On Apr 12, 7:29 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 12/4/07 19:09, in article , "Stewart Robert



Hinsley" wrote:
In message , Sacha
writes
,snip

Griselinia is certainly very salt tolerant, as is tamarisk but I don't think
I'd think of them as trees, myself. Eucalypts might fit the bill and don't
mind soggy. I've seen Cupressus macrocarpa grown quite close to the sea but
as we've just seen one blown down and one cut down today from the
churchyard, I don't know that they'd be considered safe for very windy
locations, too.

Eucalypts are fairly notorious for blowing over - I seem to recall a
saying on the lines of the bigger the stake the bigger the eucalyptus
when it's blown over. But there many different types of eucalyptus.

You're right - they do blow over easily and I should have thought of that.
This one's a bit of a problem! I'm beginning to think that a sculpture of
a tree might be easier! ;-)

Thank you Sacha and Stewart for your suggestions.
You may well have a point about the statue... the area is really
battered by winds and storms. It does have some sheltered little
areas, though, where some short trees do grow.
I have done a little research on the matter, and would rather go with
native tree/big shrubs than some fancy exotic thing, which will just
look wrong in the area.
I have thought of things like mountain ash, maybe holly, maybe black
or white thorn? I have seen the former two in some areas near the
site where the tree will eventually stand (let's hope), but I'm not
absolutely sure about the latter, and intend to check it out in coming
weeks.
I also quite like the fact that many of those native trees have quite
a baggage of interesting celtic myths and piseogs (I'm no gaelic
scholar, but my understanding of that word is "superstitions").

Anyway, any rugged and windy seaside gardening expert's advice would
be most appreciated.

Thanks again!

Cat(h)

In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Apr 12, 7:29 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 12/4/07 19:09, in article , "Stewart Robert



Hinsley" wrote:
In message , Sacha
writes
,snip

Griselinia is certainly very salt tolerant, as is tamarisk but I
don't think
I'd think of them as trees, myself. Eucalypts might fit the bill
and don't
mind soggy. I've seen Cupressus macrocarpa grown quite close to
the sea but
as we've just seen one blown down and one cut down today from the
churchyard, I don't know that they'd be considered safe for very windy
locations, too.

Eucalypts are fairly notorious for blowing over - I seem to recall a
saying on the lines of the bigger the stake the bigger the eucalyptus
when it's blown over. But there many different types of eucalyptus.

You're right - they do blow over easily and I should have thought of that.
This one's a bit of a problem! I'm beginning to think that a sculpture of
a tree might be easier! ;-)

Thank you Sacha and Stewart for your suggestions.
You may well have a point about the statue... the area is really
battered by winds and storms. It does have some sheltered little
areas, though, where some short trees do grow.
I have done a little research on the matter, and would rather go with
native tree/big shrubs than some fancy exotic thing, which will just
look wrong in the area.
I have thought of things like mountain ash, maybe holly, maybe black
or white thorn? I have seen the former two in some areas near the
site where the tree will eventually stand (let's hope), but I'm not
absolutely sure about the latter, and intend to check it out in coming
weeks.
I also quite like the fact that many of those native trees have quite
a baggage of interesting celtic myths and piseogs (I'm no gaelic
scholar, but my understanding of that word is "superstitions").

Anyway, any rugged and windy seaside gardening expert's advice would
be most appreciated.

Thanks again!

Cat(h)

Hawthorn (is that what you mean by whitethorn?) will get sculpted by the
prevailing salt-laden winds in your location.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| Hawthorn (is that what you mean by whitethorn?) will get sculpted by the
| prevailing salt-laden winds in your location.

Yes, whitethorn is hawthorn. It isn't common in such conditions
in the wild, so I suspect that it doesn't love them. Blackthorn
(sloe) is almost happy with gale-driven salt spray, but isn't
really a tree, and isn't even a large shrub under those conditions!


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On Apr 12, 9:48 pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes

On Apr 12, 7:29 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 12/4/07 19:09, in article , "Stewart Robert

Hinsley" wrote:
In message , Sacha
writes
,snip

Griselinia is certainly very salt tolerant, as is tamarisk but I
don't think
I'd think of them as trees, myself. Eucalypts might fit the bill
and don't
mind soggy. I've seen Cupressus macrocarpa grown quite close to
the sea but
as we've just seen one blown down and one cut down today from the
churchyard, I don't know that they'd be considered safe for very windy
locations, too.

Eucalypts are fairly notorious for blowing over - I seem to recall a
saying on the lines of the bigger the stake the bigger the eucalyptus
when it's blown over. But there many different types of eucalyptus.

You're right - they do blow over easily and I should have thought of that.
This one's a bit of a problem! I'm beginning to think that a sculpture of
a tree might be easier! ;-)

Thank you Sacha and Stewart for your suggestions.
You may well have a point about the statue... the area is really
battered by winds and storms. It does have some sheltered little
areas, though, where some short trees do grow.
I have done a little research on the matter, and would rather go with
native tree/big shrubs than some fancy exotic thing, which will just
look wrong in the area.
I have thought of things like mountain ash, maybe holly, maybe black
or white thorn? I have seen the former two in some areas near the
site where the tree will eventually stand (let's hope), but I'm not
absolutely sure about the latter, and intend to check it out in coming
weeks.
I also quite like the fact that many of those native trees have quite
a baggage of interesting celtic myths and piseogs (I'm no gaelic
scholar, but my understanding of that word is "superstitions").

