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Bare rooted plants from America
A load of bare rooted plants are about to be dumped on me from USA.
Some new DEFRA / USA regulations mean that they can not be shipped in soil. Any suggestions as to how Avocados (a few feet) should be treated on arrival to get them growing. One suggestion is to cut leaves in half to reduce water loss but I would have thought that this would result in a greater loss from the cuts. As you can see this is not an area of my expertise |
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Bare rooted plants from America
"Rupert" wrote in message ... A load of bare rooted plants are about to be dumped on me from USA. Some new DEFRA / USA regulations mean that they can not be shipped in soil. Any suggestions as to how Avocados (a few feet) should be treated on arrival to get them growing. One suggestion is to cut leaves in half to reduce water loss but I would have thought that this would result in a greater loss from the cuts. As you can see this is not an area of my expertise Just because they're bare rooted doesn't necessarily mean the roots won't have been well soaked and packaged in some way so as to prevent drying out - while at the same time still permitting examination. So you may have no worries in any case. I believe it's also possible to use a totally inert packing medium such as perlite. But I stand to be corrected on that. All they're worried about are soil borne pathogens and being able to ensure thet the roots are reasonably clean. To ensure roots were truly "bare rooted" and bearing no particles of soil bore pathogens at all, would require plants being raised in sterile conditions and microscopic or forensic examination of all imports. Which is clearly uneconomic. This however can cut both ways - they can either be expected to exercise a bit of common sense - or insist on applying senseless rules for the sake of it. I don't know where the cutting leaves in half suggestion comes from. This sounds very dubious to say the least. If removing foliage is thought necessary as a result of severe root pruning in the case of disease for instance then entire stems would be removed, However if all the roots are intact, then simply shading the plants for a few weeks to cut down transpiration loss would seem to be the best bet. If they continue to droop badly after that time then maybe have a rethink. But as soon as the leaves firm up, start gradually increasing their exposure to sunlight. michael adams .... |
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"michael adams" wrote in message ... "Rupert" wrote in message ... A load of bare rooted plants are about to be dumped on me from USA. Some new DEFRA / USA regulations mean that they can not be shipped in soil. Any suggestions as to how Avocados (a few feet) should be treated on arrival to get them growing. One suggestion is to cut leaves in half to reduce water loss but I would have thought that this would result in a greater loss from the cuts. As you can see this is not an area of my expertise Just because they're bare rooted doesn't necessarily mean the roots won't have been well soaked and packaged in some way so as to prevent drying out - while at the same time still permitting examination. So you may have no worries in any case. I believe it's also possible to use a totally inert packing medium such as perlite. But I stand to be corrected on that. All they're worried about are soil borne pathogens and being able to ensure thet the roots are reasonably clean. To ensure roots were truly "bare rooted" and bearing no particles of soil bore pathogens at all, would require plants being raised in sterile conditions and microscopic or forensic examination of all imports. Which is clearly uneconomic. This however can cut both ways - they can either be expected to exercise a bit of common sense - or insist on applying senseless rules for the sake of it. I don't know where the cutting leaves in half suggestion comes from. This sounds very dubious to say the least. If removing foliage is thought necessary as a result of severe root pruning in the case of disease for instance then entire stems would be removed, However if all the roots are intact, then simply shading the plants for a few weeks to cut down transpiration loss would seem to be the best bet. If they continue to droop badly after that time then maybe have a rethink. But as soon as the leaves firm up, start gradually increasing their exposure to sunlight. michael adams Excellent -thanks just what I needed to know. |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:18:58 +0100, "Rupert"
wrote: A load of bare rooted plants are about to be dumped on me from USA. Some new DEFRA / USA regulations mean that they can not be shipped in soil. Any suggestions as to how Avocados (a few feet) should be treated on arrival to get them growing. One suggestion is to cut leaves in half to reduce water loss but I would have thought that this would result in a greater loss from the cuts. As you can see this is not an area of my expertise It is recommended that leaf cuttings of camellias are cut in half (transversely, not lengthwise) to reduce transpiration. Didn't cause any problems when I've done this in the past and I sometimes do it to other types of cutting if they're excessively leafy. Whether avocados would benefit, I've no idea. -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
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Interesting, do you have any links to the DEFRA site, as I have been
trying to imort some tree's. But all the nurserys I have contacted refuse to supply, either potted or bare rooted. It was my understanding that its not only the soil borne pests etc, its those that could be infesting the tree (hiding in the bark) etc, that why restrictions were imposed. On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:18:58 +0100, "Rupert" wrote: A load of bare rooted plants are about to be dumped on me from USA. Some new DEFRA / USA regulations mean that they can not be shipped in soil. Any suggestions as to how Avocados (a few feet) should be treated on arrival to get them growing. One suggestion is to cut leaves in half to reduce water loss but I would have thought that this would result in a greater loss from the cuts. As you can see this is not an area of my expertise |
