http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....e=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

He is a fairly cautious troll, since he has a university account
) and they are often more responsible than commercial
ISPs. However, he still manages to post a great deal of abuse to both
regulars and advertisers on this newsgroup. He specialises in telling
lies about what people have done or said in the past, in the hope that
they will rise to the bait and post corrections.

He is still emailing wanna****s to female regulars. If you are a female
and get such an email, you are advised to inform him you do not want to
hear further from him. Keep a copy of your message. Then, when he
refuses to take a hint, you will have grounds to complain about him to
his provider.

A complaint has been made to his provider about him posting private
email to the newsgroup, but it is not yet known whether they will take
action against him.

"Mary" wrote in message
news
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....e=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

He is a fairly cautious troll, since he has a university account
) and they are often more responsible than commercial
ISPs. However, he still manages to post a great deal of abuse to both
regulars and advertisers on this newsgroup. He specialises in telling
lies about what people have done or said in the past, in the hope that
they will rise to the bait and post corrections.

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people think is
a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

He is still emailing to female regulars. If you are a female
and get such an email, you are advised to inform him you do not want to
hear further from him.

Or simply ignore it. Block that sender.

A complaint has been made to his provider about him posting private
email to the newsgroup, but it is not yet known whether they will take
action against him.

Has Alan J Holmes posted here?

Mary
Fisher, of that ilk

On 29/8/07 21:22, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these
words:
"Mary" wrote in message
news
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....46b893f29f25?d
mode=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

I'm lost, Anne. Do you mean you think it's a member of this group hiding
behind a sock puppet but persecuting Alan?
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

"Anne Jackson" wrote in message
...
The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these
words:
"Mary" wrote in message
news
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....e=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

Anne, so do I. And I know that Alan's name is taken in vain.

But not everyone does know, I suspect, and someone has to point out that the
real Alan Holmes is one of us.

Whatever that means :-)

Mary

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

"Mary" wrote in message
news
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....e=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

He is a fairly cautious troll, since he has a university account
) and they are often more responsible than commercial
ISPs. However, he still manages to post a great deal of abuse to both
regulars and advertisers on this newsgroup. He specialises in telling
lies about what people have done or said in the past, in the hope that
they will rise to the bait and post corrections.

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people think
is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

He is still emailing to female regulars. If you are a female
and get such an email, you are advised to inform him you do not want to
hear further from him.

Or simply ignore it. Block that sender.

A complaint has been made to his provider about him posting private
email to the newsgroup, but it is not yet known whether they will take
action against him.

Has Alan J Holmes posted here?

Not that I can remember, but you know how bad my memory is!(:-)


Mary
Fisher, of that ilk

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 29/8/07 21:22, in article ,
"Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these
words:
"Mary" wrote in message
news http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....46b893f29f25?d
mode=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

I'm lost, Anne. Do you mean you think it's a member of this group hiding
behind a sock puppet but persecuting Alan?

Somehow I doubt that it is someone on this newsgroup.

On Aug 29, 9:32 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Anne Jackson" wrote in message

...





The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these
words:
"Mary" wrote in message
news http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....sg/aba846b893f...

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

Anne, so do I. And I know that Alan's name is taken in vain.

But not everyone does know, I suspect, and someone has to point out that the
real Alan Holmes is one of us.

Whatever that means :-)

Mary- Hide quoted text -

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I've met him and his wife, he is adorable and believe me, he is very
much a gardener.

Judith

On 29/8/07 22:09, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from Sacha contains these
words:
On 29/8/07 21:22, "Anne Jackson" wrote:
The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these
words:
"Mary" wrote:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....a846b893f29f25
?d
mode=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

I'm lost, Anne. Do you mean you think it's a member of this group hiding
behind a sock puppet but persecuting Alan?

I don't know, Sacha, but I think it's questionable, to say the least, when
someone posts from an anonymous address to make accusations against one of
our regular posters...who's the troll, in this case?

Good question. Just what we need - another troublemaker. Any ideas? We
have some serious computer experts here so perhaps they can track it down.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 29/8/07 22:47, in article
,
" wrote:

On Aug 29, 9:32 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Anne Jackson" wrote in message

...





The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these
words:
"Mary" wrote in message
news http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....sg/aba846b893f...

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

Anne, so do I. And I know that Alan's name is taken in vain.

But not everyone does know, I suspect, and someone has to point out that the
real Alan Holmes is one of us.

Whatever that means :-)

Mary- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've met him and his wife, he is adorable and believe me, he is very
much a gardener.

