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J&P on Fortuniana root stock
If in doubt, assume it's Dr. Huey. That's the main one the mass
distributors use. If you're buying from a small independent grower, just ask. They might even be able to use/order multiple root stocks or do own-root upon request. Dr. Huey does acceptably well in most parts of the country, which makes it the primary choice for Weeks, J&P, etc. Fortuniana does exceptionally well in very hot climates, which is why the Florida growers use it. If you prefer Multiflora, check out Ashdown Roses. If you need Fortuniana, thus far Muncy's is the only place I know that does mail order. (Nelson's is planning on adding internet orders soon.) For own root, check out Sequoia, Roses Unlimited, Ashdown, etc (too many other small growers to name them all.) And if Dr. Huey is right for your location, congratulations! They're everywhere, and they're cheaper than Fortuniana. Try Wayside Gardens, S&W Greenhouse, or even your local Wal-Mart. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:33:38 GMT, Dick Zielinski wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:20:03 -0700, "Tim Tompkins" wrote: Growers usually choose their root stock based upon the soil conditions in their area. snip Ok, that sounds like a real plus. But how can I know what soil condition a particular rose or rootstock is intended for. And how does one know what rootstock is being used... unlike fruit trees,I've never seen it listed. Dick |
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J&P on Fortuniana root stock
"torgo" wrote: I just returned from a work trip to central Florida. On the way home, I stopped by several nurseries and garden centers searching for roses from Nelson's, which uses Fortuniana root stock. One place I visited had J&P roses that were identified as Fortuniana root stock in addition to the ones from Nelson's. I was curious, since I had never seen or heard that J&P used Fortuniana before. The manager explained that the J&P roses distributed in Florida came from a Florida based grower / supplier. Almost certainly. It's a very Florida thing. Dr. Malcolm Manners uses Fortuniana rootstock when he grafts roses. He's at Florida Southern U. in Lakeland. You get that far south in Florida, and nematodes become a major problem. Heck, even some soils here in the north of the peninsula are way infested. Fortuniana seems to have tolerance for nematodes sufficient to keep the plant alive. Interestingly, the only found rose I know of from peninsular Florida is known as "Alachua Red" and was found in this county (Alachua County, big surprise). We're sort of in nematode country, sort of not. Nematodes don't like clay in the soil, nor a lot of organic matter. Mulching with wood chips (not a rot-resist wood like bald-cypress, either) and letting them rot into the soil is supposed to help. I have a lot of cheapo roses on Dr. Huey here, but most are still in pots. I plan to take cuttings of all of them in case the rootstock succumbs once they are in actual Floridian dirt rather than a soil-less mix based on Canadian sphagnum. I buy a lot of own-root roses but those discount-store Dr. Huey ones are so damned tempting...and disappointing at times, I must admit. A few I bought early this year are already dead, despite being potted up rather than just stuck in the ground. Mark. |
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J&P on Fortuniana root stock
"torgo" wrote: I just returned from a work trip to central Florida. On the way home, I stopped by several nurseries and garden centers searching for roses from Nelson's, which uses Fortuniana root stock. One place I visited had J&P roses that were identified as Fortuniana root stock in addition to the ones from Nelson's. I was curious, since I had never seen or heard that J&P used Fortuniana before. The manager explained that the J&P roses distributed in Florida came from a Florida based grower / supplier. Almost certainly. It's a very Florida thing. Dr. Malcolm Manners uses Fortuniana rootstock when he grafts roses. He's at Florida Southern U. in Lakeland. You get that far south in Florida, and nematodes become a major problem. Heck, even some soils here in the north of the peninsula are way infested. Fortuniana seems to have tolerance for nematodes sufficient to keep the plant alive. Interestingly, the only found rose I know of from peninsular Florida is known as "Alachua Red" and was found in this county (Alachua County, big surprise). We're sort of in nematode country, sort of not. Nematodes don't like clay in the soil, nor a lot of organic matter. Mulching with wood chips (not a rot-resist wood like bald-cypress, either) and letting them rot into the soil is supposed to help. I have a lot of cheapo roses on Dr. Huey here, but most are still in pots. I plan to take cuttings of all of them in case the rootstock succumbs once they are in actual Floridian dirt rather than a soil-less mix based on Canadian sphagnum. I buy a lot of own-root roses but those discount-store Dr. Huey ones are so damned tempting...and disappointing at times, I must admit. A few I bought early this year are already dead, despite being potted up rather than just stuck in the ground. Mark. |
