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'Mike' wrote:
Please explain how this power is stored for future use.

Thank you

Mike

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Do you mean the Nuclear or Wind power?

Judith


Either

Mike


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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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"'Mike'" writes:
| wrote in message
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| Donc, just one one nuclear reactor may be the equivalent of 1500
| windmills at full power, but, no wind, no power and all stored power
| sent to grid would not be adequate for even our basic use.
|
| Please explain how this power is stored for future use.

You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.

Fiendishly cunning, these Welshmen.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


So every unsightly hideous wind mill has to have a mountain alongside it
does it?

Wonderful for the countryside ......... not

:-((

Mike


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In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
| a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
| There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.
|
| Fiendishly cunning, these Welshmen.
|
| So every unsightly hideous wind mill has to have a mountain alongside it
| does it?

No.

| Wonderful for the countryside ......... not
|
| :-((
|
| Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association

Look, for someone who puts that in your signature, you are woefully
ingorant about electricity technology. Try using the new-fangled
Internet to search for 'UK national grid' and 'power transmission'.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
| a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
| There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.
|
| Fiendishly cunning, these Welshmen.
|
| So every unsightly hideous wind mill has to have a mountain alongside
it
| does it?

No.

| Wonderful for the countryside ......... not
|
| :-((
|
| Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association

Look, for someone who puts that in your signature, you are woefully
ingorant about electricity technology. Try using the new-fangled
Internet to search for 'UK national grid' and 'power transmission'.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

The question I asked was referring to 'storage'. Not transmission.

:-))

Perhaps you would like to answer my question seeing as you are an expert on
everything. "How is the 'spare' electricity to be stored when there is no
demand for it at the time of generation?" The pump and hill is a well
documented exercise in 'energy and transferring energy' etc and does NOT
answer my question.

Put it in simple terms. I have a field of hideous windmills generating XXXX
Watts. The grid uses XX Watts. How are the other XX Watts going to be
'stored' for when the adverts come on and everybody puts the kettle on and
require XXXXXX Watts?

Understand the question? I have tried to make it simple for you :-)

Mike


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In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| | You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
| | a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
| | There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.
| |
| | Fiendishly cunning, these Welshmen.
| |
| | So every unsightly hideous wind mill has to have a mountain alongside
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| | it does it?
^^^^^^^^^^^
|
| No.
|
| | Wonderful for the countryside ......... not
| |
| | :-((
| |
| | Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association
|
| Look, for someone who puts that in your signature, you are woefully
| ingorant about electricity technology. Try using the new-fangled
| Internet to search for 'UK national grid' and 'power transmission'.
|
| The question I asked was referring to 'storage'. Not transmission.

I have marked the sentence with carets where you indicated that you aren't
aware that electricity has been transmitted over long distances in the UK
for many decades.

| Put it in simple terms. I have a field of hideous windmills generating XXXX
| Watts. The grid uses XX Watts. How are the other XX Watts going to be
| 'stored' for when the adverts come on and everybody puts the kettle on and
| require XXXXXX Watts?

I answered that when you asked it the first time. See the first
paragraph of this posting.

| Understand the question? I have tried to make it simple for you :-)

I apologise for being unable to make the answer simple enough for you,
but my abilities are finite.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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I apologise for being unable to make the answer simple enough for you,
but my abilities are finite.



Because you do not understand the question of 'storage' of surplus
electricity :-))

OK

Thank you

Mike
:-)


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"'Mike'" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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'Mike' wrote:
Please explain how this power is stored for future use.

Thank you

Mike

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Do you mean the Nuclear or Wind power?

Judith


Either

Mike


As an add on as Nick is getting his knickers in a twist, surplus power as
generated, cannot be stored or bottled and used later. The water pump
contraption is limited to the volume of water and the time factor. Very good
and useful BUT, electricity is not being stored just the potential energy of
the falling water which has been pumped up with the 'surplus electricity' at
the time of generation.

Mike


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In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| As an add on as Nick is getting his knickers in a twist, surplus power as
| generated, cannot be stored or bottled and used later. The water pump
| contraption is limited to the volume of water and the time factor. Very good
| and useful BUT, electricity is not being stored just the potential energy of
| the falling water which has been pumped up with the 'surplus electricity' at
| the time of generation.

Do I bother to point out that electricity, in the sense that you are
using it there, is a physical fiction? Nah. It's not worth it.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| As an add on as Nick is getting his knickers in a twist, surplus power
as
| generated, cannot be stored or bottled and used later. The water pump
| contraption is limited to the volume of water and the time factor. Very
good
| and useful BUT, electricity is not being stored just the potential
energy of
| the falling water which has been pumped up with the 'surplus
electricity' at
| the time of generation.

Do I bother to point out that electricity, in the sense that you are
using it there, is a physical fiction? Nah. It's not worth it.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

wriggle wriggle?

Admit you are wrong

Mike


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In article ,
Martin writes:
|
| You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
| a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
| There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.
|
| Fiendishly cunning, these Welshmen.
|
| There you go Mike, Nick has answered it for me which is just as well as
| I would have had to ask my husband!!
|
| There is a difference between having one site in Wales and enough sites to cope
| with all the surplus energy generated, when it is not required.

Eh? You don't do that. All you need is enough backup to cover the time
when you aren't generating enough. If you generate more than you can
use or store, you simply stop generating it and let the wind blow free.

| Will somebody be adding the cost of building these installations to the
| economics of wind farms?

Anyone competent, yes. I can't speak for HMG. Especially since they
don't include the cost of long-term storage of the radioactive debris
in the economics of nuclear power. Or the cost of global warming in
the cost of oil- and gas-fired stations.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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If you generate more than you can
use or store,


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I ask again, how are you going to store the electricity?

Mike


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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...

In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
| wrote in message
| ups.com...
|
| Donc, just one one nuclear reactor may be the equivalent of 1500
| windmills at full power, but, no wind, no power and all stored power
| sent to grid would not be adequate for even our basic use.
|
| Please explain how this power is stored for future use.

You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.

Unfortunately, not really suitable for Windsor, as there is only one
elevated site, and that has a castle built on it!

But I do understand the Queen gets free electicity from turbines set in the
river!

Alan

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| You run a pump, which pushes water up to a reservoir at the top of
| a mountain, which then can be used to drive a turbine when needed.
| There has been exactly such a site in Wales for decades.
|
| Fiendishly cunning, these Welshmen.
|
| So every unsightly hideous wind mill has to have a mountain alongside
it
| does it?

No.

| Wonderful for the countryside ......... not
|
| :-((
|
| Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association

Look, for someone who puts that in your signature, you are woefully
ingorant about electricity technology.

He doesn't say what level he achieved, but if he was an officer I could
understnd his ignorance of the subject!

Alan

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"JennyC" wrote in message

I would if I thought they, and waves, and bio, and... would provide
enough
energy for all out modern day needs. But I can't see it
happening....we use
more and more electricity for out PC, air conditioning, charging up
the
batteries for all our various communication devices - maybe we
should ban
mobile phones instead :~)

Ban air conditioning before banning anything else.

No, no, ban all unneccessary aircraft flights!

Alan

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
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| Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association

Look, for someone who puts that in your signature, you are woefully
ingorant about electricity technology.

He doesn't say what level he achieved, but if he was an officer I could
understnd his ignorance of the subject!

Alan



I look forward to receiving your explanation as to how electricity,
generated and which is surplus to requirements at say 3.00pm, can be
'stored' to use when the kettles go on at 5.00pm.

Over to you :-))

Mike

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