengths. I just couldn't get around it any more, the circle just got too large, took drastic action. Felt better in some ways, not in others. I can now walk around it with a reasonable expectation of not losing an eye. however. and you're very selective about your bigger is not better nonsense, why just today I saw your reply to one of your admirers who boasts 7 inchers. believe me, every rose suited for this area and given a good location grows just like that one. If they're supposed to make big balls, they make big balls. If they're supposed to make impenetrable thickets, they make impenetrable thickets. etc. It's that simple. This is rose heaven. No predatory fungi. Shooting canes straight to the stars, totally naked knees. This one just has 20-foot legs. Ugly, ugly ubly. Then there is the fact that the bloom form is loose and icky, with a sunken center, and it blues so terribly it is only really true red for about 15 minutes. And, NO, cutting early does not help. They blue in the house to a sicky purply-magenta. Then there is the fact that you get enough of these roses together and they get that faint garbagy smell that all grocery stores used to have. Grow it if you must--but there are better reds. there are certainly plenty of cookie-cutter flash in the pan red hybrid teas to be found but as you go down the comparative checklist, you'll be leaving open boxes next to pertinent categories for real-world places, and you had better get them while they're hot cause they'll disappear from the catalogs tomorrow unless they're called something like Veterans Honor, that is their only hope. That said, Royal William is just a notch down from Mr. Lincoln and has *all the qualities a red rose should have, number one being toughness and the willingness to actually grow. Oklahoma, btw, has all the growing qualities of Mr. Lincoln, only what it lacks in height it does sideways. Still have two of these too, and though their days of True Majesty may be gone, due to my other interests, I just call them venerable. It was just an impulse buy and it should fill a little void pretty nicely... Your comments are interesting though...I'll keep them in mind as it gets into the season... of course you will. let young willy grow or be damned. m |
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Missster Lincoln
dave weil wrote:
Speaking of Mr. Lincoln, I was at Lowe's today, picking out a new hanging pendant for my kitchen to replace the old "granny fixture" and, what should be by the door but some nice gallon $8.97 roses. And, lo and behold, one of them was a very nice Mr. Lincoln with two good sized half-opened buds on it. Because I'm jonesing for some blooms, I'm going to forgo my own advice and not disbud this plant and just hope for the best. Well, that plant is now ensconsed next to my entry porch, very near Papa Meilland, a transplanted Ingrid Bergman that I hope is going to take, a pink (I can feel you shiver coldly, Shiva) Belami and a couple of wildly colored Desert Peaces. It should look nice in mid-season. I just have to remember that here, Mr. Lincoln is going to need winter protection as it's a "Zone 7 rose". I know that it grows OK here though, because I have a friend who has one. Well, my Belami is just a memory, but I'd have to say that Mr. Lincoln does not necessarily need winter protection. Mine survived last winter - OK, it died to the bud union. But my MIL (Douglassville, PA, home of Kiwi shoe polish) is going gang busters without having had any winter protection. Mr. Lincoln is one teflon rose. |
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