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J&P on Fortuniana root stock
"torgo" wrote: I just returned from a work trip to central Florida. On the way home, I stopped by several nurseries and garden centers searching for roses from Nelson's, which uses Fortuniana root stock. One place I visited had J&P roses that were identified as Fortuniana root stock in addition to the ones from Nelson's. I was curious, since I had never seen or heard that J&P used Fortuniana before. The manager explained that the J&P roses distributed in Florida came from a Florida based grower / supplier. Almost certainly. It's a very Florida thing. Dr. Malcolm Manners uses Fortuniana rootstock when he grafts roses. He's at Florida Southern U. in Lakeland. You get that far south in Florida, and nematodes become a major problem. Heck, even some soils here in the north of the peninsula are way infested. Fortuniana seems to have tolerance for nematodes sufficient to keep the plant alive. Interestingly, the only found rose I know of from peninsular Florida is known as "Alachua Red" and was found in this county (Alachua County, big surprise). We're sort of in nematode country, sort of not. Nematodes don't like clay in the soil, nor a lot of organic matter. Mulching with wood chips (not a rot-resist wood like bald-cypress, either) and letting them rot into the soil is supposed to help. I have a lot of cheapo roses on Dr. Huey here, but most are still in pots. I plan to take cuttings of all of them in case the rootstock succumbs once they are in actual Floridian dirt rather than a soil-less mix based on Canadian sphagnum. I buy a lot of own-root roses but those discount-store Dr. Huey ones are so damned tempting...and disappointing at times, I must admit. A few I bought early this year are already dead, despite being potted up rather than just stuck in the ground. Mark. |
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J&P on Fortuniana root stock
"torgo" wrote: I just returned from a work trip to central Florida. On the way home, I stopped by several nurseries and garden centers searching for roses from Nelson's, which uses Fortuniana root stock. One place I visited had J&P roses that were identified as Fortuniana root stock in addition to the ones from Nelson's. I was curious, since I had never seen or heard that J&P used Fortuniana before. The manager explained that the J&P roses distributed in Florida came from a Florida based grower / supplier. Almost certainly. It's a very Florida thing. Dr. Malcolm Manners uses Fortuniana rootstock when he grafts roses. He's at Florida Southern U. in Lakeland. You get that far south in Florida, and nematodes become a major problem. Heck, even some soils here in the north of the peninsula are way infested. Fortuniana seems to have tolerance for nematodes sufficient to keep the plant alive. Interestingly, the only found rose I know of from peninsular Florida is known as "Alachua Red" and was found in this county (Alachua County, big surprise). We're sort of in nematode country, sort of not. Nematodes don't like clay in the soil, nor a lot of organic matter. Mulching with wood chips (not a rot-resist wood like bald-cypress, either) and letting them rot into the soil is supposed to help. I have a lot of cheapo roses on Dr. Huey here, but most are still in pots. I plan to take cuttings of all of them in case the rootstock succumbs once they are in actual Floridian dirt rather than a soil-less mix based on Canadian sphagnum. I buy a lot of own-root roses but those discount-store Dr. Huey ones are so damned tempting...and disappointing at times, I must admit. A few I bought early this year are already dead, despite being potted up rather than just stuck in the ground. Mark. |
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J and P does not produce all the roses bear the name of their label, which is very There may be a 'contract growers in the use of fortuniania to Floridia Sales and distribution in the southeast.
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