I'll second that. He came to the first meet I held which was at my old
house. I think you had the caravan then, Alan, and Kay and family camped on
the lawn while Cormaic and co. slept in the house. Some past and present
urglers were at that one - it was a lot of fun, as was the next, held here.
I really must try to organise my time next year and see if we can do another
one....

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
says...
On 29/8/07 22:09, in article , "Anne
snip

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

I'm lost, Anne. Do you mean you think it's a member of this group hiding
behind a sock puppet but persecuting Alan?

I don't know, Sacha, but I think it's questionable, to say the least, when
someone posts from an anonymous address to make accusations against one of
our regular posters...who's the troll, in this case?

Good question. Just what we need - another troublemaker. Any ideas? We
have some serious computer experts here so perhaps they can track it down.

Both Alan and Holmes are reasonably common names. I have twice in my life found
myself sharing a doctors surgery list with someone who has the same first name
and surname as me. Alan J Holmes appears to be posting genuinly from brunel
university and it is difficult to imagine getting such an account unless you
were a student or member of staff there.

Gill M
--

addy gill[at]pcservicesreading[dot]co[dot]uk

On 29 Aug, 22:22, "Alan Holmes" wrote:
Somehow I doubt that it is someone on this newsgroup.- Hide quoted text -

OHHh... please Alan. Once in your life, and since I've known you in
Demon Local in the mid 90s, would you please tell everybody who is
doing this to you, why and how long it has been?! It is ridiculous and
futile now to pretend you don't know. Go on Alan, tell us why you keep
saying you've killfiled me, 'la puke', tell them that it's nothing
remotely associated with urg, but in fact it is associated with over
15 years ago in Demon Local.

There's some hypocrites on usenet, all shapes and sizes in fact, but
I'd give you the gold medal for it, I would. You have no shame in
insulting me, out the blue and without any escuses, and you do this
knowing who I am after so many years. And please don't you start
blaming your memory because I've concluded long ago that it's a
conscience you need, not a doctor.

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:00:13 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote:


"Mary" wrote in message
news
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....e=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

He is a fairly cautious troll, since he has a university account
) and they are often more responsible than commercial
ISPs. However, he still manages to post a great deal of abuse to both
regulars and advertisers on this newsgroup. He specialises in telling
lies about what people have done or said in the past, in the hope that
they will rise to the bait and post corrections.

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes,

The Alan J Holmes mentioned above and the Alan Holmes that posts here
are the same person.

who several people think is a troll, is not.

Wrong. He is a troll and a pervert. Just look up his posts on Google.

Has Alan J Holmes posted here?

Yes.

On 30 Aug, 08:42, Gill Matthews Try the wrote:
Both Alan and Holmes are reasonably common names.

Where's Sherlock when you need him ... ;o)

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...

"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

"Mary" wrote in message
news
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....e=source&hl=en

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

He is a fairly cautious troll, since he has a university account
) and they are often more responsible than commercial
ISPs. However, he still manages to post a great deal of abuse to both
regulars and advertisers on this newsgroup. He specialises in telling
lies about what people have done or said in the past, in the hope that
they will rise to the bait and post corrections.

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people think
is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

He is still emailing to female regulars. If you are a female
and get such an email, you are advised to inform him you do not want to
hear further from him.

I can only hope that all the ladies I am posting indecent emails to, do not
say so in this newsgroup!(:-)

"Sacha" wrote in message
. uk...
On 29/8/07 22:47, in article
,
" wrote:

On Aug 29, 9:32 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Anne Jackson" wrote in message

...





The message from "Mary Fisher" contains
these
words:
"Mary" wrote in message
news http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....sg/aba846b893f...

4. Who is trolling here?

b. Alan J Holmes

I've never heard of Alan J Holmes. Alan Holmes, who several people
think is a troll, is not. It's a pity if his name is taken in vain.

Don't you find it just a little ironic, Mary, that someone posting
from an anonymous address should make such an accusation?

I certainly do...

Anne, so do I. And I know that Alan's name is taken in vain.

But not everyone does know, I suspect, and someone has to point out that
the
real Alan Holmes is one of us.

Whatever that means :-)

Mary- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've met him and his wife, he is adorable and believe me, he is very
much a gardener.

I'll second that. He came to the first meet I held which was at my old
house. I think you had the caravan then, Alan, and Kay and family camped
on
the lawn while Cormaic and co. slept in the house. Some past and present
urglers were at that one - it was a lot of fun, as was the next, held
here.
I really must try to organise my time next year and see if we can do
another
one....

I'd love to come to another meet, but unfortuately I've had to get rid of
the caravan, and would hiave to find a room in a house somewhere.