On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Judith

In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day
one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted
cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant
dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all
wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the
cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a
difference.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 26/3/08 11:51, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day
one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted
cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant
dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all
wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the
cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a
difference.

You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria
hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 11:51, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 26/3/08 13:27, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
snip

That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.

Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this
year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down
in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it
seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so
different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Mar 26, 12:29 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 11:51, in article ,



"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith

in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day
one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted
cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant
dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all
wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the
cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a
difference.

You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria
hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one.

--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Charlie's green thumb is legendary!!!! Mine is improving bit by bit
each year but I am not in the class or anywhere near it of the
majority of posters here.

Judith

On 26/3/08 15:29, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Mar 26, 12:29 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 11:51, in article ,
snip

You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria
hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one.


Charlie's green thumb is legendary!!!! Mine is improving bit by bit
each year but I am not in the class or anywhere near it of the
majority of posters here.

Judith

I sometimes think mine is a deep Black and then I have a success and cheer
up again!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Judith in France wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?
No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Hi Judith,

Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of
the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown
over!

Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year
Calvados
before bed...

I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery
Davis" wrote:

snip

I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip



I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

On 26/3/08 10:54, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip



I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They
all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the
ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Mar 26, 11:49 am, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 10:54, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip

I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They
all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the
ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc?

Judith

On 26/3/08 15:25, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Mar 26, 11:49 am, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 10:54, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip

I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave
them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They
all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the
ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc?

Judith

Up to the individual but I should think ours is about 5'.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'