Janet,
I have been lurking here for a few weeks but have not posted before. This
newsgroup seems to have its fair share of trolls and troublemakers, and I
can understand that you have to deal with them firmly.
I have to say though that you seem to have been very unfair to Spider in the
'gates' thread. From what I can see she has not joined in any of the
trolling, and I have learned several things from her helpful replies to
people in this group.
In this particular thread she made what seems to be an honest mistake, and
when you pointed this out she admitted it and apologised, even offering to
leave the group.
To apologise is a decent and honorable thing, but you seem to have turned it
onto a crime. What more could she do? If you had responded to me like that I
would be very offended.
There is a lot of interesting discussion on this group, but I will not be
taking part now because it is likely that at some time I might make a
similar mistake and I do not want to be treated in the same way.
I expect you will tell me to mind my own business, but I wanted Spider to
know that at least one person understands how she feels!

Marilyn


from "Spider" contains these words:

If you think I am a troll, you must say
so and I will leave the group. (snip) I would be grateful for
your response so that I may quit the group or continue within in it.

First, you misinform a newbie. Then you claim innocent ignorance of
this group's well publicised views on advertising. Then you feign
ignorance of a longterm well-publicised troll agenda to do exactly that.
Then you pretend that I control your presence on this group; which is
another lie on the troll agenda here, and demand a reply, which is
another troll habit.

You're tying a noose round your own neck....just like Puce and Crowe.

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:36:08 -0000, "Marilyn"
wrote:

Janet,

snip

There is a lot of interesting discussion on this group, but I will not be
taking part now because it is likely that at some time I might make a
similar mistake and I do not want to be treated in the same way.

snip

Marilyn


Marilyn

Don't not post simply because you find something disagreeable, these
events are inevitable from time to time in an open forum and happen in
every newsgoup.

Listen to and contribute with those people you find helpful and
ignore those you find disagreeable and provocative. Some individuals
seem to get their entertainment from provoking disagreement but you
will soon recognize them.

Happy posting Andy

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:36:08 -0000, "Marilyn"
wrote:

Janet,
I have been lurking here for a few weeks but have not posted before. This
newsgroup seems to have its fair share of trolls and troublemakers, and I
can understand that you have to deal with them firmly.
I have to say though that you seem to have been very unfair to Spider in the
'gates' thread. From what I can see she has not joined in any of the
trolling, and I have learned several things from her helpful replies to
people in this group.
In this particular thread she made what seems to be an honest mistake, and
when you pointed this out she admitted it and apologised, even offering to
leave the group.
To apologise is a decent and honorable thing, but you seem to have turned it
onto a crime. What more could she do? If you had responded to me like that I
would be very offended.
There is a lot of interesting discussion on this group, but I will not be
taking part now because it is likely that at some time I might make a
similar mistake and I do not want to be treated in the same way.
I expect you will tell me to mind my own business, but I wanted Spider to
know that at least one person understands how she feels!

Marilyn

How strange...

I stopped browsing this group some time ago when I got heartily sick
and tired of the infighting and bickering. It was rather like opening
a gardening book and finding someone had stuck pages from a TV soap
script inside.

Just lately I had cause to refer to my archives from this group and I
noted just how many knowledgeable and courteous posters had slowly,
quietly drifted away.
But this being the season of goodwill ( and all that kind of thing )
I thought I'd drop by and see whether the group had rediscovered the
kind of atmosphere one used you get whenever Geoff Hamilton used to
pop up on the TV with the latest edition of Gardener's World.

And what do I find?
If anything it looks like things have deteriorated even further.

Ah well, best of luck etc. - maybe next year...

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:59 +0000, Stephen Howard
wrote:


I stopped browsing this group some time ago when I got heartily sick
and tired of the infighting and bickering. It was rather like opening
a gardening book and finding someone had stuck pages from a TV soap
script inside.

Just lately I had cause to refer to my archives from this group and I
noted just how many knowledgeable and courteous posters had slowly,
quietly drifted away.
But this being the season of goodwill ( and all that kind of thing )
I thought I'd drop by and see whether the group had rediscovered the
kind of atmosphere one used you get whenever Geoff Hamilton used to
pop up on the TV with the latest edition of Gardener's World.

And what do I find?
If anything it looks like things have deteriorated even further.

You should be aware that in some people's opinion Sacha poisons every
newsgroup she ever joined.

Look at uk.gossip.royalty for example where she's been substantially
driven out. Read the archives on Google, not a pretty sight.

