"June Hughes" wrote in message
...


I am temporarily without a pond, due to the realignment of
my garden path.....but I _have_ successfully brought up five
children without mishap, and of my fourteen grandchildren,

Rank puller!

From five we only have ten.

Mind you, it's enough. The novelty does wear off, we've found, in twenty
one
years.

Humph. I don't have any and at this rate it doesn't look likely that I
will Never mind, at least I had the youngest sprog late in life!

There are compensations. You don't have to worry about them being drowned
:-)

Mary
--
June Hughes

There are compensations. You don't have to worry about them being drowned
:-)

Mary


unless someone has built a climbing frame round a pond with horizontal
palings :-((

Mike


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In article , Sacha
writes
Please may I suggest that we get back onto an even keel here? Thousands and
thousands of children have grown up round ponds, rivers, harbours,
shorelines or on boats etc. What is needed is for their adults to be
sensible about this.

My thoughts exactly, we have a 17 month old grandson and he can move
like quicksilver, he can reach door handles and often opens doors. With
this in mind, we have had to take precautions with our swimming pool as
he will be spending 2 weeks with us, without mummy, in the Summer,
Edward bought a swimming pool alarm in France where it is now obligatory
to either fence off a pool or use one of these things. If the surface
of the water is disturbed by a weight of more than one or two kilos,
then sonic alarms go off all over the place. They are not cheap, about
£300 but what price our grandson's life.
--
Judith Lea

On 11/7/06 12:01, in article , "Judith
Lea" wrote:

In article , Sacha
writes
Please may I suggest that we get back onto an even keel here? Thousands and
thousands of children have grown up round ponds, rivers, harbours,
shorelines or on boats etc. What is needed is for their adults to be
sensible about this.

My thoughts exactly, we have a 17 month old grandson and he can move
like quicksilver, he can reach door handles and often opens doors. With
this in mind, we have had to take precautions with our swimming pool as
he will be spending 2 weeks with us, without mummy, in the Summer,
Edward bought a swimming pool alarm in France where it is now obligatory
to either fence off a pool or use one of these things. If the surface
of the water is disturbed by a weight of more than one or two kilos,
then sonic alarms go off all over the place. They are not cheap, about
£300 but what price our grandson's life.

Brilliant idea, too. I've never heard of these but they sound excellent.
And someone has just emailed me to ask if I have yet spotted my own
'deliberate mistake' in one of my posts in this thread. Sorry, folks -
*vertical* palings round a pond, NOT horizontal. I keep doing that! One day
I'll do it literally and we'll have plants growing in some strange
directions!
Though I must say that what-used-to-be the nursery in this house has one
horizontal bar only across the window - just the right height for a small
person to climb onto and over!
For swimming pools, I've seen covers that run in grooves along the pool and
are strong enough for a man to stand on but again, I think we're talking
very high costs. Your alarm sounds a better bet.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

In message , Judith Lea
writes
In article , Sacha
writes
Please may I suggest that we get back onto an even keel here? Thousands and
thousands of children have grown up round ponds, rivers, harbours,
shorelines or on boats etc. What is needed is for their adults to be
sensible about this.

My thoughts exactly, we have a 17 month old grandson and he can move
like quicksilver, he can reach door handles and often opens doors.
With this in mind, we have had to take precautions with our swimming
pool as he will be spending 2 weeks with us, without mummy, in the
Summer, Edward bought a swimming pool alarm in France where it is now
obligatory to either fence off a pool or use one of these things. If
the surface of the water is disturbed by a weight of more than one or
two kilos, then sonic alarms go off all over the place. They are not
cheap, about £300 but what price our grandson's life.
Hi Judith

What a good idea. I shall investigate that one.

BTW was at the Royal Norfolk Show last Thurs. Lovely but hot. Thought
about you.
--
June Hughes

In article , Sacha
writes
For swimming pools, I've seen covers that run in grooves along the pool and
are strong enough for a man to stand on but again, I think we're talking
very high costs. Your alarm sounds a better bet.

Yes there are such covers but these are for covering the pool over
winter or at night - they are quite unwieldy and not something to "pop"
over to keep it safe.

Alarms or fencing with a locked gate are obligatory in France; unlike a
pond, a small child would be unable to stand up. My late sister had an
enormous, beautiful pond and she had a grid fitted just under the
waterline so that the twins couldn't push each other into it!

--
Judith Lea

In article , June Hughes
writes

What a good idea. I shall investigate that one.

BTW was at the Royal Norfolk Show last Thurs. Lovely but hot. Thought
about you.

I had tickets for both days but unfortunately I was required at work

--
Judith Lea

said...
If you are still happy to dispense the advice in your post, then on your
conscience be it.

