"La Puce" wrote in message
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Sue wrote:

The thing is do we want to make our posts intelligible to the maximum
number or readers or not?

Err .. yes Miss.

Without quotes you have to go hunting for context if, like many do, you
read several high-traffic groups and therefore only browse through the
new
replies. For my part I usually have the 'hide read messages' view
selected
to make things manageable, otherwise I'm scrolling down through pages of
already read stuff and would miss things. You can't always remember the
context and won't always bother to change views to check.

Ok. It's indeed a good way of going about responding to post. However,
and please don't get mad at me, I don't understand why you hide your
'read messages' viewer when it precisely let you know what you've read
or not. Why do you scroll through pages and pages of already read stuff
and don't just go to the highlighted ones you haven't read? This thread
is minute compared to some others. What do you use?

She is using Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
She uses common sense and hides read messages.

"Rupert" wrote
"La Puce" wrote
Sue wrote:
snip
For my part I usually have the 'hide read messages' view selected to
make things manageable, otherwise I'm scrolling down through pages of
already read stuff and would miss things. You can't always remember the
context and won't always bother to change views to check.

Ok. It's indeed a good way of going about responding to post. However,
and please don't get mad at me, I don't understand why you hide your
'read messages' viewer when it precisely let you know what you've read
or not. Why do you scroll through pages and pages of already read stuff
and don't just go to the highlighted ones you haven't read? This thread
is minute compared to some others. What do you use?

She is using Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
She uses common sense and hides read messages.

Wot 'e said.

I don't know about other newsreaders but with OE it seems to me much less
unwieldy to have only unread posts in view, especially if subbed to several
large groups. This group's a bit quieter at the moment (altho' it can be
very busy at other times of year) but in others there can be literally
hundreds of new posts a day to wade through. Yes new ones are highlighted
but it's much simpler to have all previously read stuff hidden to be able
to quickly see which threads have been added to and which, if any, to skip,
who's posted and whether I've had a response to anything of my own etc.

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Sue

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"Rupert" wrote
"La Puce" wrote
Sue wrote:
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For my part I usually have the 'hide read messages' view selected to
make things manageable, otherwise I'm scrolling down through pages of
already read stuff and would miss things. You can't always remember the
context and won't always bother to change views to check.

Ok. It's indeed a good way of going about responding to post. However,
and please don't get mad at me, I don't understand why you hide your
'read messages' viewer when it precisely let you know what you've read
or not. Why do you scroll through pages and pages of already read stuff
and don't just go to the highlighted ones you haven't read? This thread
is minute compared to some others. What do you use?

She is using Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
She uses common sense and hides read messages.

Wot 'e said.

I don't know about other newsreaders but with OE it seems to me much less
unwieldy to have only unread posts in view, especially if subbed to several
large groups. This group's a bit quieter at the moment (altho' it can be
very busy at other times of year) but in others there can be literally
hundreds of new posts a day to wade through. Yes new ones are highlighted
but it's much simpler to have all previously read stuff hidden to be able
to quickly see which threads have been added to and which, if any, to skip,
who's posted and whether I've had a response to anything of my own etc.


I wish I knew what all you lot were going on about!

In my newsreader I have a column on the left with all subscribed-to
newsgroups. A star against an entry indicates unread message(s) there.
Highlight it and in the middle column is shown the subjects in the
highlighted group. If any of these is starred, there are unread messages
there. The right-hand column shows the authors, and a star against any
of these indicates 'unread'.

Double-clicking on any item opens it. If you reply, the item window
remains open, but usually underneath the reply.

To look at what has gone before, either there must be quoted text in the
newsitem, or the reply window must be minimised or placed beneath the
newsitem, and one, or a series of them opened until the context is
found.

Janet uses the same system.

When there is no context quoted in a reply, it makes it unworthwhile
reading most of them, because it is seldom apparant what the poster is
talking about, especially if, as I do, one subscribes to a lot of
newsgroups, and the thread is a bit elderly.

We have memory problems, some of us, you know. Is it time for my
Horlicks, Nurse?

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:

I wish I knew what all you lot were going on about!

LOL!! Priceless!!