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:18:58 +0100, "Rupert" wrote: A load of bare rooted plants are about to be dumped on me from USA. Some new DEFRA / USA regulations mean that they can not be shipped in soil. Any suggestions as to how Avocados (a few feet) should be treated on arrival to get them growing. One suggestion is to cut leaves in half to reduce water loss but I would have thought that this would result in a greater loss from the cuts. As you can see this is not an area of my expertise It is recommended that leaf cuttings of camellias are cut in half (transversely, not lengthwise) to reduce transpiration. .... Strangly enough one might have thought that drought-tolerant subjects such as camellias wouldn't be so prone to water loss through evaporation and transpiration as some other species. But clearly this must be wrong. .... Didn't cause any problems when I've done this in the past and I sometimes do it to other types of cutting if they're excessively leafy. Whether avocados would benefit, I've no idea. .... Rupert is importing rooted plants, not rootless cuttings in any case. And on plants there's always the possibility of removing entire stems if such drastic measures are eventually though necessary. michael adams -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
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"mouldy man" wrote in message ... Interesting, do you have any links to the DEFRA site, as I have been trying to imort some tree's. But all the nurserys I have contacted refuse to supply, either potted or bare rooted. It was my understanding that its not only the soil borne pests etc, its those that could be infesting the tree (hiding in the bark) etc, that why restrictions were imposed. You could make a start he http://www.defra.gov.uk/planth/impexp.htm Apparently a lot can depend on species. Certain species maybe elm because of elm bark beetle (obvious example/guess) are banned altogether especially from countries where the problem is known to exist. michael adams |
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"mouldy man" wrote in message ... Interesting, do you have any links to the DEFRA site, as I have been trying to imort some tree's. But all the nurserys I have contacted refuse to supply, either potted or bare rooted. It was my understanding that its not only the soil borne pests etc, its those that could be infesting the tree (hiding in the bark) etc, that why restrictions were imposed. It's a very complex process -so complex that many of the UK plant suppliers have packed in exporting to the UK and Europe. Quote from my supplier in USA " Looks like it's some kind of "cold war" between USDA and DEFRA" If you find an American supplier who is prepared to ship to the UK you will need to become an authorised plant importer and receive a DEFRA registration number. This is a relatively simple process, particularly if you are VAT registered. Whatever the cost of the plant you can add several hundred pounds to the cost to cover:- Phytosanitary certificate, USA-Packaging to IATA standards, Transport to Airport, Airfreight charges to UK, Clearance charges in the UK , Import duty and DEFRA inspection charge. +VAT. An alternative is to piggy back your shipment with someone else who is already registered |
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"Rupert" wrote in message ... "mouldy man" wrote in message ... Interesting, do you have any links to the DEFRA site, as I have been trying to imort some tree's. But all the nurserys I have contacted refuse to supply, either potted or bare rooted. It was my understanding that its not only the soil borne pests etc, its those that could be infesting the tree (hiding in the bark) etc, that why restrictions were imposed. It's a very complex process -so complex that many of the UK plant suppliers have packed in exporting to the UK and Europe. Quote from my supplier in USA " Looks like it's some kind of "cold war" between USDA and DEFRA" If you find an American supplier who is prepared to ship to the UK you will need to become an authorised plant importer and receive a DEFRA registration number. This is a relatively simple process, particularly if you are VAT registered. Whatever the cost of the plant you can add several hundred pounds to the cost to cover:- Phytosanitary certificate, USA-Packaging to IATA standards, Transport to Airport, Airfreight charges to UK, Clearance charges in the UK , Import duty and DEFRA inspection charge. +VAT. An alternative is to piggy back your shipment with someone else who is already registered Just one final word of advice --if you do import plants make certain they don't arrive at Heathrow on a Bank Holiday--(very big sob). |
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"Sacha" wrote in message oups.com... Rupert wrote: snip Just one final word of advice --if you do import plants make certain they don't arrive at Heathrow on a Bank Holiday--(very big sob). Oh no! What happened? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon Well it's like this. The computerised clearance system would not accept the DEFRA import number and the agent said that there was no one in Customs who could help because they were operating on a skeleton staff. Me rings an emergency number and Customs intervene and the system starts to work. Original documents are with the agent who needs to get them to Customs who have promised to clear everything in two hours which gets us to about 6 o'clock this evening. Agent goes home at 5 o'clock and no one can release anything from warehouse until tomorrow. One other slight problem is all the paperwork is wrong cos one box did not get loaded in Florida and has arrived on a different flight. That's it -I am going to stick to flowering pansies from the local shed or perhaps get a taxi to Devon and back and have a look at your plants. I am certain this would work out cheaper and less stressful :-) .. |
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Rupert wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message oups.com... Rupert wrote: snip Just one final word of advice --if you do import plants make certain they don't arrive at Heathrow on a Bank Holiday--(very big sob). Oh no! What happened? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon Well it's like this. The computerised clearance system would not accept the DEFRA import number and the agent said that there was no one in Customs who could help because they were operating on a skeleton staff. Me rings an emergency number and Customs intervene and the system starts to work. Original documents are with the agent who needs to get them to Customs who have promised to clear everything in two hours which gets us to about 6 o'clock this evening. Agent goes home at 5 o'clock and no one can release anything from warehouse until tomorrow. One other slight problem is all the paperwork is wrong cos one box did not get loaded in Florida and has arrived on a different flight. That's it -I am going to stick to flowering pansies from the local shed or perhaps get a taxi to Devon and back and have a look at your plants. I am certain this would work out cheaper and less stressful :-) Well of course it would. Especially with the emollient of a Devon cream tea! Ugh, what a sorry tale for you, though and how deeply frustrating. I'm sorry and I do hope all works out asap. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon |
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