Hi everyone,

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by 5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a shop.

Any help much appreciated.

kind regards,
Richard

smileygonzo1961 wrote:
Hi everyone,

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by
5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I
can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no
experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

Any help much appreciated.

kind regards,
Richard


Recently I built a pond, and lined it with a non butyl liner. It had a
10 year guarantee, it started to leak after 2 weeks. The leak was very
slow and I could not find the location, even using the milk trick. The
guarantee seems pretty useless, as proving it it due to failure of the
liner and not physical damage would be very difficult. Anyway I have
replaced it with a butyl liner, which seemed much better quality also is
easier to lay neatly. If ever I do another pond I would not hesitate to
use butyl, as for source I got mine from Swell on the internet. Your
best bet is to search and select according to your parameters.

"smileygonzo1961" wrote in
message ...

Hi everyone,

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by
5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I
can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no
experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

Any help much appreciated.

kind regards,
Richard


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smileygonzo1961
Please don't be fooled by claims which say as "good as or better than Butyl"
go for the real thing and don't skimp on the size its better to cut of
excess than not be able to finish it properly so you cant see the edge. You
can usual find plenty of old carpet at the local tip to line the hole to
prevent punctures.
plenty of good info usual comes with liners as to how to install but I never
use a spirit level as I find flexible clear plastic tubing (for aquariums)
filled with water and food dye gives a more accurate result.
I have just finished a pond this winter and am still waiting for the weather
to warm up so I can plant up
see www.roselandhouse.co.uk/pond/pond.htm

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

Richard wrote on URG via Gardenbanter

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by
5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I
can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no
experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

Butyl is the best quality liner and some had 50 year guarantees originally.
Go to Mandrake Marketing's Ebay shop, start at page 36 and work back until
you find the size you want, I doubt you will find it cheaper elsewhere. Go
for the 1mm thick if there is a choice.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/MANDRAKE-MA...QQpZ36QQ tZkm
The next best is EPDM.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK

"Broadback" wrote in message
...

... I have replaced it with a butyl liner, which seemed much better
quality also is easier to lay neatly. If ever I do another pond I would
not hesitate to use butyl, as for source I got mine from Swell on the
internet. Your best bet is to search and select according to your
parameters.

Agreed. Butyl is without doubt the best buy for longevity.

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

In message , smileygonzo1961
writes

Hi everyone,

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by
5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I
can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no
experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

A
Have just checked ours and it is Butyl. V heavy but works. (5 yrs so
far but I expect a lot more).

--
June Hughes

Butyl is definitley best If you get in the pond wearing waders, make
sure there are no pebbles in the tread of the soles and try to keep the
liner covered with water because it is the liner that is exposed to
sunlight which will deteriorate quickest.
Tony Bull www.caterpillarfountain.co.uk
smileygonzo1961 wrote:
Hi everyone,

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by
5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I
can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no
experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

Any help much appreciated.

kind regards,
Richard


--
smileygonzo1961

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:07:25 +0000, smileygonzo1961
wrote:


Hi everyone,

I am looking to replace my pond liner which is about 11ft by 11ft by
5ft deep, and I have no idea what to do. Having checked the Internet I
can see lots of types of liners e.g. PVC, Butyl etc but as I have no
experience whatsoever I am not sure what I need....

I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

Any help much appreciated.

kind regards,
Richard

I'm planning to dig a pond this year, and butyl will be my choice.
Remember that you need a piece (width + twice depth + a bit for edges)
wide, and (length + twice depth + a bit for edges) long, which in your
case is probably about 7 metres square (but don't take my word for
it!), and which will weigh getting on for 50 kg if you get the 1mm
thick grade (i.e. about 1kg/sq.m).


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

wrote:
Butyl is definitley best If you get in the pond wearing waders, make
sure there are no pebbles in the tread of the soles and try to keep
the liner covered with water because it is the liner that is exposed
to sunlight which will deteriorate quickest.
Tony Bull www.caterpillarfountain.co.uk

Use an 18" strip of offcut liner around the edges, over the real liner. Any
degredation with affect the offcut then.
--
ßôyþëtë

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:52:48 +0000, June Hughes
wrote:

In message , smileygonzo1961
writes

Hi everyone,
(snip)
I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

A
Have just checked ours and it is Butyl. V heavy but works. (5 yrs so
far but I expect a lot more).