In my newsreader I have a column on the left with all subscribed-to
newsgroups. A star against an entry indicates unread message(s) there.
Highlight it and in the middle column is shown the subjects in the
highlighted group. If any of these is starred, there are unread messages
there. The right-hand column shows the authors, and a star against any
of these indicates 'unread'.
Double-clicking on any item opens it. If you reply, the item window
remains open, but usually underneath the reply.
To look at what has gone before, either there must be quoted text in the
newsitem, or the reply window must be minimised or placed beneath the
newsitem, and one, or a series of them opened until the context is
found.
Janet uses the same system.

Yes, so do I. But Outlook Express doesn't do that. Sadly it is not
really meant for chatty chappies like us but for straight simple emails
I'm afarid. On OE you do get the tittle of the subject/thread and the
poster's name but if no quote from previous post you cannot tell to
whom or to what it is in responce of. A responce from Kathryn as it
was, was like a little cry in the deepest night from somewhere far away
....

(snip)

We have memory problems, some of us, you know. Is it time for my
Horlicks, Nurse?

I'll bring it with some home made biscuits and I'll throw in a feet
massage for free if you're not careful!! Got your jiffy package today.
You're a lovely fellow indeed )

"La Puce" wrote
Yes, so do I. But Outlook Express doesn't do that. Sadly it is not
really meant for chatty chappies like us but for straight simple emails
I'm afarid. On OE you do get the tittle of the subject/thread and the
poster's name but if no quote from previous post you cannot tell to
whom or to what it is in responce of.

I'm sorry but that's just not true. OE is a perfectly usable and functional
newsreader which shows ng threads properly threaded. I've used it for
years. It has the odd foible as with any progam and they can be dealt with.
AFAICS most people who whinge about it either didn't set it up properly, or
can't be bothered to format a post legibly in the first place whatever
software they use!

A responce from Kathryn as it was, was like a little cry in the deepest
night from somewhere far away

It could have been yes, but because the reasons already given, and not a
fault of OE.

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Sue

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In my newsreader I have a column on the left with all subscribed-to
newsgroups. A star against an entry indicates unread message(s) there.
Highlight it and in the middle column is shown the subjects in the
highlighted group. If any of these is starred, there are unread messages
there. The right-hand column shows the authors, and a star against any
of these indicates 'unread'.
Double-clicking on any item opens it. If you reply, the item window
remains open, but usually underneath the reply.
To look at what has gone before, either there must be quoted text in the
newsitem, or the reply window must be minimised or placed beneath the
newsitem, and one, or a series of them opened until the context is
found.
Janet uses the same system.

Yes, so do I. But Outlook Express doesn't do that. Sadly it is not
really meant for chatty chappies like us but for straight simple emails
I'm afarid. On OE you do get the tittle of the subject/thread and the
poster's name but if no quote from previous post you cannot tell to
whom or to what it is in responce of. A responce from Kathryn as it
was, was like a little cry in the deepest night from somewhere far away

Can't you highlught what you want to quote, then hit 'reply'?

(snip)

We have memory problems, some of us, you know. Is it time for my
Horlicks, Nurse?

I'll bring it with some home made biscuits

Hmmm. My favourites, home-made biccies! Matron makes lovely charcoal
bikkies: you can tell when they're done because the fire brigade comes
to try them out.

and I'll throw in a feet
massage for free if you're not careful!!

Nurse uses a rolling pin, you know.

Got your jiffy package today.
You're a lovely fellow indeed )


Oh good. That was quick - we only have one post, and it leaves about 5 pm.

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
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[...]
Yes, so do I. But Outlook Express doesn't do that. Sadly it is not
really meant for chatty chappies like us but for straight simple
emails I'm afarid. On OE you do get the tittle of the
subject/thread
and the poster's name but if no quote from previous post you
cannot
tell to whom or to what it is in responce of. A responce from
Kathryn as it was, was like a little cry in the deepest night from
somewhere far away

Can't you highlught what you want to quote, then hit 'reply'?
[...].

