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Seedlings to pots?
Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't
possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. |
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"Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. You get a more a concentrated rootball as the roots are constrained by the walls of each successive container. In addition you're adding fresh compost to the outside providing fresh nutrient to the growing root tips. michael adams |
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"Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. I've wondered this myself Gareth. In the wild seeds just drop to the ground and grow OK without being in pots at all! Jenny |
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JennyC wrote:
"Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. I've wondered this myself Gareth. In the wild seeds just drop to the ground and grow OK without being in pots at all! Jenny The vast majority of them do not, most of them don't germinate at all and of those that do, only a fraction grow into healthy plants and even then, only if the conditions are right. Mimicking nature (which is what we are effectively doing) is more of a struggle because we don't start with an infinite amount of seeds, space or conditions. |
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JennyC writes
"Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. I've wondered this myself Gareth. In the wild seeds just drop to the ground and grow OK without being in pots at all! In the wild, there tends to be other plants around taking up water. In a pot, the soil seems to go a bit stale if you've got just one tiny seedling sitting in the middle taking up water very slowly. Totally non-scientific! Possibly utter rubbish. But it's how it feels. It's a matter of degree. If it's fast-growing, you can put into a lot larger pot than you would, say. a cactus, which may require a whole year to go up half a pot size. -- Kay |
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"K" wrote in message ... JennyC writes "Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. I've wondered this myself Gareth. In the wild seeds just drop to the ground and grow OK without being in pots at all! In the wild, there tends to be other plants around taking up water. In a pot, the soil seems to go a bit stale if you've got just one tiny seedling sitting in the middle taking up water very slowly. Totally non-scientific! Possibly utter rubbish. But it's how it feels. It's a matter of degree. If it's fast-growing, you can put into a lot larger pot than you would, say. a cactus, which may require a whole year to go up half a pot size. -- Kay Personally I think its to stop them all fighting over the best part of the pot; after all you wouldn't want: Roses having a rumble Spuds in a strop Nightshades with knuckle dusters I'll get my coat : { -- *..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- *Jackie* -:¦:- -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´* |
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"K" wrote in message ... JennyC writes "Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. I've wondered this myself Gareth. In the wild seeds just drop to the ground and grow OK without being in pots at all! In the wild, there tends to be other plants around taking up water. In a pot, the soil seems to go a bit stale if you've got just one tiny seedling sitting in the middle taking up water very slowly. Totally non-scientific! Possibly utter rubbish. But it's how it feels. Fuzzy logic Kay - sounds right to me :~)) It's a matter of degree. If it's fast-growing, you can put into a lot larger pot than you would, say. a cactus, which may require a whole year to go up half a pot size. Kay I tend to plant stuff like parsley and basil in large pots where they stay and that seems to work for me. Jenny |
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JennyC wrote: snip I tend to plant stuff like parsley and basil in large pots where they stay and that seems to work for me. But not one parsley or basil seed to a pot, presumably? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk |
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"Sacha" wrote in message oups.com... JennyC wrote: snip I tend to plant stuff like parsley and basil in large pots where they stay and that seems to work for me. But not one parsley or basil seed to a pot, presumably? Sacha No. Seed sprinkled sparingly onto the soil. I then leave them to get on with it :~) Jenny |
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JennyC wrote:
"K" wrote in message ... JennyC writes "Gareth" wrote in message ... Why do I need to plant seedlings to sequentially bigger pots? Why isn't possible to plant a seedling to just 1 pot - the final size required by the adult plant? Gareth. I've wondered this myself Gareth. In the wild seeds just drop to the ground and grow OK without being in pots at all! In the wild, there tends to be other plants around taking up water. In a pot, the soil seems to go a bit stale if you've got just one tiny seedling sitting in the middle taking up water very slowly. Totally non-scientific! Possibly utter rubbish. But it's how it feels. Fuzzy logic Kay - sounds right to me :~)) It's a matter of degree. If it's fast-growing, you can put into a lot larger pot than you would, say. a cactus, which may require a whole year to go up half a pot size. Kay I tend to plant stuff like parsley and basil in large pots where they stay and that seems to work for me. This just isn't fuzzy logic at all, but simple science. A pot isn't like the open ground, where there's a continuous movement