No-one creates dissent like the self-created Queen of newsnet. Not a
nice person, and a constant spammer.



--
Oliver

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:59 +0000, Stephen Howard
wrote:
[...]
And what do I find?
If anything it looks like things have deteriorated even further.

Well, I don't know about your newsreader, but the majority of the urg
messages mine sends me are about gardening, and very informatiove
they can be, too.

You should be aware that in some people's opinion Sacha poisons
every
newsgroup she ever joined.

Look at uk.gossip.royalty for example where she's been
substantially
driven out. Read the archives on Google, not a pretty sight.

No-one creates dissent like the self-created Queen of newsnet.
Not a
nice person, and a constant spammer.

That's unfair. I don't imagine she and I would agree about everything
in life (why on earth should we?), but, like all the regulars here,
Sacha posts almost always about gardening topics. If there's anybody
who's guilty of going off topic regularly, it's probably me; but I
don't think even I stray for very long.

--
Mike.

Please don't let the arguing put you off. There are still some knowledgable
posters here and as with all newsgrups you soon learn who to respect and who
to ignore.

Neil.


"Marilyn" wrote in message
...
Janet,
I have been lurking here for a few weeks but have not posted before. This
newsgroup seems to have its fair share of trolls and troublemakers, and I
can understand that you have to deal with them firmly.
I have to say though that you seem to have been very unfair to Spider in
the 'gates' thread. From what I can see she has not joined in any of the
trolling, and I have learned several things from her helpful replies to
people in this group.
In this particular thread she made what seems to be an honest mistake, and
when you pointed this out she admitted it and apologised, even offering to
leave the group.
To apologise is a decent and honorable thing, but you seem to have turned
it onto a crime. What more could she do? If you had responded to me like
that I would be very offended.
There is a lot of interesting discussion on this group, but I will not be
taking part now because it is likely that at some time I might make a
similar mistake and I do not want to be treated in the same way.
I expect you will tell me to mind my own business, but I wanted Spider to
know that at least one person understands how she feels!

Marilyn


from "Spider" contains these words:

If you think I am a troll, you must say
so and I will leave the group. (snip) I would be grateful for
your response so that I may quit the group or continue within in it.

First, you misinform a newbie. Then you claim innocent ignorance of
this group's well publicised views on advertising. Then you feign
ignorance of a longterm well-publicised troll agenda to do exactly that.
Then you pretend that I control your presence on this group; which is
another lie on the troll agenda here, and demand a reply, which is
another troll habit.

You're tying a noose round your own neck....just like Puce and Crowe.

On 15/12/05 20:29, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:59 +0000, Stephen Howard
wrote:
[...]
And what do I find?
If anything it looks like things have deteriorated even further.

Well, I don't know about your newsreader, but the majority of the urg
messages mine sends me are about gardening, and very informatiove
they can be, too.

You should be aware that in some people's opinion Sacha poisons
every
newsgroup she ever joined.

Look at uk.gossip.royalty for example where she's been
substantially
driven out. Read the archives on Google, not a pretty sight.

No-one creates dissent like the self-created Queen of newsnet.
Not a
nice person, and a constant spammer.

That's unfair. I don't imagine she and I would agree about everything
in life (why on earth should we?), but, like all the regulars here,
Sacha posts almost always about gardening topics. If there's anybody
who's guilty of going off topic regularly, it's probably me; but I
don't think even I stray for very long.

I don't think it's too hard to guess the real ID of that poster. Not worth
your time, frankly.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

The message k
from Sacha contains these words:
On 15/12/05 20:29, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 18:34:59 +0000, Stephen Howard
wrote:
[...]
And what do I find?
If anything it looks like things have deteriorated even further.

Well, I don't know about your newsreader, but the majority of the urg
messages mine sends me are about gardening, and very informatiove
they can be, too.

You should be aware that in some people's opinion Sacha poisons
every
newsgroup she ever joined.

Look at uk.gossip.royalty for example where she's been
substantially
driven out. Read the archives on Google, not a pretty sight.

No-one creates dissent like the self-created Queen of newsnet.
Not a
nice person, and a constant spammer.

That's unfair. I don't imagine she and I would agree about everything
in life (why on earth should we?), but, like all the regulars here,
Sacha posts almost always about gardening topics. If there's anybody
who's guilty of going off topic regularly, it's probably me; but I
don't think even I stray for very long.

