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Carpet v Weed Membrane
Anybody any thoughts on the pros and cons of using carpet as against
weed membrane. I am looking at buying 'new' but very cheap carpet with no foam backing, as offcuts 12ft x 12ft are quite cheap ??? |
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"Mr Big" wrote in message ... Anybody any thoughts on the pros and cons of using carpet as against weed membrane. I am looking at buying 'new' but very cheap carpet with no foam backing, as offcuts 12ft x 12ft are quite cheap ??? In no particular order: Cost - Old carpet is free. Weed proof membrane is not. When carpet rots the coloured fibres will lie everywhere. Weed membrane can be delicate. Around here it tears in the wind and when the local oik walks on it. Appearance. My neighbours do not like to see black membrane but will actually complain about old carpet in the front garden. HTH |
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"Someone Here" wrote in message . uk... "Mr Big" wrote in message ... Anybody any thoughts on the pros and cons of using carpet as against weed membrane. I am looking at buying 'new' but very cheap carpet with no foam backing, as offcuts 12ft x 12ft are quite cheap ??? In no particular order: Cost - Old carpet is free. Weed proof membrane is not. When carpet rots the coloured fibres will lie everywhere. go to a carpet retailer or layer and see if they have any old hessian type underlay (looks a little like firbeglass insulation). It will keep weeds down and will rot away in time. It does the job well enough and you can get it free. The firm will have to pay to chuck it so you will be doing them a favour. rob |
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George.com wrote: "Someone Here" wrote in message . uk... "Mr Big" wrote in message ... Anybody any thoughts on the pros and cons of using carpet as against weed membrane. I am looking at buying 'new' but very cheap carpet with no foam backing, as offcuts 12ft x 12ft are quite cheap ??? In no particular order: Cost - Old carpet is free. Weed proof membrane is not. When carpet rots the coloured fibres will lie everywhere. go to a carpet retailer or layer and see if they have any old hessian type underlay (looks a little like firbeglass insulation). It will keep weeds down and will rot away in time. It does the job well enough and you can get it free. The firm will have to pay to chuck it so you will be doing them a favour. I think we need a clear idea of what the barrier layer is intended to do. If it's a temporary measure intended to kill off a particular infestation, and which will be taken away after a few months or a year, carpet could do it, though not as well as impervious stout black plastic. I've done it with black poly, and indeed cardboard, and it worked OK. George's suggestion of old felt underlay is a good one: nasty to work with in dry weather, of course, as it'll be full of dust -- you need to be sure it's totally light-proof, though. If it's meant to be permanent, well, I have my doubts about all these measures. Synthetic carpet will soon enough gain a crop of rather unhappy but determined weeds on _top_, and weeding will surely be harder than simply hoeing a patch of soil. Impervious plastic must be bad for the long-term health of the soil. For the "official" anti-weed membranes, I'd like to hear from people who've had them down for five years or mo did they get fed up of the sight of them? If they were covered with shingle or bark chippings, did weeds take hold on top as I predicted for carpet? Etc? I don't claim certain knowledge on the subject, as I've only tried this kind of thing for particular limited aims; but I can't help wondering if these "labour-saving" measures are just another idea thrown up by the instant horticulture fad, and if in fact plain old _gardening_ is less work overall. After some time, getting non-degradable stuff _out_ again when you want to is going to be a nightmare. -- Mike. |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ups.com... George.com wrote: "Someone Here" wrote in message . uk... "Mr Big" wrote in message ... Anybody any thoughts on the pros and cons of using carpet as against weed membrane. I am looking at buying 'new' but very cheap carpet with no foam backing, as offcuts 12ft x 12ft are quite cheap ??? In no particular order: Cost - Old carpet is free. Weed proof membrane is not. When carpet rots the coloured fibres will lie everywhere. go to a carpet retailer or layer and see if they have any old hessian type underlay (looks a little like firbeglass insulation). It will keep weeds down and will rot away in time. It does the job well enough and you can get it free. The firm will have to pay to chuck it so you will be doing them a favour. I think we need a clear idea of what the barrier layer is intended to do. If it's a temporary measure intended to kill off a particular infestation, and which will be taken away after a few months or a year, carpet could do it, though not as well as impervious stout black plastic. I've done it with black poly, and indeed cardboard, and it worked OK. George's suggestion of old felt underlay is a good one: nasty to work with in dry weather, of course, as it'll be full of dust -- you need to be sure it's totally light-proof, though. If it's meant to be permanent, well, I have my doubts about all these measures. Synthetic carpet will soon enough gain a crop of rather unhappy but determined weeds on _top_, and weeding will surely be harder than simply hoeing a patch of soil. Impervious plastic must be bad for the long-term health of the soil. For the "official" anti-weed membranes, I'd like to hear from people who've had them down for five years or mo did they get fed up of the sight of them? If they were covered with shingle or bark chippings, did weeds take hold on top as I predicted for carpet? Etc? I don't claim certain knowledge on the subject, as I've only tried this kind of thing for particular limited aims; but I can't help wondering if these "labour-saving" measures are just another idea thrown up by the instant horticulture fad, and if in fact plain old _gardening_ is less work overall. After some time, getting non-degradable stuff _out_ again when you want to is going to be a nightmare. -- Mike. One area on which I used black polythene and gravel was very successful for about a year. It is now the very best area for germination of even quite difficult plants:-) The rest of the garden is mulched with plants. No visible soil means little or no weeds. |