of moisture and lots of roots and organisms shlurping away. Every fall of rain entrains oxygen from the atmosphere, and the water keeps moving. To reduce it to absurdity, imagine a little plant trying to grow in a big jar of water. The oxygen supply would be exhausted very quickly, and nasty anaerobic organisms would be the only things, if any, which would have a chance of surviving, so the roots would die and rot. A plant is an aerobic, not an anaerobic, organism. Too big a pot is quite similar to that situation: the plant's root system isn't big enough to process all that water, so the water goes stagnant (i.e., anaerobic). Hydroponic systems keep the water moving and oxygenated: you can't do that in a pot. So we only move pot-plants up one size at a time so that they can exploit the growing medium to the full. Dear old Franz, for ever missed from this group, had impeccable scientific credentials, and said this was nonsense. But he was a physicist, not a biologist, and spoke only from his personal experience -- you don't get science from one individual's anecdotal knack. And, crucially, he seems to have watered his pot plants very sparingly, so they never sat in stagnant water, and so didn't suffer from rot at the roots. You can do the same, and if you have the knack it'll work out OK; but I still think results will be better if you play by the rules. -- Mike. |
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JennyC wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message oups.com... JennyC wrote: snip I tend to plant stuff like parsley and basil in large pots where they stay and that seems to work for me. But not one parsley or basil seed to a pot, presumably? Sacha No. Seed sprinkled sparingly onto the soil. I then leave them to get on with it But that's just it. Several seeds which turn into several plants, happily absorbing water and nutrients at a fairly even rate per new plant. *Several* plants in one pot. Not one seed on its lonely ownly, being drowned by far, far too much water for its needs. That's why little plants are potted on and on and on. I can understand the OP's question but I can also state without equivocation that no nurseryman will waste paid workers' time, cost of pots and cost of compost to pot plants on from seed tray to 7cm pot to 1 litre pot to 2 litre pot etc. etc. if he or she could get away with planting e.g. a tomato seed or a tiny cutting in a 1 litre pot and leaving it there. I wish! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Dear old Franz, for ever missed from this group, had impeccable scientific credentials, and said this was nonsense. But he was a physicist, not a biologist, and spoke only from his personal experience -- you don't get science from one individual's anecdotal knack. And, crucially, he seems to have watered his pot plants very sparingly, so they never sat in stagnant water, and so didn't suffer from rot at the roots. You can do the same, and if you have the knack it'll work out OK; but I still think results will be better if you play by the rules. Agreed. But for some of us it helps enormously if we understand the rules. For years I was denied the pleasures of gardening because it seemed to be an infinite collection of arbitrary rules - far to many for me to get to grips with. You know the sort of thing -'prune back to the second outward facing bud on the first dry Saturday after the second frost free night'. Well that's how I remember it anyway. For me, the more I understand why, the easier it becomes. Lyndon |
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"JennyC" wrote in message ... Agreed. But for some of us it helps enormously if we understand the rules. For years I was denied the pleasures of gardening because it seemed to be an infinite collection of arbitrary rules - far to many for me to get to grips with. You know the sort of thing -'prune back to the second outward facing bud on the first dry Saturday after the second frost free night'. Well that's how I remember it anyway. I have a recipe like that somewhere..........full of smidgens, dollops, splash etc. I'll see if I can find it tommorow :~)) Jenny I'm trying to get to grips with cooking, and my children reckon I need formulae not recipes. So I look forward to reading to reading yours if you do find it. Lyndon |
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Lyndon wrote:
"JennyC" wrote in [...] I have a recipe like that somewhere..........full of smidgens, dollops, splash etc. I'll see if I can find it tommorow :~)) Jenny I'm trying to get to grips with cooking, and my children reckon I need formulae not recipes. So I look forward to reading to reading yours if you do find it. Try Delia Smith's books if you don't know about them already: she's very precise about exactly what to do with exactly how much of exactly what. -- Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Lyndon wrote: "JennyC" wrote in [...] I have a recipe like that somewhere..........full of smidgens, dollops, splash etc. I'll see if I can find it tommorow :~)) Jenny I'm trying to get to grips with cooking, and my children reckon I need formulae not recipes. So I look forward to reading to reading yours if you do find it. Try Delia Smith's books if you don't know about them already: she's very precise about exactly what to do with exactly how much of exactly what. -- Mike. I discovered her, thanks Mike. My wife had flu and after a week of eating practically nothing, she asked for a soft boiled egg. Panic. I really want her to enjoy this. Bless Delia. She had very precise instructions that produced a perfect soft boiled egg. (That's how much of a beginner I am!) Lyndon |
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