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Scott wrote:

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Scott wrote:



As for the rocket attack of 27 Dec, Hezbullah denied launching the
attack or having any knowledge of it.


Nevertheless, the attack took place and whether that particular rocket
was launched by Hizbullah or Al-Queda or any other group, many have
taken place since that date prior to the current escalation of
hostilities, which unequivocably _were_ launched by Hizbullah.



I repeat that Israel didn't attack in response to rockets being fired

from Lebanon since the current wave of rockets was a response to

Israel's action not a cause of it.


Repeating a statement does not make it fact.

But I can support that with statements made by the Israeli PM. He gave
the reason for attacking Lebanon as the abduction of 2 soldiers and
promptly bombed bridges airports and civilian infrastructure. By any
reasonable measure that was an escalation - they were after all
soldiers not civilians who were abducted. Israel on the other hand has
abducted many civilians.


With respect, that has very little to do with your earler assertion
that Hizbullah rockets were only fired /after/ the Iraeli attacks which
as we have seen is not the case.


Everything occurs /after/ something else. What matters is the response
- is it proportionate. Rocket attacks have regularly taken place, for
example:

"In a serious breach of the ceasefire in the early morning of 28 May,
unidentified armed elements launched at least eight rockets from the
general area of Aynata across the Blue Line into Israel. Three
rockets impacted inside an IDF position on Mount Meron, in Upper
Galilee, some 8 kilometres south of the Line, causing material damage
and lightly wounding one soldier. Hizbollah denied any involvement in
the attack. Palestinian lslamic Jihad in Lebanon initially claimed
responsibility in retaliation for the killing of a leading member in
Lebanon and his brother on 26 May in a car bomb explosion in Saida.
The claim was retracted later that day".
[Report of the Secretary-General on the United Nations Interim Force
in Lebanon].

The rockets being fired now are a response to the Israeli attack, they
cant in any sense be seen as a cause of it. The numbers which are
being claimed as fired don't match the numbers implied in the
Secretary-General's reports on the cease fire. In any case that
ignores Israeli violations - shelling and bombardments which also take
place.

Scott wrote:

The rockets being fired now are a response to the Israeli attack, they
cant in any sense be seen as a cause of it. The numbers which are
being claimed as fired don't match the numbers implied in the
Secretary-General's reports on the cease fire. In any case that
ignores Israeli violations - shelling and bombardments which also take
place.

You miss the point again. Numbers of rockets don't really matter. In
this situation, both sides have fired on the other and there is no
point at which the current situation "started", it is the upwelling of
a continuing cycle of violence. Both sides are culpable.

It doesn't matter who "started it". What matters is to stop it and
prevent it happening in the future. Why is this so hard to understand?

wrote:
Scott wrote:


The rockets being fired now are a response to the Israeli attack, they
cant in any sense be seen as a cause of it. The numbers which are
being claimed as fired don't match the numbers implied in the
Secretary-General's reports on the cease fire. In any case that
ignores Israeli violations - shelling and bombardments which also take
place.


You miss the point again. Numbers of rockets don't really matter. In
this situation, both sides have fired on the other and there is no
point at which the current situation "started", it is the upwelling of
a continuing cycle of violence. Both sides are culpable.

It doesn't matter who "started it". What matters is to stop it and
prevent it happening in the future. Why is this so hard to understand?


It isn't hard to understand. The only way to stop it is to remove the
state of Israel and the best way to achieve that is to transplant it
to the USA. It was formed by immigration and it can be dismantled in
the same way. The US has plenty of weird religious sects one more wont
matter. There can never be peace so long as an alien western culture
remains in the middle east. Why is that so hard to understand?

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wrote:
Arthur wrote:
.
It is truly shameful that the Jewish people who have suffered so
much for so long, should so rapidly forget the lessons of their
own history.

By the same token, their history has taught them to defend
themselves as no-one else will. As I've said before, however
unpalatable the current action, it cannot easily be apportioned or
explained.

The Jewish people have learned and fully absorbed the Most Important
lessons of their own history.

No One, Absolutely No One can be counted on to come to their aid when
faced with extermination. The entire world will turn it's back when it
comes to that time. They have done it before. Popes, Governments,
Media and Peoples. They are doing it now.

And the people who came to their aid during the war, and sheltered
them? Or the countries that fed and housed them in their refugee status?



They really don't care what anyone thinks who is
outside their borders.

True.

--
wigwambam