Anyway, any rugged and windy seaside gardening expert's advice would
be most appreciated.

Thanks again!

Cat(h)

Hawthorn (is that what you mean by whitethorn?) will get sculpted by the
prevailing salt-laden winds in your location.
--

Yes, whitethorn is hawthorn. And even the moss is sculpted by the
prevailing salt-laden winds in this location :-)

This is a willow (I think) a couple of miles away, and it's pretty
upright by local standards.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3zbu6ua

Cat(h)

On 12/4/07 23:24, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:

snip

This is a willow (I think) a couple of miles away, and it's pretty
upright by local standards.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3zbu6ua

Cat(h)

Instead of a tree which might well give up the struggle, is a seat a
possibility - a bench where people who also enjoy that place and its views
would remember the person to be commemorated?
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)

On Apr 13, 12:02 am, Sacha wrote:
On 12/4/07 23:24, in article
. com, "Cat(h)"

wrote:

snip



This is a willow (I think) a couple of miles away, and it's pretty
upright by local standards.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3zbu6ua

Cat(h)

Instead of a tree which might well give up the struggle, is a seat a
possibility - a bench where people who also enjoy that place and its views
would remember the person to be commemorated?
--

That is not my call, and the people concerned are keen on something
living. As I said before, certain things *do* grow there, and given a
little shelter belt or such, I think it is not beyond possible. It
may sound like a lot of bother, but it is worth trying, as it is very
important to the people concerned.
Thank you Sacha, and all, for your kind suggestions!

Cat(h)

In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes
On Apr 13, 12:02 am, Sacha wrote:
On 12/4/07 23:24, in article
. com, "Cat(h)"

wrote:

snip



This is a willow (I think) a couple of miles away, and it's pretty
upright by local standards.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3zbu6ua

Cat(h)

Instead of a tree which might well give up the struggle, is a seat a
possibility - a bench where people who also enjoy that place and its views
would remember the person to be commemorated?
--

That is not my call, and the people concerned are keen on something
living. As I said before, certain things *do* grow there, and given a
little shelter belt or such, I think it is not beyond possible. It
may sound like a lot of bother, but it is worth trying, as it is very
important to the people concerned.
Thank you Sacha, and all, for your kind suggestions!

Cat(h)

If you could give us some more details on the site, such as how far from
the coast it is, what direction the sea is from the site, whether it's
on a headland or a bay, etc. All this will make a difference; 10 feet
from the high tide line, on a headland in the teeth of westerly gales,
is different from 50 feet back from the coast, in a sheltered
east-facing location.

In some locations very little, if anything, in the way of trees will
survive; in others you could possibly even grown palms (Trachycarpus)
and pseudo-palms (Cordyline).
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Apr 13, 1:31 pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes



On Apr 13, 12:02 am, Sacha wrote:
On 12/4/07 23:24, in article
. com, "Cat(h)"

wrote:

snip

This is a willow (I think) a couple of miles away, and it's pretty
upright by local standards.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=3zbu6ua

Cat(h)

Instead of a tree which might well give up the struggle, is a seat a
possibility - a bench where people who also enjoy that place and its views
would remember the person to be commemorated?
--

That is not my call, and the people concerned are keen on something
living. As I said before, certain things *do* grow there, and given a
little shelter belt or such, I think it is not beyond possible. It
may sound like a lot of bother, but it is worth trying, as it is very
important to the people concerned.
Thank you Sacha, and all, for your kind suggestions!

Cat(h)

If you could give us some more details on the site, such as how far from
the coast it is, what direction the sea is from the site, whether it's
on a headland or a bay, etc. All this will make a difference; 10 feet
from the high tide line, on a headland in the teeth of westerly gales,
is different from 50 feet back from the coast, in a sheltered
east-facing location.

In some locations very little, if anything, in the way of trees will
survive; in others you could possibly even grown palms (Trachycarpus)
and pseudo-palms (Cordyline).
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Fair point.
I'd say it's about 500 metres from the coast as the crow flies. It's
on the side of a little valley which opens out to a bay and is
(roughly) W/NW facing. The sea is to its West. I couldn't venture a
guess as to its altitude, but it is only a few metres up from ground
zero (sea level).
As the locality goes, it is more sheltered than many other areas, but
it can get battered in not infrequent storms.
The site is sloping, and there are a number of little fields around
it, many with hedgerows mostly made up of willow, fuschia and
brambles.
One side of the site is such a hedgerow, kind of dug into a ditch, and
which is relatively high at maybe 4 to 5 m, and this and the rest of
the topography *does* provide some shelter. The site has a newly
built house on it, and there are a number of houses around.
I'm not pessimistic of giving a potential tree (or to quote you large
bush) a feasible home there - I am just wondering what tree will meet
the challenge, while being attractive and preferably native.
I hope this helps. Thank you for your thoughts !

Cat(h)