I don't think it's too hard to guess the real ID of that poster. Not worth
your time, frankly.

(Unsnipped so comparisons may be made)

As soon as i read that I recognised the 'style'.

Sock-puppet if ever I saw one.

--
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

Sock-puppet if ever I saw one.

--
Rusty

Rusty as a matter of interest, I have seen that expression used quite a bit
on another newsgroup where there is a court case on. Excuse my ignorance,
but what is a 'sock-puppet'?

Mike

--
..
"Mike" wrote in message
...

Sock-puppet if ever I saw one.

--
Rusty

Rusty as a matter of interest, I have seen that expression used quite a
bit
on another newsgroup where there is a court case on. Excuse my ignorance,
but what is a 'sock-puppet'?

Mike



OK Rusty, I Googled :-))

"An Internet sock puppet is an additional account created by an existing
member of an Internet community. This account allows them to pose as a
completely different user."

More fool them with too much money to throw away :-))

Mike
Who only posts as Mike just in case anyone has any funny ideas :-))

Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
(Unsnipped so comparisons may be made)
As soon as i read that I recognised the 'style'.
Sock-puppet if ever I saw one.

Ha! I know what you mean now )

But I don't know who you mean and I really really don't want to know
either.

Have you seen the guy on another thread with a fungi query? I thought
of you but couldn't find you. In which shed where you tinkering around
in g

--
..
"La puce" wrote in message
oups.com...

Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
(Unsnipped so comparisons may be made)
As soon as i read that I recognised the 'style'.
Sock-puppet if ever I saw one.

Ha! I know what you mean now )

But I don't know who you mean and I really really don't want to know
either.


I have a feeling that it was Her Ladyship taking a swipe at me. I maybe
wrong, not often but it has been known. However if you look at the timings
of the person that was telling Her Ladyship a few home truths, it was at a
time that I was at a Lodge meeting :-)) I left home at 4.0pm and returned
at about 10.30pm :-))

Mike
Who as I said, doesn't knowingly tell lies and certainly doesn't post as
anything else :-))

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year :-))

In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REM
OVETHISyahoo.co.uk writes

That's unfair. I don't imagine she and I would agree about everything
in life (why on earth should we?), but, like all the regulars here,
Sacha posts almost always about gardening topics. If there's anybody
who's guilty of going off topic regularly, it's probably me; but I
don't think even I stray for very long.


Yes, it is unfair to attack Sacha in this manner and Mike is quite right
to point out that we don't always have to agree on everything with all
posters. However, look at the well informed advice you get from Sacha;
I, for one, would be considerably worse off without it. Isn't it time,
that some posters realise that disagreements often break out between
gardening neighbours - this is not abnormal and is all part of life.
It's time to leave Sacha alone, I tired and bored by ignorant put downs
entwined in sarcasm; it is not amusing or clever, my 12 year old
grandson would not resort to such stupid behaviour.

Rock on Sacha
--
Judith Lea

In message , Judith Lea
writes
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REM
OVETHISyahoo.co.uk writes

That's unfair. I don't imagine she and I would agree about everything
in life (why on earth should we?), but, like all the regulars here,
Sacha posts almost always about gardening topics. If there's anybody
who's guilty of going off topic regularly, it's probably me; but I
don't think even I stray for very long.


Yes, it is unfair to attack Sacha in this manner and Mike is quite right
to point out that we don't always have to agree on everything with all
posters. However, look at the well informed advice you get from Sacha;
I, for one, would be considerably worse off without it. Isn't it time,
that some posters realise that disagreements often break out between
gardening neighbours - this is not abnormal and is all part of life.
It's time to leave Sacha alone, I tired and bored by ignorant put downs
entwined in sarcasm; it is not amusing or clever, my 12 year old
grandson would not resort to such stupid behaviour.

Rock on Sacha
I haven't been following this thread but saw your name Judith and read
your post. I hope no-one thinks it's me. I know Sacha and I don't get
on and I avoid her but I wouldn't start a campaign of attack.

Isn't there a way of telling the identity of a poster? Someone once
told us how to do it (perhaps you remember the long-ago days on
demon-newuser?) but I couldn't do it now. Perhaps someone here will
enlighten us.
--
June Hughes

In article , June Hughes
writes
I haven't been following this thread but saw your name Judith and read
your post. I hope no-one thinks it's me. I know Sacha and I don't get
on and I avoid her but I wouldn't start a campaign of attack.

Sacha knows who is attacking her.
--
Judith Lea