Frayed knot. You have to hit "Reply group", and then, in the window
which appears, highlight and delete extranery. It's ok when you're
used to it, and in any case better than Google Groups, for which you
have to know a secret they don't tell you, for their own mysterious
Googular reasons. (You don't hit "Reply" in GG, or you'll get a blank
window and risk social pariah status. Instead, you have to hit "Show
Options" and then the "Reply" in the heading which appears: that
displays the message you're replying to and allows you to carry out
Christian editing.) GG doesn't even store your signature for repeated
use, as in

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Mike.

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Can't you highlught what you want to quote, then hit 'reply'?
[...].

Frayed knot. You have to hit "Reply group", and then, in the window
which appears, highlight and delete extranery. It's ok when you're
used to it, and in any case better than Google Groups, for which you
have to know a secret they don't tell you, for their own mysterious
Googular reasons. (You don't hit "Reply" in GG, or you'll get a blank
window and risk social pariah status. Instead, you have to hit "Show
Options" and then the "Reply" in the heading which appears: that
displays the message you're replying to and allows you to carry out
Christian editing.) GG doesn't even store your signature for repeated
use, as in


And this is progress?

The ZIMACS way has been a feature for more than ten years.

(Since more than ten years, Mme la Puce!)

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:


In my newsreader (snip)
Janet uses the same system.

That's correct. Rusty and I use the same newsreader.

Yes, so do I.

No, you do not.

Janet

Janet Baraclough wrote:

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
In my newsreader (snip)
Janet uses the same system.

That's correct. Rusty and I use the same newsreader.

Yes, so do I.

No, you do not.

Yes I do. As I mentioned earlier, I use it at work, for a local forum
but not gardening ones. I don't mix business with pleasure. Yet.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:26:34 -0000
Local: Wed, Jan 11 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: not quite a gardening question !
"La Puce" wrote
I use it at work but not for my forums to the exception of one local
Manchester group. I understand now indeed.

"La Puce" wrote
Janet Baraclough wrote:

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:
In my newsreader (snip)
Janet uses the same system.

That's correct. Rusty and I use the same newsreader.

Yes, so do I.

No, you do not.

Yes I do. As I mentioned earlier, I use it at work, for a local forum
but not gardening ones. snip

Nope! You were referring to OE which *I* use. Janet and Rusty, as they have
said, use a different one - their ISP's own newsreader.

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Sue

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Janet Baraclough wrote:
The message . com
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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:

In my newsreader (snip)
Janet uses the same system.

That's correct. Rusty and I use the same newsreader.

Yes, so do I.

No, you do not.

Yes I do. As I mentioned earlier, I use it at work, for a local forum
but not gardening ones. I don't mix business with pleasure. Yet.

Janet's injecting a little Panto.

We both use ZIMACS, the best newsreader in the World.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:26:34 -0000
Local: Wed, Jan 11 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: not quite a gardening question !
"La Puce" wrote
I use it at work but not for my forums to the exception of one local
Manchester group. I understand now indeed.

HTH

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Rusty Hinge 2 wrote:

In my newsreader (snip)
Janet uses the same system.

That's correct. Rusty and I use the same newsreader.

Yes, so do I.

No, you do not.

Oh yes she doesn't!

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In article , Janet Baraclough
writes
That's correct. Rusty and I use the same newsreader.

Yes, so do I.

No, you do not.

Janet
Janet, oh Janet, I am in trouble with my newsreader at home. On this
(personal) computer I use Turnpike, obviously I cannot use my third
other computer for newsgroups as it is an NHS one and cannot download
newsgroups. So not to confuse you any further, at home I go into Google
to read the n.g.

I cannot tell which posts I have read on Google and I cannot reply as is
asks me to register - and when I do, I can't click on the link and
then....and so on...........

Sacha was kind enough to email me to try and help and through her at
least I can read on Google otherwise I wouldn't have even known that.

What is the purpose of this ramble, oh yes., does anyone have a copy of
Turnpike I can use at home. I subscribe to Demon and they gave Turnpike
away initially but I don't know where to get one now.

On another note, I have got elephants in my attics - that's what it
sounds like, though I suspect they have long tails and therefore I shall
have to get the vermin man in again.
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Judith Lea

Judith Lea wrote:
On another note, I have got elephants in my attics - that's what it
sounds like, though I suspect they have long tails and therefore I shall
have to get the vermin man in again.

That's your escuse. The vermin man indeed ... Naughty Judith ;o)