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Household bleach
Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and
cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny |
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That is really scary.
I drink well water. Grrrrr! With hope and heart, Kathleen -- This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practise ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people. ~ C.S.Lewis "Jonny" wrote in message k.net... Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny |
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Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? Jonny It's poisoning and killing everything! Good God, the man is a flaming idiot! You should report it to someone. Cindy |
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Jonny wrote: Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny Jonny, Before we go reporting this guy to "someone" it would be advisable to do a search to see what the bleach will do to the environment. I'm not saying that he hasn't already done so and knows what he is doing, but maybe he does know what he is doing. Mind you, I am not an environmentalist wacko, even though I have gone organic in my vegetable patch at home, the yard and flower beds. On the other hand, at times the organic way does not work and one has to turn to other means of fixin' things, and that does not mean that I have no concern or care for the environment. There is ALWAYS a happy medium to all problems, and maybe, just maybe that is what this guy found. Let's not jump to conclusions and go to the extremes. Ray South Austin === |
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Same here Kathy.
City of Wimberley depends on ground water from a well also. Its stored on that big blue water tower off Wayside Drive. Further down the street, just outside Wimberley city limits on the left-hand side, a local septic company dumps the "blue water" from the portable toilets on his own land. -- Jonny "Kathleen" wrote in message ... That is really scary. I drink well water. Grrrrr! With hope and heart, Kathleen -- This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practise ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people. ~ C.S.Lewis "Jonny" wrote in message k.net... Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny |
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I had no idea that was a water tower!
I spent Wednesday (with my kiddo) at John Knox ranch. They talked about the 'cedar' trees, and how they suck up so much water. They had a contraption made by UT students where they poured water in the top and it "rained" over 4 different bins. One was filled with native grasses (which prevent erosion and make the ground more porous), one had a cedar tree and represented "over pastured land", one had "impervious ground cover" (asphalt, concrete) and the last one had native xeriscape. Then there was an outlet for the water from the bottom of the bin and one at the top for "runoff". It was fascinating! These demonstrations I've been seeing the past few years are turning me into a tree hugger! That is *REALLY* scary. ::wink:: Isn't dumping "blue water" illegal? I know someone got in trouble for dumping septic stuff behind our land years ago, long before it was ours. With hope and heart, Kathleen -- This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practice ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people. ~ C.S.Lewis Same here Kathy. City of Wimberley depends on ground water from a well also. Its stored on that big blue water tower off Wayside Drive. Further down the street, just outside Wimberley city limits on the left-hand side, a local septic company dumps the "blue water" from the portable toilets on his own land. -- Jonny That is really scary. I drink well water. Grrrrr! With hope and heart, Kathleen -- This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practise ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people. ~ C.S.Lewis "Jonny" wrote in message k.net... Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny |
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"Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman" wrote in message ... Jonny wrote: Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny Jonny, Before we go reporting this guy to "someone" it would be advisable to do a search to see what the bleach will do to the environment. I'm not saying that he hasn't already done so and knows what he is doing, but maybe he does know what he is doing. Mind you, I am not an environmentalist wacko, even though I have gone organic in my vegetable patch at home, the yard and flower beds. On the other hand, at times the organic way does not work and one has to turn to other means of fixin' things, and that does not mean that I have no concern or care for the environment. There is ALWAYS a happy medium to all problems, and maybe, just maybe that is what this guy found. Let's not jump to conclusions and go to the extremes. Ray South Austin === Okay. Chlorine tablets can be backflushed into a well. This is known as "shocking the well". Normally done if the well has developed bacterial health hazards in the well pocket. Here's similar using sodium hypochlorate (household bleach) when abandoning and sealing off a well. http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/2000/ic000114.html http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p1994.htm Scroll down to the "Should I drink tap water header": http://www.sportsdoctor.com/chg/environment.html Household chlorine bleach is classified as hazardous waste. At least this site says so: http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/programs/ext...m/he368_3.html The manufacturers of the household bleach product are not required to disclose its contents, only some hazards. Some "green" cleaning products: http://www.gaiam.com/retail/gai_cont...article_id=513 One bleach use myth discounted: http://www.moldinspector.com/bleach-...ctive-mold.htm Same here, but specifies why its ineffective. http://www.bleach-mold-myth.com/ IE porous material passes the water, but not the bleach. Wonder what happens out in the wild with same material under similar conditions? For instance dumping over groundcover whose basis is limestone rock beneath it. -- Jonny |
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Even the "tree huggers" and environmentalists have trouble with identifying