You say the butyl is very heavy, June. We have an unlined pond here
which is a good 20ft by 30ft, full at the moment but we've been told
it dries out over the summer, so we'd like to put a Butyl liner in.
Could two oldish fittish people manhandle something that size or would
it be too heavy?

Joan in Ayrshire

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In message , Joan Riley
writes
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:52:48 +0000, June Hughes
wrote:

In message , smileygonzo1961
writes

Hi everyone,
(snip)
I would like a decent liner with some longevity, can anyone recommend a
good quality pond liner either type of material or manufacturer and also
where is the best place to purchase the liner e.g. on line or at a
shop.

A
Have just checked ours and it is Butyl. V heavy but works. (5 yrs so
far but I expect a lot more).

You say the butyl is very heavy, June. We have an unlined pond here
which is a good 20ft by 30ft, full at the moment but we've been told
it dries out over the summer, so we'd like to put a Butyl liner in.
Could two oldish fittish people manhandle something that size or would
it be too heavy?

I have just been up to our shed, where we have the excess liner from our
pond (I intend - cynical laugh - to put in a second pond at the top of
the garden at some time, using the butyl). It is heavy. 20ft x 30ft is
far bigger than our pond and I cannot imagine what a piece that size
would weigh. Why not visit your local aquatic place and have a look at
the rolls of it there? That should give you some sort of idea.
--
June Hughes

In message , Joan Riley
writes

You say the butyl is very heavy, June. We have an unlined pond here
which is a good 20ft by 30ft, full at the moment but we've been told
it dries out over the summer, so we'd like to put a Butyl liner in.

Don't forget that a butyl liner keeps the pond water away from any
pondside plants so if you've lots of lush growth you'll need to arrange
for its welfare.
Saddest thing I've seen in ages was a newly-lined pond with everything
around it dying in the first dry spell.

--
Sue ]

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 23:42:10 +0000, Joan Riley
wrote:



You say the butyl is very heavy, June. We have an unlined pond here
which is a good 20ft by 30ft, full at the moment but we've been told
it dries out over the summer, so we'd like to put a Butyl liner in.
Could two oldish fittish people manhandle something that size or would
it be too heavy?

Joan in Ayrshire

Is it a good idea to line a natural pond? Presumably it normally fills
in winter by seepage in from the surrounding soil / water table. If
you put in a liner, isn't there a danger that this seepage will lift
the liner and just make a 'pond' underneath it? I'm not suggesting it
would; I have no idea, I'm just asking the question.

Incidentally, assuming your pond is about 3 ft deep, I reckon your
liner would weigh around 90 kg (see my other post in this thread)!


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

Thanks to everyone for all your really great advice!

I purchased a Butyl liner from http://www.water-garden.co.uk/ last week, the size I went for was 7m * 7m, plus an underlay which all came in at £328 which I thought wasn't a bad price.

My uncle and I installed the underlay and liner today in an hour or so, it was heavy and a bit awkward but we just took our time and lined it up.

kind regards,
Richard

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:08:59 +0000, June Hughes
wrote:

In message , Joan Riley
writes
(snip)
You say the butyl is very heavy, June. We have an unlined pond here
which is a good 20ft by 30ft, full at the moment but we've been told
it dries out over the summer, so we'd like to put a Butyl liner in.
Could two oldish fittish people manhandle something that size or would
it be too heavy?

I have just been up to our shed, where we have the excess liner from our
pond (I intend - cynical laugh - to put in a second pond at the top of
the garden at some time, using the butyl). It is heavy. 20ft x 30ft is
far bigger than our pond and I cannot imagine what a piece that size
would weigh. Why not visit your local aquatic place and have a look at
the rolls of it there? That should give you some sort of idea.

Thanks very much for your trouble, June. Being in the wilds of
wildest Ayrshire I don't think there's a 'local' aquatic place but
next time we have a trip out (in our spare time! - forgotten what that
is) ;o} I'll see if we can find one.

Joan in Ayrshire

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