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"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message ... "Mike Lyle" wrote in message ups.com... George.com wrote: "Someone Here" wrote in message . uk... I think we need a clear idea of what the barrier layer is intended to do. If it's a temporary measure intended to kill off a particular infestation, and which will be taken away after a few months or a year, carpet could do it, though not as well as impervious stout black plastic. I've done it with black poly, and indeed cardboard, and it worked OK. George's suggestion of old felt underlay is a good one: nasty to work with in dry weather, of course, as it'll be full of dust -- you need to be sure it's totally light-proof, though. If it's meant to be permanent, well, I have my doubts about all these measures. Synthetic carpet will soon enough gain a crop of rather unhappy but determined weeds on _top_, and weeding will surely be harder than simply hoeing a patch of soil. Impervious plastic must be bad for the long-term health of the soil. For the "official" anti-weed membranes, I'd like to hear from people who've had them down for five years or mo did they get fed up of the sight of them? If they were covered with shingle or bark chippings, did weeds take hold on top as I predicted for carpet? Etc? I don't claim certain knowledge on the subject, as I've only tried this kind of thing for particular limited aims; but I can't help wondering if these "labour-saving" measures are just another idea thrown up by the instant horticulture fad, and if in fact plain old _gardening_ is less work overall. After some time, getting non-degradable stuff _out_ again when you want to is going to be a nightmare. -- Mike. One area on which I used black polythene and gravel was very successful for about a year. It is now the very best area for germination of even quite difficult plants:-) The rest of the garden is mulched with plants. No visible soil means little or no weeds. My method too! I once had membrane down for about 10 years in the fruit cage between the bushes but eventually removed it because although the total quantity of weeds may have been reduced, docks and dandelions hogweed and many more managed to get through it and were then impossible to remove, I think using temporary compostable barriers much better. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ups.com... George.com wrote: "Someone Here" wrote in message . uk... "Mr Big" wrote in message ... Anybody any thoughts on the pros and cons of using carpet as against weed membrane. I am looking at buying 'new' but very cheap carpet with no foam backing, as offcuts 12ft x 12ft are quite cheap ??? In no particular order: Cost - Old carpet is free. Weed proof membrane is not. When carpet rots the coloured fibres will lie everywhere. go to a carpet retailer or layer and see if they have any old hessian type underlay (looks a little like firbeglass insulation). It will keep weeds down and will rot away in time. It does the job well enough and you can get it free. The firm will have to pay to chuck it so you will be doing them a favour. I think we need a clear idea of what the barrier layer is intended to do. If it's a temporary measure intended to kill off a particular infestation, and which will be taken away after a few months or a year, carpet could do it, though not as well as impervious stout black plastic. I've done it with black poly, and indeed cardboard, and it worked OK. George's suggestion of old felt underlay is a good one: nasty to work with in dry weather, of course, as it'll be full of dust -- you need to be sure it's totally light-proof, though. If it's meant to be permanent, well, I have my doubts about all these measures. thats the stuff, felt underlay. It has the advantage of rotting away slowly but providing several years weed suppression without leaving bothersome bits behind. I use it in my garden as both a weed suppressor on fallow beds and over compost to keep the weather off. If it is to be used over an existing bed and then covered with a compost to plant into, it will work well for some years. The underlay can also be slit and shrubs etc planted in to the soil underneath. The same goes if laying over an existing bed and planting through it. The underlay may not look too nice however neithe does old carpet or black weed membrane for my money. Some type of mulch can be put over the top to hide it. The bonus is thats its free. rob |
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"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ups.com... I don't claim certain knowledge on the subject, as I've only tried this kind of thing for particular limited aims; but I can't help wondering if these "labour-saving" measures are just another idea thrown up by the instant horticulture fad, and if in fact plain old _gardening_ is less work overall. After some time, getting non-degradable stuff _out_ again when you want to is going to be a nightmare. Moved into my house in 1998. Front garden was a clay mudbath. Used the hessian backed carpet left by previous owner to cover it up. Dumped five tons of gravel on top, for a one inch thck layer. I get sycamore seedlings each year, but they pull up with no effort. Other than clearing the rubbish which blows in there is no gardening to do. Dave |
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Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Someone Here" contains these words: Moved into my house in 1998. Front garden was a clay mudbath. Used the hessian backed carpet left by previous owner to cover it up. Dumped five tons of gravel on top, for a one inch thck layer. I get sycamore seedlings each year, but they pull up with no effort. Other than clearing the rubbish which blows in there is no gardening to do. Yebbut..is 5 tons of spread gravel , a garden? Ah, you must contemprate the symborism, Glasshopper! When you see that the garden and the glavel are the same and not the same, infinity in finitude, and become yourself the still point at the centre which is also the edge, you shall understand what cannot be understood. Meanwhile, student-san, I think that's a weed over there... -- Mike. |
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