this tree in Texas. There's no native cedar trees in Texas. These are Junipers. They were brought to the hill country by accident. Similar to the mesquite tree in its introduction to the state of Texas. If you can find some old photographs of the area, you will find that no tree grew here a hundred or more years ago. It was the Junipers that broke up the native rock so further foliage could follow. These trees use alot of water and contain it. Its needed both for both using root hydraulic pressure to breakup the rocky area, and to tide it over during dry periods. Its not an "evil tree", just thirsty so it can do the job its done so well for over a century. There are few things I don't like about Junipers. One is their root system will find and attack any leaky plumbing, for instance your waste drain pipe. Another, is they tend to choke out oak trees that may take root around it. Not sure how he's getting away with dumping of "bluewater", maybe its treated further. Dunno. I know he keeps his waste trucks there overnight. His house is right across the street. -- Jonny "Kathleen" wrote in message ... I had no idea that was a water tower! I spent Wednesday (with my kiddo) at John Knox ranch. They talked about the 'cedar' trees, and how they suck up so much water. They had a contraption made by UT students where they poured water in the top and it "rained" over 4 different bins. One was filled with native grasses (which prevent erosion and make the ground more porous), one had a cedar tree and represented "over pastured land", one had "impervious ground cover" (asphalt, concrete) and the last one had native xeriscape. Then there was an outlet for the water from the bottom of the bin and one at the top for "runoff". It was fascinating! These demonstrations I've been seeing the past few years are turning me into a tree hugger! That is *REALLY* scary. ::wink:: Isn't dumping "blue water" illegal? I know someone got in trouble for dumping septic stuff behind our land years ago, long before it was ours. With hope and heart, Kathleen -- This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practice ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people. ~ C.S.Lewis Same here Kathy. City of Wimberley depends on ground water from a well also. Its stored on that big blue water tower off Wayside Drive. Further down the street, just outside Wimberley city limits on the left-hand side, a local septic company dumps the "blue water" from the portable toilets on his own land. -- Jonny That is really scary. I drink well water. Grrrrr! With hope and heart, Kathleen -- This year, or this month, or, more likely, this very day, we have failed to practise ourselves the kind of behaviour we expect from other people. ~ C.S.Lewis "Jonny" wrote in message k.net... Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny |
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Kathleen wrote:
These demonstrations I've been seeing the past few years are turning me into a tree hugger! That is *REALLY* scary. ::wink:: I saw a similar demonstration at the Selah Bamberger ranch years ago. When J. David bought this ranch, he had asked his realtor to find him "the worse piece of land" in the hill country. It was infested with cedar (junipers) and dry as a bone. He started clearing the cedar and allow the native grasses to return. After a few years, springs that had been dry for decades started coming back. It is now a gorgeous piece of property that serves as a teaching tool. I highly recommend a trip. http://www.bambergerranch.org/ -- Victor M. Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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"Jonny" wrote in message nk.net... "Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman" wrote in message ... Jonny wrote: Frequent the local dollar store here in Wimberley. The store has cases and cases of household bleach stacked inside the store. Noticed a few folks were buying the bleach by the case (6 gallon containers in a case). Curious, I asked one person why so much bleach. He said he is using to pour undiluted in standing water areas on his land. Made me curious. What is this doing to: -the water table -local flora -animals and insects that drink this bleach water -long term affects ??? -- Jonny Jonny, Before we go reporting this guy to "someone" it would be advisable to do a search to see what the bleach will do to the environment. I'm not saying that he hasn't already done so and knows what he is doing, but maybe he does know what he is doing. Mind you, I am not an environmentalist wacko, even though I have gone organic in my vegetable patch at home, the yard and flower beds. On the other hand, at times the organic way does not work and one has to turn to other means of fixin' things, and that does not mean that I have no concern or care for the environment. There is ALWAYS a happy medium to all problems, and maybe, just maybe that is what this guy found. Let's not jump to conclusions and go to the extremes. Ray South Austin === Okay. Chlorine tablets can be backflushed into a well. This is known as "shocking the well". Normally done if the well has developed bacterial health hazards in the well pocket. Here's similar using sodium hypochlorate (household bleach) when abandoning and sealing off a well. http://www.lib.niu.edu/ipo/2000/ic000114.html http://msucares.com/pubs/publications/p1994.htm Scroll down to the "Should I drink tap water header": http://www.sportsdoctor.com/chg/environment.html Household chlorine bleach is classified as hazardous waste. At least this site says so: http://www.bae.ncsu.edu/programs/ext...m/he368_3.html The manufacturers of the household bleach product are not required to disclose its contents, only some hazards. Some "green" cleaning products: http://www.gaiam.com/retail/gai_cont...article_id=513 One bleach use myth discounted: http://www.moldinspector.com/bleach-...ctive-mold.htm The author of that should include on the web page, "The Toxic Black Mold Myth." Same here, but specifies why its ineffective. http://www.bleach-mold-myth.com/ IE porous material passes the water, but not the bleach. Wonder what happens out in the wild with same material under similar conditions? For instance dumping over groundcover whose basis is limestone rock beneath it. -- Jonny |
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I'm not an environmentalist wacko either, thanks, but IMO it's pretty safe
to say that dumping poison on the ground would be a *bad thing.* Probably the guy is trying to kill mosquito larvae. Isn't it sad to kill whatever else that lives there too..... Cindy ___________________________ Jonny, Before we go reporting this guy to "someone" it would be advisable to do a search to see what the bleach will do to the environment. I'm not saying that he hasn't already done so and knows what he is doing, but maybe he does know what he is doing. Mind you, I am not an environmentalist wacko, even though I have gone organic in my vegetable patch at home, the yard and flower beds. On the other hand, at times the organic way does not work and one has to turn to other means of fixin' things, and that does not mean that I have no concern or care for the environment. There is ALWAYS a happy medium to all problems, and maybe, just maybe that is what this guy found. Let's not jump to conclusions and go to the extremes. Ray South Austin |
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What's even sadder is standing water doesn't stand that long in the hill
country. Except artificially created ponds by blocking runoff, and water troughs for the animals. -- Jonny "Cindy" wrote in message om... I'm not an environmentalist wacko either, thanks, but IMO it's pretty safe to say that dumping poison on the ground would be a *bad thing.* Probably the guy is trying to kill mosquito larvae. Isn't it sad to kill whatever else that lives there too..... Cindy ___________________________ Jonny, Before we go reporting this guy to "someone" it would be advisable to do a search to see what the bleach will do to the environment. I'm not saying that he hasn't already done so and knows what he is doing, but maybe he does know what he is doing. Mind you, I am not an environmentalist wacko, even though I have gone organic in my vegetable patch at home, the yard and flower beds. On the other hand, at times the organic way does not work and one has to turn to other means of fixin' things, and that does not mean that I have no concern or care for the environment. There is ALWAYS a happy medium to all problems, and maybe, just maybe that is what this guy found. Let's not jump to conclusions and go to the extremes. Ray South Austin |
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