[big snip]

Of course I'm happy. I'd not have said it otherwise. I'm sorry, but
you need to get a grip. Far more people are hurt on the roads every
year than in ponds, yet using your mindset we'd be putting railings up
along every kerb. All you've shown is that people, especially children,
can drown in ponds. We all know this, and we teach our children to be
careful. We show them that the water's cold and not good to swim in -
and then we allow them to be children. Far worse is the sort of cover
on a pond that doesn't allow a small child to push it out of the way
should the need arise - thus allowing said child to drown underneath it.

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To reply see 'from' in headers; lose the domain, and insert dots and @
where common sense dictates.

said...

"p.k." wrote in message
...

... one death is too many.

So never, ever, put a child in a car.

Or on a pavement, or in a wood (it might climb a tree and then fall), or
in the garden (it might eat the laburnam), or...

It's tragic that so many children are killed each year, by whatever
means this happens. It is also true, however, that far more children
survive the hazards of life than succumb to them.

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where common sense dictates.

said...
Mary Fisher wrote:
"p.k." wrote in message
...
Mary Fisher wrote:
"p.k." wrote in message
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... one death is too many.

So never, ever, put a child in a car.

Mary

No, if you put a child in a car, put then put it on the back seat in
a car

That doesn't guarantee to protect the child.

It might die.

One death is too many (I quote)

So never, ever, put a child in a car.

In that case, never have a child in the first place!

you are in a hole and still digging. Stop!

Someone is certainly digging himself into an ever deepening hole - but
it's not Mary.

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In message , Judith Lea
writes
In article , June Hughes
writes

What a good idea. I shall investigate that one.

BTW was at the Royal Norfolk Show last Thurs. Lovely but hot. Thought
about you.

I had tickets for both days but unfortunately I was required at work

I thought that may have been the case. I took three days off - joy!
Pampered by m-in-l.
--
June Hughes

And someone has just emailed me to ask if I have yet spotted my own
'deliberate mistake' in one of my posts in this thread. Sorry, folks -
*vertical* palings round a pond, NOT horizontal. I keep doing that! --
Sacha
South Devon
(email address on website)


:-)))

Mike (who DIDN'T come down in the last shower of rain)

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On 11/7/06 14:27, in article ,
"Sena" wrote:

said...

"p.k." wrote in message
...

... one death is too many.

So never, ever, put a child in a car.

Or on a pavement, or in a wood (it might climb a tree and then fall), or
in the garden (it might eat the laburnam), or...

It's tragic that so many children are killed each year, by whatever
means this happens. It is also true, however, that far more children
survive the hazards of life than succumb to them.

They do indeed but while I don't think there have been any reported cases of
a child being killed by eating e.g. laburnum seeds (or any other toxic
plant) for many years, there is no doubt toddlers die in ponds or pools
every year. So taking reasonable precautions like fencing seems sensible to
me whereas actually filling in a pond really doesn't.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(email address on website)

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 11/7/06 14:27, in article
,
"Sena" wrote:

So taking reasonable precautions like fencing seems sensible to
me .
--
Sacha
South Devon
(email address on website)


As long as it is not like a Climbing Frame, (complete with a rope over the
pond as the Royal Marines use?) so that our little 'darhlings' fall in.

Fancing posting that the palings should be horizontal and thus making a
climbing frame :-(( Just HOW irresponsible CAN anyone be ???????????

Mike


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On Sat, 8 Jul 2006 Sacha wrote:

We have inherited a pond in the house we have bought but have decided to
fill it in.

We do like the pond but our garden is tiny and it takes up half the space.
Plus we have begun to think long term. Ie starting a family and feel that
it is just easier/safer to fill it in a gain a bigger garden aswell.

I was wondering what would be the best way to fill to pond.. we will be
digging up lots of concrete slab, will these be ok?


plus any ideas of the best way to rehome the fishes? we dont know anyone
else with a pond!


Please, please don't fill it in! Fence it with vertical or netting fencing
or look at putting in one of those just-below-the-surface metal grilles but
do keep it. Children have grown up beside rivers, seaside, harbours, lakes
and ponds for centuries. Take reasonable precautions but keep it!

Hmmm.. I think I would rather fill it in - in fact I did this in one
house/garden I occupied - because I know of a family where their
youngest, a toddler, fell in to their pond and nearly drowned. He didn't
drown but suffered brain damage and is now severely physically
handicapped.

Yes, I know that someone should have been watching him, but can every
parent here say that they watch their toddlers 100% of the time. It can,
and did, happen by simply going into the house to fetch something.

David

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